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  • The rulers of Dragonstone was given the title "Prince/Princess of Dragonstone" under the Targaryen reign; the land and title was granted to the heir to the Ironthrone. After House Baratheon became the royal family the rulers of Dragonstone were given the title "Lord of Dragonstone". Should Princess/Lady of Dragonstone be listed among Daenerys titles? There's precendence for this in the books (awoiaf) and in the trailers for s7. *currently she'd still be a claimant*

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    • She superseded it. Daenerys actually was called "Princess of Dragonstone" when Illyrio introduced her in episode 1, if you recall. Albeit in exile.

      The problem is that when Viserys died, she became Queen (in exile).

      Basically, is Queen Elizabeth II of England still "Princess of Wales", after ascending the throne?

      Well, it's really the title used for "the heir to the throne". And she has no current heirs.

      Or if she just feels like calling herself that in Season 7, we'll introduce that again.

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    • The Dragon Demands wrote: She superseded it. Daenerys actually was called "Princess of Dragonstone" when Illyrio introduced her in episode 1, if you recall. Albeit in exile.

      The problem is that when Viserys died, she became Queen (in exile).

      Basically, is Queen Elizabeth II of England still "Princess of Wales", after ascending the throne?

      Well, it's really the title used for "the heir to the throne". And she has no current heirs.

      Or if she just feels like calling herself that in Season 7, we'll introduce that again.

      Thanks for replying. Now I have a better understanding.

      I wonder if she's going to style herself as Lady of Dragonstone, like Robb styled himself LoW after he became king, when dealing with the monarchs/lords of westeros - In truth, that will be the only land to her name until she conquers more.

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    • The point of Dragonstone is to protect the heir until their ascension to the Throne thus the title "Prince/Princess". 

      When Stannis took the castle he was Lord of Dragonstone because he wasnt the heir. 

      With no heirs to the throne and Daenerys be the only Targaryen her title is Lady as she is not and heir.

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    • Mattman15 wrote: The point of Dragonstone is to protect the heir until their ascension to the Throne thus the title "Prince/Princess". 

      When Stannis took the castle he was Lord of Dragonstone because he wasnt the heir. 

      With no heirs to the throne and Daenerys be the only Targaryen her title is Lady as she is not and heir.

      Techinically speaking , Stannis was actually the heir , until Joffery was born.

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    • That is why Stannis was given Dragonstone, and Renly Storm's end?

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    • Utkar22 wrote: That is why Stannis was given Dragonstone, and Renly Storm's end?

      It is slightly more complicated then that. Dragonstone was a castle surrounded by notable Loyalists to the Targaryens- the Velaryons , the Celtigars and etc. Robert needed a man's strenght to rule there , not a boy , who could easily be deposed. Robert was paranoid of a Targaryen invasion , and thus his actions reflected it. It was also given to signfy Stannis's postion as the heir , until Joffery was born , of course. Stannis didn't take it that way though. Dragonstone commanded few lords and was situated in a desolute rock in the sea , and by right , when Robert became king , in his eyes, Storm's End should have been his. He viewed it as an insult given to him unfairly after he had failed to capture Viserys and Danearys. Robert thought he was doing Stannis a favour , by giving him the more "prestigious" castle, but Stannis thought otherwise. As GRRM says -"Stannis always resented being given Dragonstone while Renly got Storm's End, and took that as a slight... but it's not necessarily true that Robert meant it that way. The Targaryen heir apparent had always been titled Prince of Dragonstone. By making Stannis the Lord of Dragonstone, Robert affirmed his brother's status as heir (which he was, until Joff's birth a few years later). Robert could just as lawfully retained both castles for his sons, and made Joffrey the Prince of Dragonstone and Tommen the Lord of Storm's End. Giving them to his brothers instead was another instance of his great, but rather careless, generosity."

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    • Sorry to necropost but I feel this is more or less significant: I read Fire & Blood and according to the book, Maegor the Cruel was Prince of Dragonstone when he wasn't the heir; although it was a nickname at first because he stayed at Dragonstone so much (and acted as its ruler), he seems to have adopted it as a title over time. Aegon the Uncrowned (Aenys's heir) wasn't Prince of Dragonstone until circa 4 years into his father's reign, but he was the heir for the entire duration of said reign.

      From this I gather that "Prince of Dragonstone" isn't the Targaryen equivalent for crown prince, but is just usually given to the crown prince to season him for ruling. Fire & Blood states that the heir is *named* Prince of Dragonstone, not born into the title.

      It's strange if a monarch who rules Dragonstone would refer to themself as Lord/Lady of Dragonstone and not Prince/Princess of Dragonstone, when IRL monarchs prefer higher titles such as Duke/Duchess or Prince/Princess in relation to lands and holdings. (see the overabundant titles of Emperor Nicholas II)

      It can of course be argued that since Fire & Blood is a companion to the books, not the show, it is irrelevant. However, I'm having difficulty finding any TV source that clears up how the "Prince of Dragonstone" title works. Since these are words directly from the pen of the creator of the Game of Thrones universe, in my opinion this has more weight than the TV show's inordinate ambiguity.

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    • It became equivalent to Crown Prince after Maegor's time...or rather, like being called "Prince of Wales" for the heir to the British crown.

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