So a lot of people are saying that the battle with The Night King was over too quick and that it was a bit of an anticlimax for all the seasons of building to it. But what if, and if someone has already said this then ignore me, but what if the prophecy of The Long Night was always about a figurative long night? One night. Maybe the show and GRRM have been telling us about the final battle all this time
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I just had a vision of how it will all end in Game of Thrones. Before we go, I would remind you this could be a huge spoiler. If you want to be a surprised freefolk, don't read it !
Game of Thrones Ending
Bran made a deal with Night King to spare his family’s lives by turning them into living White Walkers. He used his power to warg the Viserion from the Night King, only for a moment of time to save human alliance. And he used his last breath of the power to travel back in time to warn his dad before his life gave up. Those words were just like wind blows in Ned's ears. Before Ned was beheaded, he whispered to his god (his own son_Bran in the future), who nightly came to visit and told him the vision of the future, to save his family before his head dropped.
Jon Snow became a White Walker, hunting down Arya after turning Sansa into one and leading the way for the army of White Walking to the heart of the capital, King’s Landing. Arya managed to escape and get back to Braavos to be No One this time for sure.
Melisandre begged for mercy from Night King and was killed by Jon Snow.
Jaime lost the battle in the North and was turned into a White Walker, marching southwards to King's Landing with Night King. They stormed into the Throne room and found Cersei sitting on the Iron Thrones. Jaime slapped Cersei out of the chair. The Mountain interfered and then shove his blade through Jaime's heart. But it didn’t kill Jaime and he used his Ice Sword pierced through Mountain’s armor like silk, which killed The Frankenstein instantly. Grand Maester Pycelle rushed out and weeped on his work. Cersei pleaded with poor soulless Jaime and screamed out viciously. He approached and held the sword up high before giving a fatal blow. She’s so afraid and stepped back. Stumbling and falling on the stairs to the Iron Thrones. He inserted his sword mercilessly through Cersei’s heart while she lied down on the stairs. Blood spilled and the crown was fell off her head. Jaime fetch the crown and put in on the Nigh King’s head. Night King officially wins the game and sits on the Iron Thrones, with Jaime by his side. And this time the Kingslayer cannot backstab the Night King like he used to do as he is one of them, a White Walker.
All citizens of Westeros tremble in fear and dream of the spring ! Now they are common people, no class, no discrimination. People are all equal, suffering the same fate, sharing in the same shelter.
5. Daenerys stays hidden in a small village to take shelter from seemingly endless snowstorm with Jorah and they welcomes a new born child of Daenerys and Jon Snow. Tyrion and Varys are no longer Daenerys’s councilors but good friends in this small family. Tyrion designs children toys for her baby and Varys tells bed time story. She looks out of the window, into the whiteness of the storm thinking of her dragons. They are now Night King’s children, flying over the King’s Landing as sentries fending off any forces to overthrow The Undead Empire.
6. Sam lives happily with Gilly in Citadel, and continues his learning as a real Maester.
7. Gendry and Davos are now like father and son, working as message delivery guys from one province to the next, as raven cannot fly in the storm.
8. Little Finger is not dead and lives his life somewhere down South near Highgarden, reopening his brothel busines and plotting his plan to rule over the South.
9. Bronn owns a castle like every other guys, Brienne, Tormund, Podrick, the Hound. They share the same roof, again, to shelter from the storm. It's not like what he actually wants, his own castle.
There was a time they all nourish a plan for killing White Walkers, to wait for this terrible storm to be over and gather forces to strike back. Many years have passed, the storm is still raging day and night like a curse of Mad God. Their mind for rebellion subsides. This is their way of life now. Nothing is going to change it. Not to say in the capital, The Dark Force is holding their Jon and Jaime. How can they turn to fight against their love ones ? How can Daenerys kill the father of her child ? How can Brienne confront Jaime, the true Kingsguard and the one she admired so much?
Westeros is in forever Winter. The winter is meant to stay and never leaves. God knows how it end until the chosen one will change it ? But untill then people still live happily as a big family !!
Hope that I am wrong so you won't be spoiled this way. And give your comment below if you got better vision than I did.
So Season 7 finale revealed that Rhaegar and Lyanna truly loved each other, and Robert's Rebellion was built on a lie. But why would they want everybody, especially Robert (whom Lyanna was bethrothed to), think that Lyanna was kidnapped and raped. And when Lyanna was dying during childbirth, she told her brother Ned to keep Robert from knowing about Aegon's birth or else he'd be killed by Robert for being both a product of rape (even though he wasn't) and of Targaryen descent, so Ned pretended it was his bastard son Jon Snow. So why create this lie that led to Robert's Rebellion and got Rhaegar killed by Robert himself? And Lyanna's death was childbirth which was not caused by rape and didn't have to do with the lie that started the rebellion as much as Rhaegar's death. So why go through all that trouble by lying? Or were they unable to see such consequences of doing so?
