Bastards as Septons/Septas
"It is not known if a bastard may become a Septon/Septa." I would disagree about that. Tyene Sand, one of Oberyn Martells bastarddaughters, is a septa! Shouldn't that be changed in the article? --Exodianecross (talk) 13:19, November 7, 2014 (UTC)
A question, should we point out that female bastards have a more difficult status than the male ones? Not just because Westeros is a androcentristic society in which even trueborn daughters of the nobility have less rights than the sons, it's also the point that a male bastard can become a men-at-arms and receive knighthood while women don't have the chance to rise in that way. The only female bastards that were introduced in the show till now are Ellaria Sand and the older Sand Snakes, but the dornish culture has a very relaxed point of view on bastards than the rest of Westeros. The books had a few more bastards that showed other female characters with the "stigma" of being baseborn and how they have to spend their life! --Exodianecross (talk) 15:57, November 18, 2015 (UTC)
- ...I don't think we can really draw any conclusions about female bastards being that different, other than that women in general are second class citizens in Westeros. I mean, Mya Stone was a prominent bastard in the Vale. Jaime also seems to think well of Joy Hill, his bastard cousin. That's really more of a women in general thing. Also, remember that the Faith of the Seven has a gender-blind clergy: bastard daughters can be sent off to become septas, even rise through the ranks to positions of relative power.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:11, November 19, 2015 (UTC)
- I understand. But after I red about several female bastards, this let me thought that they are a very special class of people! Male bastards can become knights, rise, become even member of the "Kingsguard" and sometimes the Lord Commander! They have the chance to create their own noble house. In contrast the baseborn women like Mya Stone or Falia Flowers are just servants in the novels, female bastards could become Septas but there are no more opportunities. The way of a warrior woman seems also unusual, with the few exceptions that exist in Westeros for this special kind of warrior. Maybe I try to write this in the article, you can check it and decide to keep it or to delete Dragon! --Exodianecross (talk) 02:28, November 19, 2015 (UTC)
Passed as a bastard
I'm just saying, while Rheagar and Lyanna are confirmed to be Jon's parents, we have no confirmation that they were married, untill stated otherwise, I think Jon should be listed as a bastard of House Stark AND House Targaryen
Seriously, do we need a spoiler about Jon Snow at the beginning of an article about bastardy? How unnecessary; putting that in the photo caption adds nothing to the article.
New Martell Bastard Image
Should we use this new sigil for the Sand Snakes?
Where has it gone? Go here for image.
- We're not using bastard shields anymore, unless they appear in the show. - 16:49, December 11, 2016 (UTC)
A Bastard's Surname in Westeros:
Questions. Isn't is a more common Custom in Westeros that a Bastard's Surname mainly depends on where the noble-born bastard was raised and lived and/or claimed/decided by the noble parent? Shouldn't the Bastards' birthplace be the secondary factor for naming, if raised and claimed factors are available?
How about taking a number of bastards' name references for that? e.g.
Born in Dorne, raised in North and/or claimed or decided by a Northerner, hence the name is Snow instead of Sand;
Born in Reach, raised in Dorne and/or claimed by a Dornish, hence name is Sand instead of Flowers;
Born in Reach, raised in Stormland (but not claimed there), hence name is Storm instead of Flowers, etc etc.
I know there are few exceptions to this, but where do most of the cases occur?
To add, the 'Bastardy' page on the GoT wikia says exactly the oppisite, although I couldn't find any reference note and/or explanation with examples for that after those statements on that page.
At least one noble parent
Given the case of Daemon Blackfyre (knowns as waters before being legitimzed) was able to have a bastard surname without his father openly acknowledged him (since his noble mother raised him he was called Daemon Waters at the time), shouldn't the same thing apply in the context of Cersei's children in that subsection? It implies because Jaime would/could not acknowledge them they would have the legal status of baseborn (despite the fact we can confirm at least their mother was a noble) shouldn't that section be editted to fit more in logic with GOT history? Blechmaster (talk) 02:40, April 23, 2019 (UTC)