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    Well, second episodes have a history of being major. Episode 2 of Season 4 saw Joffrey killed, the most satisfying TV death until Ramsay two seasons later. Episode 2 of Season 6 saw a.) Bran's return, b.) The unexpected death of Roose Bolton, c.) The long-awaited death of Ramsay Bolton, and d.) Jon Snow's resurrection.

    Well, this episode had quite a few points.

    First, Daenerys and Jon Snow are forming an alliance. This will be essential in defeating both Cersei and the Night King for sure.

    Second, Arya reunites with Nymeria, her wolf (if only for a minute), who hasn't been seen since early Season 1.

    Third, the OTHER Nymeria, the Sand Snake, gets killed by Euron, along with Obara, leaving only Tyene of the Sand Snakes, who along with Ellaria and Yara is captured. (Mixed feelings of course - we don't like them, but they were fighting for Daenerys at the time. Euron is definitely the third most major villain of the season after Cersei and the Night King)

    So, what are your thoughts?

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    • I think Theon's character had a big turning point during epsiode 2 of season 7. I feel like the chaos and the fear in the battle triggered him back to being "Reek." He had been trying to redeem himself since his escape from Winterfell and return to his sister. This is the second time he has betrayed Yara (the first being when she attempted to rescue him from Ramsey and he wouldn't go with her). If Yara survives her capture, I don't think she would ever allow Theon to return home. 

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    • Oh, and I almost forgot - Ellaria is in love with Yara now. I guess Ellaria's like her previous lover, Oberyn

      And, Sam is performing a procedure on Jorah for his greyscale - will it work?

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    • KillRoy231 wrote:

      And, Sam is performing a procedure on Jorah for his greyscale - will it work?

      I think it will work. But my theory is Sam will get kicked out of the Citadel for it since the procedure is banned. 

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    • You can find the ingredients for Sam's ointment here:

      702 Props Book 01

      Page from Sam's medical book from S07E02.

      In short, it's just bees wax, pine resin, elder bark and olive oil. IMO, that's just skin treatment, not a cure.
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    • Do we know what causes greyscale? It could just be skin infection that can be treated by paste. Afterall, it's only contagious if you touch it and the one maester said that Jorah should have just cut off his arm to prevent it from spreading in the first place. Of course, if it does eventually go to the mind...it may be more than just a skin infection. 

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    • We were led to believe that powdered dragonglass could be the cure, so this ointment is a bit of a disappointment. But it turnes out that elderberry tree bark has medicinal properties (I didn't know that when I wrote the comment), so maybe that's the magical ingredient.

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    • Manders87 wrote:
      KillRoy231 wrote:
      And, Sam is performing a procedure on Jorah for his greyscale - will it work?
      I think it will work. But my theory is Sam will get kicked out of the Citadel for it since the procedure is banned. 


      Agreeing on both points; Sam has to get back to the North if his stolen Valerian steel sword is going to come into play.

      Other observations: Euron must have had some loyalist spys among Yara's crew.  His intelligence was just too good.

      On the deck of a sailing ship, long weapons like Obara's spear, and Nymeria's whip, are awful.  It's too easy to get a long weapon blocked by a mast, boom, railing or rigging.  There's a reason why sailors and pirates used cutlasses.  They were at a disadvantage.

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    • Good point. How else could he have found the Dornish ships IN THE DARK?

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    • I feel a long post coming on…

      The intelligence failure on Yara’s part, and on the part of the entire Targaryen alliance, is enormous.  Yara knew that Euron was out there, somewhere.  Reconnaissance may be a duty that’s beneath a queen, but Daenerys is the only dragon pilot in the alliance.  (Maybe they can recruit a warg or two, with birds, via Jon.)  No recon, and Yara sailed without any idea where Euron might be.

      Good intelligence (turncoats?) told Euron the time and general direction of Yara’s departure.  Once they got close enough, they would have been able to see the deck lanterns on Yara’s ships.  Closer still; those lanterns would have made good aiming marks for Euron’s ballistae.  Those lanterns are a good example of bad operational security.  More on that later.

      First: Ser Jaimie is right about the Ironborn.  They are a small people, who are only good at stealing what they cannot build or grow.  Euron could not have built a thousand ship navy; he hadn’t the wood or linen, or the men to steal enough to build those ships.  Nor could the Iron Islands provide the crew for a fleet of warships that size.  (N.B.: The U.S. Navy currently has about 430 ships.)

      We have either dramatic license on the part of G.R.R.M. / HBO, or puffery and exaggeration on Euron’s part.  I’ll go with the latter.

      The Ironborn are a small people: pirates and thugs.  Racketeers; organized crime lords.  Their ships, weapons and tactics are good for attacking fishing boats, unarmed merchant ships, and undefended shore villages.  (Their limited and temporary success in the North was due to the North’s defenders' absence during the war.)  Picture pirates in small motor launches taking on merchant shipping off the coast of Somalia, and you’ve got the Ironborn.  Yara’s Ironborn, anyway: good for attacking civilians, not so good fighting even a small professional navy.

      Euron has learned what it takes to win against an adversary who can fight back.  Silence, and at least some of his other ships, have rams and boarding ramps.  His ships have powerful ballistae.  He’s built his fleet to take on an armed adversary.  He approached Yara’s well-lit fleet with no lights of his own.  That's good OpSec.  He had good intelligence.

      The size of his fleet is puffery; his victory was due to the weakness of his opponent  Had Yara known that Euron was in Blackwater Bay, or taken the simple precaution of running a dark convoy, Euron might never have found her.  Yara was still thinking like a pirate.  Madman or not, Euron has learned how to think like an Admiral.

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    • Yara may not have been thinking Euron had been able to get that many ships to pose a threat on the water...just a thought.

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    • Manders87 wrote: I think it will work. But my theory is Sam will get kicked out of the Citadel for it since the procedure is banned. 

      Thinking about it - Sams purpose has to be to learn as much as he can while in the citadel - he hasn't gotten there yet. There is so much more for Sam to learn in order to help Jon fight and defeat the Others - he just can't leave yet.

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    • Well, Jorah recovered, we now know the dangers that makes the treatment forbidden, which didn't occur here, so Sam was neither rewarded nor punished, and for the moment is staying at the Citadel.

      And, third episode, we lost two more recurring characters.

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