When you think about it, he's the one who set the events of the show in motion. Aside from the White Walkers, the Wildlings, and outside of Daenerys's story, he is kinda behind all the biggest villains of the series (though their actions were completely their own, his actions just put them in their antagonistic positions).
It all started when he had Lysa poison Jon Arryn, which caused Robert to meet with Ned and make him Hand of the King. Which in turn caused two events to occur: First, with Cersei and Jaime at Winterfell, Bran discovered their secret and Jaime almost killed him, twice, to which Littlefinger framed Tyrion by saying the assassin's dagger was his. Second, he and Lysa framed the Lannisters for poisoning Arryn so that Ned thought Cersei killed him to cover up her relationship with Jaime.
This, of course, led to Ned discovering that Joffrey was Jaime and Cersei's bastard, and not Robert's son. Once Ned confronted her with this and said he'd tell Robert, I can't remember but I think this caused Cersei to get Robert killed on his hunt, causing Joffrey to become king. All this led to Joffrey having Ned killed (likely Littlefinger's goal here seeing as how he was infatuated with Catelyn), which in turn started the War of the Five Kings. For starters, once Stannis knew of Joffrey's true parentage he realized he had legal claim to the throne and planned to take it, enlisting Melisandre's help to which she twisted him to the dark side.
And of course, once Joffrey became king and killed Ned, he became Robb's main enemy, causing Theon to seek Balon's help but instead Balon persuaded him to fight the Starks, causing him to take over Winterfell and do many bad things there. (For this reason I consider Theon a main villain of Season 2, and Balon a Bigger Bad) Not only did Roose Bolton have Ramsay capture Theon, but soon after Robb and Catelyn were killed at the Red Wedding after Robb broke part of his deal with Walder Frey during a failed attempt to form an alliance with him against Joffrey. Roose betrayed and killed Robb. Of course, Littlefinger probably didn't intend Catelyn killed, but that's what happens when you orchestrate chaos. Ultimately, both Theon and Robb's stories in the war led to Roose taking over Winterfell, becoming one of the powerful antagonists of the show.
Then, Littlefinger had Olenna poison Joffrey. We were all satisfied with this, but we're sure he didn't do it out of the goodness of his heart. Soon after he killed Dontos, who helped him with this, reminding us of his ruthlessness. We're not sure if he intended Tyrion to be blamed for Joffrey's death (after all, Olenna had her own reasons to go along with his plan) but as he tried to frame him once before it must have been satisfying to him all the same, and definitely took suspicion off him. Thus, set Tywin after Tyrion for the whole season, though it ended with Tywin's death and Tyrion joining Daenerys.
And of course, with Joffrey's death Tommen became king, and I can't remember but I think it was Cersei losing control over Tommen due to Margaery that caused her to put the High Sparrow in a position of power, with him replacing Tywin as the most powerful villain in King's Landing for two seasons. Eventually ending with Cersei blowing up the High Sparrow and his gang along with Margaery and many others, causing Tommen to commit suicide and Cersei to become queen.
Meanwhile, while Roose ruled over Winterfell, Ramsay is equally considered the villain of Season 5 not only because he is more evil than his father and has more screentime, but also his torture of Sansa, and by the way Littlefinger's the one who set her up with him. Also Roose is Stannis's main enemy in Season 5, causing Stannis and Melisandre to sacrifice Shireen in a vain attempt to beat him. And eventually Ramsay kills Roose and usurps both House Bolton and Winterfell from him, becoming Jon's main enemy in Season 6. There is of course the flipside that Littlefinger is instrumental in Ramsay's defeat, but again, for his own reasons.
Following the deaths of Ramsay and the High Sparrow, as of Season 7 the biggest villains left are Cersei and the Night King. But Littlefinger plays his own personal antagonistic role by trying to play Sansa and Arya against each other, with the endgame being for Sansa to kill Arya for trying to kill her to take over Winterfell. But, for once he is outwitted, and the sneakiest villain of the show finally meets his downfall.
So, while he might not have been directly involved in a lot of the stuff that happened later, or specifically intended much of it, his assassination of Jon Arryn knocked over a domino and started a chain reaction. Right now Cersei being queen is the last remnant of that chain reaction, which outlived him.
