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Enjoy your editing and please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! Ragestorm (talk) 21:42, November 6, 2015 (UTC)

Gregor killed Oberyn and therefore by law "won" the decision of the duel. Oberyn managed to get revenge beyond the grave by poisoning the blade of his spear, though.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:27, November 27, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, I know - hard to accept, though. I'm watching the series for the first time, and I'm using my user page as a "checklist" I can go back to for reference later. I might contribute to the wiki itself once I'm done. --CrappyScrap (talk) 02:25, November 27, 2015 (UTC)


Hello. You've made 50 edits on this wiki since November...almost all of them devoted to a private checklist you keep on your userpage. The userpage is perk for people actively contributing. This is sort of abusing the privilege, and I'm locking your userpage to encourage you to make some other contributions - I know the userpage is a great "sandbox" for learning how wiki-code works and stuff, but please keep it proportionate to the article contributions you make.

Ah, I'll unlock your userpage and just leave it as a warning.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:15, April 26, 2016 (UTC)

Also don't use the mini-shield icons with metal borders anymore; just use the same ones that the main "pointy" ones from their infoboxes.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:17, April 26, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, I completely understand and I'll see where I can contribute. Thanks for being so polite too, I've been slapped down with no warning for doing the same thing elsewhere. I am a fan of the series, so contributing won't be hard. Best, --CrappyScrap (talk) 23:17, April 26, 2016 (UTC)
Like the Dragon said, the shields with the metal borders are being phased out, and will be deleted eventually. You should probably switch to using the new ones, otherwise your userpage will end up in a bit of a mess! :-D Xanderen signature.png 08:20, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice. The reason I've kept them so far is that we're lacking a "pointy" one for the wildlings. I would make one myself, but I don't know how to make parts of an image transparent...
I'm impressed with how polite users seem to be on this wiki, btw! --CrappyScrap (talk) 08:27, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
Hey CrappyScrap, for your convenience, please use the shields from the "main-shield" group instead of the "shield-icon" group.
The shield-icon shields are slowly being phased out except for personal sigels for people such as Blackfish and some of the Targaryens. The shield-icon group also has the symbols such as the maester's chain, Iron Bank, which will be kept in use.
Regards. Ser Shield McShield (talk) 22:04, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
Well geez, I was warned against focusing more on my userpage than on the community, but now my userpage seems to have attracted community interest :P Btw, your username is almost (but only almost) as hilarious as mine ^^ --CrappyScrap (talk) 00:16, May 7, 2016 (UTC)

Your last edit of the battle of Castle Black

Wrong. Grenn, Pypar, and Donnel Hill survive the battle. Read the book and see for yourself.

It can be mentioned in the In the books section, but shouldn't compromise the continuity of the show. --CrappyScrap (talk) 15:22, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
You edited the "in the books" section, CP. :-D Xanderen signature.png 15:58, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
Jesus, I'm an idiot xD My sincerest apologies, I didn't notice there were two "Aftermath" sections :P --CrappyScrap (talk) 19:07, May 6, 2016 (UTC)

X-D Don't be down on yourself, it was an easy mistake to make. :-) - Xanderen signature.png 21:33, May 6, 2016 (UTC)

Free Folk shield

Excellent work! - Xanderen signature.png 12:28, May 8, 2016 (UTC)

A pleasure :) --CrappyScrap (talk) 12:42, May 8, 2016 (UTC)

Heraldry on the wiki

Remove the fanart heraldry you just uploaded for Blackmont, Jordayne, Yronwood, and Manwoody. These are not close approximations of the versions used within the TV show itself (particularly the Blackmont one).

You were already warned but you're really abusing the privilege of having a userpage; it isn't a private blog, and effort put into it is effort that could have been put into articles. I have blanked and locked your userpage. Please refocus on contributions to the overall wiki.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:13, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

Screw it: remove all the above heraldry you added and I'll restore your userpage if you promise to spread out your work better onto main articles.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:57, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

First of all, I don't know how to delete photos; don't you need to be an administrator to remove anything? Second, no harm intended, I did my best and hoped someone with better editing skills would eventually come around and change them (I saw them as bad imitations, not fanart - and we were lacking sigils for those houses, right?). Third, look at my contributions and tell me again that I'm using this wikia as a private blog. I was warned, and I heeded the warning.
We started off nicely, and I don't see why you're being so pissy all of a sudden. It's not like I've caused any intentional harm. --CrappyScrap (talk) 07:17, May 11, 2016 (UTC)

(sigh) sorry it's been a busy day. I'm restoring your userpage.

