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  • Do you think they ran off together and were in love with each other or do you think that it was what Robert said it was: a kidnapping and a rape?

    I choose to believe that it was love though they weren't married.

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    • I want to believe it was love. However, the nature of game of thrones is rooted in violence and for that reason I say it was a kidnapping and a rape. Rape was pretty common back then I would think and women above all else loved their children. I think we saw the love lyanna had for her child in the tower of joy but I don't think it was reflective of her feeling for Rhaegar. Remember she told Ned "I tried to be brave" I think she was trying to be brave while she waited to be rescued.

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    • 137.200.32.54 wrote:
      I want to believe it was love. However, the nature of game of thrones is rooted in violence and for that reason I say it was a kidnapping and a rape. Rape was pretty common back then I would think and women above all else loved their children. I think we saw the love lyanna had for her child in the tower of joy but I don't think it was reflective of her feeling for Rhaegar. Remember she told Ned "I tried to be brave" I think she was trying to be brave while she waited to be rescued.


      I think the whole "I want to be brave" line was her talking about being brave in the face of death, and not refering to her "kidnapping". You have to remeber; the only person that thinks poorly of Rheagar is Robert, and Robert was obsessed with Lyanna, and it's clear she didn't love him. He thought that Lyanna would NEVER challenge him, but Ned points out that he never really knew her.

      Hell, even Ned doesn't think poorly of Rhaegar, you'd think that he'd hate the man that raped his sister. And in terms of the story being rooted violence, their love sent tens of thusands to their deaths, so there was plenty of violence. It's like Romeo and Juliet: two lovers that can't be together. Also, Rhaegar's last word was "Lyanna", it's pretty clear that he loved her, I doubt he would say her name with his last breath if he didn't care about her. In the end, there's not much evedence that shows Rhaegar raped Lyanna, and there is evedence that he was in love with her, and she was in love with him.

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    • Prince Rhaegar might have been a charming person, as described in the books, but he was ultimately very stupid or uncalculated. Whether it was love or kidnapping, both of them chose wrong, especially Rhaegar. His entire dynasty was destroyed, his immediate family (excluding only Daenerys and Viserys) slaughtered, his children butchered and countless lives lost during the Rebellion, just because he wanted Lyanna Stark. If he even had a shred of honour or common sense, he wouldn't have ran off with/kidnapped the bethrothed of a powerful lord. The entire realm, from the Wall to Dorne, had to suffer because he couldn't keep it in his pants. He probably would've been a good king, but instead chose to act on his instincts. So, whether it was rape or love, it was a idiotic decision.

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    • 79.143.165.138 wrote:
      Prince Rhaegar might have been a charming person, as described in the books, but he was ultimately very stupid or uncalculated. Whether it was love or kidnapping, both of them chose wrong, especially Rhaegar. His entire dynasty was destroyed, his immediate family (excluding only Daenerys and Viserys) slaughtered, his children butchered and countless lives lost during the Rebellion, just because he wanted Lyanna Stark. If he even had a shred of honour or common sense, he wouldn't have ran off with/kidnapped the bethrothed of a powerful lord. The entire realm, from the Wall to Dorne, had to suffer because he couldn't keep it in his pants. He probably would've been a good king, but instead chose to act on his instincts. So, whether it was rape or love, it was a idiotic decision.


      Could Rhaegar plan for Brandon being an idoit when he went to the Red Keep and yelled for Rhaegar to "come out and die!"? I mean, Rhaegar could have planed things out a little better, no doubt about that, but his actions shouldn't have started a war. If Brandon had a bit of intelligence in his head, he would have waited, and not commit such a rash action. It was the Mad King that really started the war, not Rhaegar.

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    • Well, Brandon's reaction was kind-of predictable, he was a person who acted without giving a thought for consequences. Rhaegar running off with/kidnapping Lyanna was the action that started the whole mess, he ran off with the daugther of a powerful lord who was coincidentally bethrothed to another powerful lord. Even if she went willingly, it was a slight for Houses Stark and Baratheon and it could not have been thrown under the rug, they had to do something about it. Yes, it was stupid of Brandon to ride into the Red Keep and yell for Rhaegar to come out and die, but it was even more stupid of Rhaegar to give him the incentive to do so. Robert's Rebellion started when Aerys demanded Ned's and Robert's heads from Jon Arryn, but that would not have happened if Rhaegar thought things through in the first place. ┬áThe kidnapping (or not kidnapping ) of Lyanna Stark planted the seeds for the war that followed.

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    • 79.143.165.138 wrote:
      Well, Brandon's reaction was kind-of predictable, he was a person who acted without giving a thought for consequences. Rhaegar running off with/kidnapping Lyanna was the action that started the whole mess, he ran off with the daugther of a powerful lord who was coincidentally bethrothed to another powerful lord. Even if she went willingly, it was a slight for Houses Stark and Baratheon and it could not have been thrown under the rug, they had to do something about it. Yes, it was stupid of Brandon to ride into the Red Keep and yell for Rhaegar to come out and die, but it was even more stupid of Rhaegar to give him the incentive to do so. Robert's Rebellion started when Aerys demanded Ned's and Robert's heads from Jon Arryn, but that would not have happened if Rhaegar thought things through in the first place.  The kidnapping (or not kidnapping ) of Lyanna Stark planted the seeds for the war that followed.


      I agree with that, but I doubt Rhaegar thought that Bradon was THAT stupid. I mean, sure he was head-strong, but what he did was down right idiotic.

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