Not sure where to post this but seems the best place. Irish radio station Newstalk interviewd GoT armourer Boyd Rankin earlier this week, managed to track down a podcast of it which I thought some people might like to hear: podcast link. The interview is called "The Armourer From The Game Of Thrones" and is currently near the top of the page, but the page seems to update frequently enough so keep scrolling if its not there when you go looking, more keep appearing on the page as you go down. Its from 12th September
What new videos do you think we'll get? There isn't much, considering the shorter season and narrative
This is my speculation
Highgarden: Olenna narrates the history of the castle. Garth the Gardener, the Oakenseat, the times it was sacked. how the Tyrells came to be stewards, how Osmund Tyrell stopped the Manderly-Peake war of succession.
The Reach: Narrated by Randyll Tarly, who talks about the role the Reach has played in wars such as the First Dornish War, the Dance of the Dragons, the First Blackfyre Rebellion and Robert's Rebellion. And how House Tarly has always followed the lead of their Tyrell liege lords but now he's having doubts about fighting with foreigners and savages.
Casterly Rock: Jaime tells the story of the Rock since the time of Corlos. Some of the tales of how Lann took it (including the one about him coating himself in butter to squeeze through a clef)
Dragonstone: Narrated by Varys
Eastwatch: Narrated by Bran
The Citadel: Sam talks about the process of becoming a Maester, and complains about the mindset of the Archmaesters
So now that Viserion is a wight-dragon is he vulnerable to fire like the rest of the wights? And is the fire he now breaths (blue) different from the fire he breathed before? Could his own fire destroy him?
So as the season is coming to an end, I think by now I already have watched enough to form my overall opinion on it, which is not very positive to say the least. There has been a lot of criticism from people on how this season has dealt with timing, pacing, plotholes, plot armor and the overall writing. And I agree with that fully, honestly there is not one storyline this season in which I don't think the writing is sloppy and convenient to what the writers themselves want.
But no storyline this season has irked, irritated and annoyed me as much as the extinction of House Tyrell. This may seem like a pointless thread filled with complaints, but this is just something I really just need to get off my chest and discuss.
As I'm sure you all are aware, House Tyrell is - well was - one of the most powerful Houses in the Seven Kingdoms. Probably the most powerful and biggest House, actually. I'd rank them above the Lannisters. They literally had everything you could imagine, especially wealth and political power. In the books the Tyrells are a huge family with multiple branches. The show did a pretty decent job at portraying the Tyrells in the early seasons, their political shifts, their (particularly Margaery's) influence over both nobles and common people etc. Even outside of the main characters like Margaery, Loras, Mace and Olenna we see many more Tyrell men and women such as handmaidens close to Margaery, and cousins (both seen and mentioned). Now we all know the story from there, Cersei got jealous and saw them as a threat, armed the Faith Millitant, blew up Margaery, Mace and Loras yada yada. The Queen, Warden of the South and his heir are dead.
Now after getting rid of these characters in a quick way, the show keeps alive Olenna whom we have been introduced to as a bigger character. Olenna is originally a Redwyne, and as Mace's mother she mostly worked behind the scenes and never was in a position of actual power. Now let's get to my actual point: the Fall of Highgarden. Olenna is apparently the last Tyrell alive (what happened to the cousins we saw? handmaidens? Alerie Tyrell?). Jaime and Randyll take the castle of Highgarden in a quick 2 minute montage, the battle happened off-screen. The inconsistencies make the fall of Highgarden highly implausible:
1. Even mentioned multiple times in the show, the Tyrells have the LARGEST military strength of the Seven Kingdoms.The Tyrells themselves have tens of thousands of men not including their bannermen or House Tarly: Military strength, while the Lannister/Tarly force was only ~10,000. Most importantly, they were on the defense against a force with no means of assaulting the walls. They defeated the Baratheon forces at the Battle of Blackwater and Loras was known as one of the best knights in Westeros.The explanation given by the writers in their behind the scene videos just reeks of subtle homophobia and sexism. Because of course Tyrells with their Oh so Gay warrior Loras and Flower sigils would be “bad” and are not “known for being great warriors”. When for the past 6 seasons they looked good as any and even Loras defeated Mountain by force and smarts. So 100,000 army with all their gold ..just…disappeared. Uh…
2. The Lannisters took over Highgarden to get rid of their enemies and steal all their supplies and gold. Highgarden is the capital of the reach. Highgarden has more grain and resources than any other seat (which is why the Lannisters attacked it) and could have easily held out much longer in a siege. When the Freys/Lannisters besieged Riverrun, the Blackfish said Riverrun could have held out in a siege for 2 years. Laying a siege on Highgarden would have took at least 5 years. The Lannister/Tarly force could only hope to siege anyways since they had no equipment that would enable them to attack. So even if the Tyrell garrison fights poorly, they did not even need to fight. They just had to wait behind the fortress walls until help came. And help would have come before the attackers could have finished building any artillery, rams, even ladders since the Dragons would likely get there first.