It makes more work for me to have to take the images out of the pages you added them to and I want you to handle that. This is easier to do if I don't delete the image files so you can click on them and check the "what links here" section, then I delete them.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:03, May 11, 2016 (UTC)

I only used them in Nymeria's War, so they're good for deletion now if they must indeed be deleted. I would never upload fanart, which I completely understand is not wanted here, and I honestly had the best of intentions uploading these images. Your reaction made it seem like I had vandalized the wiki, which I would never do.
I'm starting to get the hang of this, and it's really unpleasant to have other users breathing down my neck (especially considering the nice start). I promise to familiarize myself with the rules to avoid making similar mistakes in the future, and yes, I have no problem pledging to contribute to the wiki overall. Could you promise to assume good intentions if I happen to screw up again? --CrappyScrap (talk) 15:45, May 11, 2016 (UTC)


Could you do me a favor and switch the shields you use on your own page from the shield-icon to main-shield? As I mentioned before, I am attempting to get all the shields to reference the same file so if the shield changes, it automatically updates all of the pages that use that file. House Dayne's shield is a great example of this - the sigil and shade of purple are still up in the air but once we get more clarification from the show (hopefully tomorrow!), we can finalize it.

Anyway, I want the same thing to happen with your user page as well so if you could make the switch, I would very much appreciate it.

Regards Ser Shield McShield (talk) 21:08, May 14, 2016 (UTC)

If you're talking about the Dornish ones, I think they're facing deletion pretty soon anyway, as they're inaccurate. --CrappyScrap (talk) 21:24, May 14, 2016 (UTC)
I'm not talking about the Dornish ones - I'm talking about the shields you used in "Westerosi wars and conflicts". The shields reference file names that end in Shield-Icon.PNG. If you could switch those so they end in Main-Shield.PNG instead, that would be a huge help.
The files that end in Shield-Icon.PNG will be phased out in the near future. Ser Shield McShield (talk) 21:44, May 14, 2016 (UTC)
Ah, got it - just fixed it. I noticed Aegon II's sigil is lacking, but other than that, everything's intact. I've been warned numerous times against focusing too much on my userpage, so it's funny when some users come along and request I make changes to it :P You're not the first either ^^
While you're here - are any of the Dornish sigils I uploaded salvageable? I copied most of them from http://awoiaf.westeros.org (in good faith, of course), not knowing the policy in regards to accuracy. I'm fine with having my darlings deleted, but not so much with a bunch of houses being left sigil-less :P --CrappyScrap (talk) 22:20, May 14, 2016 (UTC)

You just asked me to delete them all.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:02, May 14, 2016 (UTC)

I did the same thing when I first started here - uploading shields from other sites. And I couldn't figure out how to delete them either. Haha. Anyway, thanks for making the change and the Aegon II's sigil is fine. The goal is to get to just one version of each shield and we don't need a bigger version of it. Ser Shield McShield (talk) 23:48, May 14, 2016 (UTC)

Oh shoot, just realized I misunderstood completely - I thought there was a renaming process going on, so I uploaded a duplicate of the Aegon II shield with a different name. How do I delete it? Jesus, this is really not my day :P --CrappyScrap (talk) 13:36, May 15, 2016 (UTC)
I don't know how to delete it but I see that the category "Candidates for deletion" was added to it. Hopefully, Dragon or one of the other admins will delete it in the near future. Ser Shield McShield (talk) 19:53, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

House Glover

Awesome work on the House Glover shield, I couldn't have done better myself! Could you possibly make the fist a bit bigger? No worries if not. - Xanderen signature.png 15:11, June 13, 2016 (UTC)

