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Hey everyone. I just thought it'd be a good idea to finally tackle the whole Telltale situation that has been up in the air for a while now.

Since its release, the Game of Thrones Wiki has housed content for the Game of Thrones Telltale video game, including characters, episodes, events, and more. All of this content can also be found on a separate wiki, solely dedicated to the Telltale series. For a while now, there have been discussions regarding the removal of all pages relating to the video game on this wiki, and I believe now in the off-season is the perfect time to come to a consensus. Should we continue to house Telltale content, or should it be removed?

To ensure that the decision we reach is the correct course of action, as much input from the community as possible would be appreciated. Thank-you. — Darth Dracarys (talk) 16:14, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

I've been slightly on the fence about this in the past, but all things being equal I think I'm in favour of deletion. There needs to be a clean break, however... Articles, images, templates, categories... It would all need to go, without leaving a mess of redlinks and broken redirects behind. It might be quite an undertaking. - 16:56, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Definitely an undertaking, but one I'm sure we're more than capable of should we decide to go down that path. — Darth Dracarys (talk) 05:39, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

If there's a separate wiki that is currently active, I don't think we need to have Telltale-related information here. I'm all for its removal.

Edit: The Telltale GOT wiki appears to have only 1 active editor, meaning that it's in risk of being deleted by Fandom. I'm not so sure now. --Potsk (talk) 13:54, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

That's a good point Potsk, although I confess I'm not really sure about what the rules are regarding that. Another option to consider would be simply unlinking all the video game stuff from our TV articles. - 14:27, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

This is a great option I hadn't considered. — Darth Dracarys (talk) 14:38, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

If we do proceed with deletion we should keep an article on the game itself, just as we have articles on Ascent, Conquest, and the 2012 X-Box game. - 15:12, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I prefer this option. Additionally, like AWOIAF, have all character names and events etc. turned into redirects to the main article on the game. --Potsk (talk) 19:39, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

My vote is for deletion with just the article on the game itself as Xanderen suggested. I think Potsk's suggestion would be a huge amount of work for non-canon info so what is the payoff to doing all the work for updating these links (vs. just removing the links)? Ser Shield McShield (talk) 23:12, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

I think Potsk is referring to the search bar, so that if someone searches for Gregor Forrester they will be redirected to the article on the game. All links would presumably be removed from all our other articles. Additionally, I'm going to propose that we keep this discussion open for a week or so in order to get as much feedback from the community as possible. After this time we can proceed with a formal vote. Sound good? - 07:46, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

They would all be individually deleted anyway (if I'm understanding how it works), so how would it be any extra work to instead replace the info on them with "#REDIRECT Game of Thrones: A Telltale Games Series"? --Potsk (talk) 10:20, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

I also think we should delete it, since it is not canon. As Xanderen suggested, I agree to keep the article of the game with redirection in the search bar.

How about offering to Jakest123 to copy the material from this wikipedia to the TTGoT wikipedia, before the deletion? Moonracer (talk) 10:23, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Hey, everyone. This topic seems like it could go very awry very quickly, hence I am unsure that a logistic suggestion from me would be helpful. However, I would like to offer my opinion as to why I believe we should have a distant approach to Telltale, due to the Wiki's policy of "show-related content". The video game has little to no input from HBO, aside from HBO allowing Telltalle to secure the license during negotiations. The only substantial link is that Ty Corey Franck (GRRM's PA) serves as the game's consultant. Considering how HBO has diverged from ASOIAF, Telltalle from HBO and ASOIAF from Telltalle, I believe the most distant approach may be the wisest.

This is just my opinion, do not let it influence your decision significantly based solely on my opinion, especially due to my lack of solution provided. Thanks ABCXYZ12345678 - 2nd Account (talk) 23:54, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

ABC - Want as much input from the community as possible, so your comments are very welcome.

Potsk - You are correct that the deletion would have to be done by hand, unless we were to ask FANDOM to program a bot... I confess this is beyond me though.