Even besides that, Highgarden is located on top of a HUGE hill and has three big walls and a maze that almost no one from the outside could just get into. There is no element of surprise since the attackers could not assault the walls. How did they breach the walls without siege equipment or infiltrating the castle to open the gates? There wasn’t even a siege.
3. The Lannister army endured heavy combat during The War of The Five Kings, it depleted their wartime resources, and sustained a number of casualties. The Tyrell force, on the other had, is essentially unscathed and unspent. Furthermore, the Lannister’s food stocks were heavily depleted (one of the main reasons they were attacking Highgarden, to take their grain), so they likely did not even have the resources to feed their men during a protracted siege of Highgarden (that is, until the arrival of Daenerys’ reinforcements).
4. Lord Tarly sided with the person who murdered his liege lord and children... riiight. In the books Randyll immediately goes to King's Landing when Margaery is imprisoned. He knew Olenna since he was a child. Why didn't Olenna hold a council meeting with all her bannermen? Surely she would 100% have the support of House Hightower and Redwyne at least. She would have made it known to them that she seeks retribution for what happened. If they had objections, they would have worked it out amongst themselves. She is a smart person who would not risk losing her bannermen, and if she did not have their support, she would likely not have entered the alliance with Daenerys immediately and instead taken time to bring the Lords on board with the plan. Somehow, it seems Lord Tarly and the other Lords were conveniently not informed of this fact by Olenna, as they still seem to believe the destruction of the Sept was an accident. Lord Tarly is no dishonorable oathbreaker. If he understood why Olenna made her decision to ally Daenerys, he likely would have supported it, as the Northmen supported Jon in bringing them together with the Wildlings. At the very least, he would have spoken with Olenna to understand her motives before backstabbing the person who belongs to a family he has been serving for his entire life.
5. Once again, what happened to all the other Tyrells we saw?? Did they all just get blown up in the Sept? surely not all Tyrells were in King's Landing at the moment, what happened to the rest in The Reach? were these innocent people all just mercilessly slaughtered at Highgarden?
6. Speaking of the Sept, no fallout over Cersei 1) obliterating a house of worship which has high approval among the commonfolk. And 2) Cersei massacring a family which, again, has the highest "approval rating" among the great houses? Margaery was more than loved by the common people, yet they all root for Cersei now? the woman they have been known to hate since SEASON 1? They certainly had families they lost in the destruction. But no protests or anything? Ok. Sure.
Let's move on back to the subject at hand before I go on pointing out all the inconsistencies from this season.
7. How did Varys’ spy network (which spans all of Westeros and as far as the eastern end of Essos) not know the Lannister army was marching on Highgarden? The Lannister army can’t teleport. They still needed to take days, likely weeks, to march the hundreds of miles to Highgarden, and a mobile army of thousands of men is easy to spot if they are taking the main roads (which they had to since their supply wagons march with the army).
So, if you are still here after reading my rant, or if you just want a TLDR:
The fall of Highgarden and the extinction of House Tyrell was completely unrealistic and one of the worst things this show has invented since Dorne. It is a cheap way to get rid of a story arc and characters, and it is obvious they wrote this plot so that they could use it to their own advantage. They truly just do not care about realism anymore, and just want to rush and wrap up as much as they can, they write stories to make it convenient for them to do that. They simplify things for the viewer, it's all about action now, no one cares about decent writing that made GoT so good in the first place. I seriously CANNOT believe that there isn't much outrage about this when people went nuts over Dorne, where the writers just got rid of the Martells, a powerful House, for the sake of getting rid of characters and side-storylines. They have done EXACTLY THE SAME here. And everyone is fine with it? Cool.
So, we know that Season 8 is the last. I personally don't really see Cersei surviving "The Dragon and the Wolf". My bet is that, once they've come back in maybe 8x01 or 8x02, Jaime kills her in a similar manner to how he killed Aerys and then off himself (probably by driving his sword [name is escaping me] through his heart). Qyburn and Gregor will probably die during Dany's arrival in KL or during the WW conflict. Bronn too, as much as I love the guy. Or maybe they'll all die in the series finale. We shall see.