I'm flattered :3 I'm on my way out right now, but I'll see what I can do tonight. I'll see if I can do some improvements on it too - I did this one in a hurry. Best, --CrappyScrap (talk) 15:31, June 13, 2016 (UTC)
It's almost perfect... I hope you won't be offended, but would you mind if I made a few tiny alterations? It would still be recognizably your work. - Xanderen signature.png 11:33, June 22, 2016 (UTC)
Why would I be offended? Haha, you're too polite :) --CrappyScrap (talk) 12:38, June 22, 2016 (UTC)
Well, I do try. Check it out, nothing too drastic. - Xanderen signature.png 12:43, June 22, 2016 (UTC)
Good job! --CrappyScrap (talk) 12:46, June 22, 2016 (UTC)

War of the Five Kings

There has not been a formal decision yet. There has not been a vote, and I don't know why you think we "don't vote". As of right now, we're including the conflicts in the War of the Five Kings. For what it's worth, I agree that they should be divided... but like I said, there hasn't been a formal decision yet. And the last formal decision was that it would all be included within the War of the Five Kings. It's vandalism otherwise. Can you please stop removing things then? You're not even updating the article to reflect your changes in the infobox. It's counter-productive and not producing any results other than this edit war.

People who view the wiki will be looking for the latest information on the latest conflicts. If we do agree that they should be divided, then we should first create the separate articles before taking things out. Otherwise, it could confuse readers. Reddyredcp (talk) 13:23, July 2, 2016 (UTC)

I don't believe Wikia is a democracy. If it was, and we did make decisions simply by voting, it would not take a genius to make new users to tip the scale. I believe the wiki is governed by consensus, which is achieved through discussion, not voting.
Yes, there has not been a formal decision yet, but many have expressed support of my views, and a formal decision depends on the counterpart participating in the discussion. If users revert and use the discussion page (or send a message, like you just did), that's one thing. But I see many users are simply putting a lid on it, effectively preventing changes.
Lastly, I see no formal decision that makes the Faith Militant, House Targaryen, Dorne etc. combatants. The discussion has mainly centered on the conflict between the Starks and the Boltons. The Faith Militant and the Targaryens need to be kept out, as their presence in the infobox is either misleading or factually wrong. For the record, the Targaryens have not even landed yet. --CrappyScrapHouse-Dayne-Main-Shield.PNG 13:59, July 2, 2016 (UTC)

Rhaenyra sigil

I'm really sorry but we've already agreed not to create our own heraldry for Rhaenyra, as the Velaryon sigil has yet to appear in canon - the show's version won't necessarily be the same as the one from AWoIaF. - Xanderen signature.png 15:25, July 24, 2016 (UTC)

I based it on a file no other than The Dragon Demands uploaded. When was this decision made? Is he aware of it? --CrappyScrapHouse-Dayne-Main-Shield.PNG 15:27, July 24, 2016 (UTC)
Are you talking about his userbox? That's a different matter, as it doesn't affect any articles. - Xanderen signature.png 15:30, July 24, 2016 (UTC)
Since it was on the wikia and part of a userbox template, I assumed I was free to use it elsewhere. But no worries if it has to be deleted - I'll revert my edits and store it on my computer in case it can be reuploaded in the future (although I'd love to see you and The Dragon fist fight over it first ^^). No offense taken. Does Aegon II's shield appear anywhere, though? --CrappyScrapHouse-Dayne-Main-Shield.PNG 15:35, July 24, 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, it's in the "Dance of Dragons" animated featurette, they just oddly never put Rhaenyra's in. - Xanderen signature.png 15:39, July 24, 2016 (UTC)
Well, that's annoying, isn't it? :P I've removed it from the articles now, so feel free to delete it - I'll just reupload it if it ever appears, the old gods and the new willing. --CrappyScrapHouse-Dayne-Main-Shield.PNG 15:43, July 24, 2016 (UTC)

Ping: "Sigil of Astapor"

Methinks I've got a good hunch on what the sigil is and its significance.

[ Speedit ] ♜ [ contribs ] 14:32, August 31, 2016 (UTC)

Blackfyre Rebellion article

You haven't provided any source for adding other houses besides Targs and Blackfyres. And Aegor Rivers was never a lord.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 14:38, September 6, 2016 (UTC)

I thought it was fine to supplement articles about historical events with information from the books? Plus I didn't add Aegor Rivers. --CrappyScrapCrappyScrap-Shield.PNG 14:45, September 6, 2016 (UTC)
Stuff from the book should be limited to the "in the books" section. But not the infoboxes.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 05:48, September 7, 2016 (UTC)
Gotcha. --CrappyScrapCrappyScrap-Shield.PNG 12:44, September 7, 2016 (UTC)


But House Stark is not a royal family! By the extension of Jon being King this makes House Targaryen a royal family.