Is everyone comfortable proceeding to a vote? Or should we give it another seven days? I don't mind either way. - 08:03, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm happy to put it to a vote, unless someone thinks there's something important we haven't touched on yet. — Darth Dracarys (talk) 08:46, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

I would just like to ask, are these pages causing any issue by being present on the wiki? --  Reverb frost   14:14, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

The problem is the ongoing maintenance of these pages. Things change over time such as the whole Fandom switching over their software, which caused some broken links and other formatting issues everywhere that had to be fixed. Add to it that since the info is from games that only a few admins have played, most of the admins have to fix things they have no direct knowledge about. So there is a time suck keeping these Telltale pages fully functional. But for me, the real deciding factor is that the Telltale game is non-canon so why bother keeping it if we don't keep any other non-canon sources on this wiki? Ser Shield McShield (talk) 21:24, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Is everyone comfortable with proceeding with a formal vote today? It will be open for two weeks. The way I see it, there are three options open to us: Keep everything as is (no deletion), Delete everything except the article on the game itself, and delete everything but turn all the deleted articles into redirects to the game article. Does anyone have anything else to add to this? - 10:02, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

I think we're set to go ahead with the vote. — Darth Dracarys (talk) 17:28, 15 May 2021 (UTC)'

I agree with POTSK and others: it should at least be de-linked and removed from main pages. Should we keep specific articles on game-only content? Separate question...if the separate wiki devoted to it is small and in danger of deletion, we might as well just keep the separate articles archived and de-linked from everything else. --The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:20, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Okay, that's a fourth option. - 08:58, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Formal vote on the future of Telltale content

Option 2. - Keep articles, but de-link from show content

1. --The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:05, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Option 3. - Delete everything except the game article

1. Moonracer (talk) 13:20, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
2. Darth Dracarys (talk) 05:59, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
3. Ser Shield McShield (talk) 21:45, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
4. ABCXYZ12345678 - 2nd Account (talk) 02:31, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
5. Potsk (talk) 14:36, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Option 4. - Turn all articles into redirects

1. Potsk (talk) 11:04, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Comments

The vote is now open, and will run for 14 days (unless there are objections). I've included the four options discussed above... Is everyone happy with them, and is everyone clear on what the options are? Additionally, I'm going to propose that this vote be open only to those with 50+ article edits, as is the case on Wookieepedia. This will ensure a fair vote, and can be used as a precedent going forward. Does that sound reasonable? - 08:58, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

It is now more than 14 days. Did enough people vote? If so, what's next? Ser Shield McShield (talk) 22:54, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

It's been about nine months since this vote last year. Perhaps we should revote on the matter (hopefully with a slightly bigger turnout) and go from there. — Darth Dracarys (talk) 02:26, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Might as well keep the content we already have, just "archived" - who knows if Telltale or the creative team will ever make a second season? And they actually got a half dozen cast members from the show itself to work on it. Failing that, at least keep an article on the game itself.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:55, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Formal vote on the future of Telltale content (2022)

Option 1. - Keep everything as is

1. - Godzillavkk (Godzillavkk) - 11:38:55 pm, 15 Febuary 2022 (utc)

Option 2. - Keep articles, but de-link from show content

1. — The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:54, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Option 3. - Delete everything except the game article

1. — Darth Dracarys (talk) 02:29, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
2. --Potsk (talk) 03:32, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
3. — Moonracer (talk) 11:29, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
4. — JakeHopkins98 (talk) 19:57, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
5. - Ser Shield McShield (talk) 22:01, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
6. - 20:40, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Comments

This vote is to gauge the community's perspective on the future of Telltale related content on the wiki. All conditions from the previous vote are applicable here. — Darth Dracarys (talk) 02:26, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

I'd like to add that the video game's canonicity to the show is definitely brought to question by Roose's line "You'll always be my firstborn". The video game establishes that Ramsay is the secondborn like in the books. --Potsk (talk) 13:25, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

The content's not going anywhere, it's not worth throwing it out, and there will be more non-canon video games in the future. Might as well just put it on hold.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:55, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

The issue I have with the Telltale content is its lack of canonicity, as well as the determinant nature of its narrative. I feel like we should follow the example set with the first non-canon Game of Thrones video game and simply house an article for the game, but not for any content within it, i.e. characters, events, etc. If there were to be a future Game of Thrones or House of the Dragon video game that makes it clear that it is canon within the showverse, I definitely think the characters within would deserve articles on the wiki, but I don't believe the Telltale game falls under this category. — Darth Dracarys (talk) 02:34, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

After 14 days, the results are almost a reflection of the first formal vote, indicating that the majority wish to proceed with the removal of Telltale content from the wiki, housing only an article for the game itself. Thank-you all for your input, it is greatly appreciated. We will proceed with the removal in the coming days. — Darth Dracarys (talk) 07:17, 1 March 2022 (UTC)