Here are my admittedly idealistic thoughts:
Jon either becomes the new Night King and goes back to Winterfell to rule the North. Northern independence, which is what everyone over there has wanted from Season 2, is secured.
Sansa and Arya kill Baelish together. Arya is playing everyone around her at the moment, and how better to avenge the family than eliminating the man who is indirectly responsible for a majority of the suffering in Westeros due to the War of the Five Kings? As to the end of their personal arcs, Sansa will probably end up marrying an actually good man like she's always wanted. Perhaps Arya will finally be knighted or, tragically, perish in the conflict against the dead.
Dany will end up as Queen as she wants, but secures Northern independence as per Jon's request. Now, the shipper in me (speaking as someone who doesn't really ship on GOT) says they might marry for political reasons and fall for each other down the road just as Ned and Catelyn did but could she and Jon even have children? Jon was resurrected in pretty much the exact same way Beric has been 6 times. Does he have a heartbeat or blood in his veins? Everyone is like "OMG A JONERYS BABY".
Littlefinger I already covered. Getting offed by his "protege" would be poetic justice.
Davos is Jon's Hand, if he even wants one really. Or sacrifices himself to save Jon from the NK.
Melisandre I'm not too sure about. There was some minor hint that maybe "The Queen's Justice" is the last time we see her or Arya kills her after a one-off appearance next season? IDK. They don't really seem to know what to do with her now that Stannis is gone imo.
Maybe Tormund leads the wildlings into a reintegration into Southern or Northern society... or becomes a new Northern leader. We all know The Wall is gonna have to come down at some point.
Brienne- no comment. No idea what they're going to do with her. Maybe make her a Kingsguard for whoever wins the Iron Throne?
Gendry- legitimized and named as Dany's successor, in the event that all the "children/heir' talk in 7x06 is being misinterpreted by the fandom.
Sandor? Hmm. New leader of BWB. Don't see him being a Red Priest due to his fire-related PTSD. His whole storyline post-season 4 seems to be about faith and finding something to believe in.
After watching the latest episode - which someone SOMEHOW found out about ahead of time and spoiled, I didn't believe it fully until I saw the episode - I have no doubt that the war against the White Walkers - even with Cersei on their side, as she will soon be convinced of their existence - is a TLC. Which in this context, stands for Totally Lost Cause.
Even though we now know killing the Night King will wipe out all White Walkers and Wights, it's an impossible task. Killing Voldemort, Sauron, Jason, Pinhead, or even Thanos - who HASN'T died yet - is easier. (And I already have a theory on how the Avengers defeat Thanos in Infinity War)
First, dragons can't get near him. DRAGONS. I thought they'd be the ones to defeat him. The Song of Ice and Fire told in the title of the books happened this episode, not the last, and it ended in victory for ice rather than fire. He ALWAYS has a spear handy, and if a dragon even started to fly at him, he'd throw the spear and kill it. We know it can kill dragons, coz we just lost one of them this way. That was worse than Ramsay killing that giant.
Second, even if a dragon could get near him, what good would it do? Unlike other White Walkers, he's immune to fire. He walked through the flames and they dissipated as soon as he got close. If Drogon or Rhaegal shot a blast of flame at him, it would never connect with him. He simply cannot be burned, because his "aura" prevents it.
So, only weapons of dragonglass or Valerian Steel can kill him. And, if dragons can't get near him without being fatally speared, no human can. Besides, even if they're wielding one of those weapons, they'd have to cut their way through hundreds of Wights and some White Walkers to get to him, and they'd likely be torn apart if they tried.
Third, as if that wasn't bad enough, he's got an undead dragon on his side now. If he wasn't unstoppable before, he is now. This same dragon is the first dragon to die - and after our death scare with Drogon two episodes ago, with that weapon destroyed - and it was the Night King who killed him. The only way to take out the zombified Viserion is to kill the one who turned him - which is the Night King himself.
I heard a rumor that George R. Martin said the only five characters to survive would be Tyrion, Jon Snow, Arya, Bran, and Daenerys. This is obviously someone lying to get people to worship him. The only character that will survive is the Night King. Possibly the zombified Mountain (who seems to count as his own character) coz he's already undead.
So, the final episode is likely going to have the meeting with Cersei for the first half, and then the fight for the second half, in which everyone gets massacred by the White Walkers. Or else end like Angel with them about to face the evil army, but with a considerably lower chance of winning.
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