House Stark was a Royal family during King Robb Stark's reign but once he died so did the royalty (believeably by people in the Westeros) until Rickon who was believed to be last heir was killed, Bran is also believed to be dead. This would only make Sansa Stark a Princess/Queen and not Bran or Arya who by their storylines would most certainly disinherit that title (Arya more so than Bran).

Also Bran or Sansa/Arya would have to be crowned King or Queen for there to be princes and princesses. 

Also House Baratheon was no longer deemed a royal family after the death of Tommen.

Ramsay (talk) Sworn to Night King 19:05, October 12, 2016 (UTC)

Jon was made king on the basis that "Ned Stark's blood runs through him". If House Stark is not the royal family of the North, I don't know who is. And House Baratheon is no longer a royal family because House Lannister now holds that position. Best, --CrappyScrapCrappyScrap-Shield.PNG 23:16, October 12, 2016 (UTC)

Image Policy First Warning

I noticed recently you have uploaded an image to the Wiki, however you forgot to add critical information to this file. We must adhere to a strict image policy on Game of Thrones Wiki, due in part to our relationship with HBO. All images must be titled with a name that pertains to the image itself. Images must be tagged with the proper image categories, and have either a "fairuse" or "HBOImage" license added. More information can be found HERE on our Image Policy and Guidelines page. This will serve as a first warning. Only 3 warnings will be given, and after that, a block of 2 weeks will be applied to your account. Continuing to ignore this policy, even after your 2 week block has expired, can bring a term of infinite blocking to your account. If you are unsure how to properly follow these guidelines, feel free to message an admin or bureaucrat. Thank you for understanding.

I've recently noticed you are not properly adhering to our image policy. That can be seen on images like THIS. You've been here quite some time and by now you should know our policy when it comes to images. QueenBuffy35px-Pink crown.png 19:32, November 19, 2016 (UTC)
What did I do wrong? I think the title is appropriate, and I did add a license. In all fairness, while I didn't add a description or a source link, that's the case with most images on this wiki. I'll take note, but I don't think that should merit a warning.--CrappyScrapCrappyScrap-Shield.PNG 20:21, November 19, 2016 (UTC)
Images must be categorized. Go look at the image again and scroll all the way down, you will see where I added the Image category. The only reason I added the first warning is just a friendly reminder, nothing more. You've been editing here awhile, so if it isn't being done by now, a warning should be in order. That's all. QueenBuffy35px-Pink crown.png 20:24, November 19, 2016 (UTC)
The warning template is not particularly "friendly", but gotcha - I'll make sure to remember from now on. Cheers! --CrappyScrapCrappyScrap-Shield.PNG 21:37, November 19, 2016 (UTC)

House Dayne - Shade of Purple

Can you review and respond to the "Correct Shade of Purple" I started on the talk page for House-Dayne-Main-Shield.PNG?

I hate to say it but I think the shade you picked is incorrect. Quickly - I don't think the shade you picked exists in nature.

Regards Ser Shield McShield (talk) 20:18, November 21, 2016 (UTC)


Hey, can you politely check your OCD? It is making you change the shade of Dayne template so it's different than the one on coat of arms. I used the same hex number for all 3 versions so they would be exactly the same only to have you come behind me and change just one. Leave these be or I'm going to restrict them from further changes. Both of us have spent enough time on the color already. Plus, the actual design still needs to be finalized since the show has used multiple versions.

Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!

Regards Ser Shield McShield (talk) 22:59, November 23, 2016 (UTC)

I know work is piling up, McShield, we've got to keep at it to review everything.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:10, November 24, 2016 (UTC)

Really? The shade was slightly different on my screen, so I took a screenshot, zoomed in and used a html picker so the background and the square would have identical shades. Maybe it's just my screen, maybe the shade changes just slightly when the colors are compressed, I don't know. My comment was meant as humorous (I don't actually have OCD, thank god!), and I certainly intended no harm, let alone to go behind your back. You're absolutely right we've spent enough time on this, and I can see why this got on your nerves. I can promise you there's no file on this wiki that needs protection from me. Best, --CrappyScrapCrappyScrap-Shield.PNG 02:33, November 24, 2016 (UTC)

House Stark in Battle of the Bastards?

House Stark also took no part in the battle, only Sansa was a sole Stark here, and all she did was ride with a horse in late battle. Jon Snow is not a part of House Stark, at the point in battle he is arguably a part of Free Folk (as quoted by Ramsay), but then again he wears neither colors nor outfit of Free Folk or that of House Stark but still however Night's Watch armor. 

Understand this that House Stark also had no actual war units.

Regardless if you change this to House Stark for Jon Snow, what's gonna happen when he is revealed a Targ to the world of Westeros? Would his alliance be changed from House Stark to House Targaryen in Battle of the Bastards. That seems like the most obvious point, although it hasn't been acknowledged as to why people still treat him as a Stark when he clearly isn't. The character even said so himself "I'll never be a Stark".

Ramsay Sworn to Night King 19:35, December 10, 2016 (UTC)

They were Stark bannermen, and joined Jon and Sansa's cause on that ground. Lyanna Mormont specifically said she had House Mormont participate out of loyalty to House Stark.
Jon wears Stark clothes that Sansa made for him, and handed over his black cloak before he left Castle Black. I have no clue why you think he's part of the Free Folk. Either way, regardless of Jon's identity issues, he fought for House Stark, and so did those who joined him. Let's not make this more complicated than it is. --CrappyScrapCrappyScrap-Shield.PNG 19:45, December 10, 2016 (UTC)

You didn't answer my question Ramsay Sworn to Night King 19:53, December 10, 2016 (UTC)

What's going to happen when Jon is revealed to be a Targaryen? You tell me. This battle was not about Jon's identity, beyond the fact that he has Stark blood. As far as anyone sans Bran knows, he's still a bastard. --CrappyScrapCrappyScrap-Shield.PNG 19:55, December 10, 2016 (UTC)

Exactly and Bastards are not allowed to wear house armor and use standard house banner, they got them inverted instead or if that isn't the case they opt to not use the house banner or wear house armor due to their bastard status.

P.S. if Jon Snow is a Stark to you, why didn't you put Stark flags in front of his name on your profile notable duels? Leaving it blank even suggests itself that you believe he is a bastard. Ramsay Sworn to Night King 20:00, December 10, 2016 (UTC)

I might add a Targaryen sigil in the future, but we'll see - so far everyone thinks he's a bastard, and it wouldn't make much sense at the moment. As for the battle, Jon did indeed wear Stark armor, and as previously mentioned, the Northern houses backed him out of loyalty to House Stark. In any case, they didn't just fight for Jon, but Sansa and Rickon also. It's unambigious that this was a battle to restore House Stark, and I can't say I get why you insist otherwise. --CrappyScrapCrappyScrap-Shield.PNG 23:37, December 10, 2016 (UTC)

Velaryon and Dayne

I appreciate the vote of confidence in my artwork, but we're still discussing whether to use my design or opt for a different one. You can join in the conversation on the talk-page for House Velaryon, but please don't go around adding it to articles before we've decided anything. Also - I will respond in full to your message regarding the Dayne sigil when I've more time, but in short - the field color needs to resemble the canon artwork as closely as possible. We can't just change it to what we think looks coolest, anymore than we can change the color of the Arryn sigil to sky blue (as it is in the book). - Xanderen signature.png 10:30, December 16, 2016 (UTC)

Gotcha - my apologies for not paying attention. The sigil looks excellent imo, and it would be a shame if it had to be deleted. As for the Dayne sigil, my main point is that the colors in older Histories & Lore episodes tended to be pretty bright, and I don't think the sigil was meant to be pink. Take your time though, there's no rush. Cheers! --CrappyScrapCrappyScrap-Shield.PNG 11:15, December 16, 2016 (UTC)

Regarding your user page charts, just FYI, you got the last words of Edd and Jorah wrong. Using closed-captioning showed that their respective final words were: "Oh, God. Sam." & "I'm hurt." Please update your user page to reflect this revelation.--Swathingkhan (talk) 17:41, May 31, 2019 (UTC) Swathingkhan

Done, thanks for the advice! (I love how my userpage gets so much attention :3) --CrappyScrap (talk) 09:22, June 5, 2019 (UTC)
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