@ Godzillavk....my comments have not been "whining". Rather I have complained about the writers who came up with scripts I did not like and failed to take the story to an ending fans enjoyed.
I am not complaining about the actors who were given a script and contractually mandated to recite and act out the writers' lines. They are not at fault. But it is the writers who failed them (the actors) and the fans.
Fans have a right to voice their opinions about the writing of a script, whether good or bad, and then to voice their opinions of the writing that may have destroyed the characters they love and a story they held dear.
When actors make disparaging remarks about their fans it makes you not want to see any more of their films. I certainly am not excited to see Kit Harington in his next flick but I understand his wife, Rose Leslie, is so wealthy, Kit may not ever have to work again. Besides he wants to have kids with Rose and may become a stay-at-home Dad.
Rose Leslie is appearing as a main character in the American television series, The Good Fight. But her character has been marginalized so much she could leave any time. She is not that great as an actress and only got the role after her popularity as Ygritte on Game of Thrones.
As for Sophie Turner, she still has to work for a living.
I have over 1800 friends on my face book page and they come from all over the world. Given Sophie Turners public statement that her fans and whoever signed the petition to re-do Season 8 of Game of Thrones are "disrespectful", I will not go nor encourage any of my friends to go see her new film "Dark Phoenix" nor the other 2 films she made after that.
Once producers and directors determine she is an anathema, her career will sink and she may learn, you have to be nice to her fans or they will turn against you affecting both your career and your pocketbook.
I understand some of the actors who played main characters in Game of Thrones are basically saying "F___ the fans" because many of us have expressed disappointment in the ending.
According to Sophie Turner who played Sansa Stark we are "disrespectful". http://time.com/5592608/sophie-turner-on-game-of-thrones-petition/ https://www.msn.com/es-ve/estilo-de-vida/video/sophie-turner-calls-game-of-thrones-fans-disrespectful-for-petitioning-to-redo-final-season/vi-AABJHwh
Kit Harington said critics “...can go f**k themselves” if they hate Game Of Thrones Season 8: https://wikiofthrones.com/23710/kit-harington-critics-can-go-fk-themselves-if-they-hate-game-of-thrones-season-8/
Personally I find both of these statements offensive by actors who are both immature and inexperienced. The statements made by fans and critics are not criticism of their acting or dedication but rather a criticism of their writers who laid out a script they had to act out that fans despised. As an actor it is required to step out of their character to discover if fans will like what they did. Each fan has expectations for the character they loved but may have had very different aspirations of what their character would do in furthering the story they cared for. Actors....do not take the criticism personally because it is not a reflection of how fans evaluate each actor's ability but rather how writers failed in writing the story they wanted to see on the screen.
Actors...it is the fans who admire you and get producers and directors to hire you to play roles in the films being developed at this time. We are the source of your bread and butter. So do not cast us aside just because you do not like our criticism of how you performed in a story we loved. Rather learn from it and always appreciate we have your back.
Writing a screen play based on books is always difficult. An author can create many more characters and story lines in books than the person who writes the screen play for a film. Then there is the issue of pace, drama, artistic liberties, fan fatigue, length and needing characters who will draw an audience.
When Peter Jackson was making the film version of J.R.R. Tolkein's Lord of the Rings he sent back to the producers perhaps 10-15 hours of film of each film. There were 3 films. Jackson felt he had to change the story by introducing a romantic element, Arwen Undómiel or "Evenstar" and giving her a more prominent role. In the books Arwen only appears in The Appendices. Jackson decided to have Arwen be the elf to take Frodo to her father, Elrond, in Rivendell rather than the elf, Glorfindel. (In fact Glorfindel never made it into any of the films)
Thousands of fans complained to Jackson about taking Glorinfindel out of film but Jackson said he needed to bring more female fans into the story by having an active romance going on between Aragorn and Arwen. Otherwise the Lord of the Rings as a film is pretty dry and comes down to 9 male characters going on a road trip taking an old ring to be put in a volcano.
George Martin said Tolkein's Lord of the Rings and the Hundred Years War are where he got much of his inspiration and source materials for Game of Thrones.
Recently Martin also said in an interview, when he ever finishes his books, he will introduce the fans to many more of his original characters such as Jeyne Poole, Lady Stoneheart, Penny and her pig, Skahaz Shavepate, Arianne Martell, Darkstar, Victarion Greyjoy, Ser Garlan the Gallant, Aegon VI and a myriad of other characters who never made it into the television version.
Every time you love someone it feels different because you are loving a different person. Each person draws different feelings out of you but it does not mean you do not love each person...it just means you love them differently.
Ygritte was Jon's first love. He loved her totally and yet he left her to go back to the Night's Watch. Jon loved Daenerys thinking she would be a good Queen yet he killed her once he was convinced she would be a tyrant. He did not arduously try convince her of the errors of her ways. He posed to her about two questions and that was it. So, IMH, Jon failed Daenerys by not fighting for her good side, the one surpassed with mercy and love, Moreover, Jorah Mormont and Missandre were not there to turn her to the part of her personality made of love, mercy and forgiveness.
If Jon had been stronger and more determined to turn Daenerys around, everything could have turned out differently. Instead Jon is easily manipulated to accept the worst rather than to strive for the best.
Cersei and Joffrey were sociopaths. Tommen was weak. He could not even stand up for his lunatic mother. Robert Baratheon, if that is the one you are referring to, did not want to be King and brought Eddard Stark to take over Robert's responsibilities by becoming his Hand.
Daenerys went mad slowly after so many life long disappointments, losses and betrayals. Mentally and emotionally she was not strong enough to overcome these circumstances. Instead she came to rationalize her actions by saying "it was necessary" without having a clue of the impact on her followers such as Tyrion and Jon.
She put out of her head and did not understand nor appreciate the reasons Jon and Tyrion supported her. Moreover, she no longer had Jorah Mormont or Missandre to bring her back to her senses and bring out the other side of her personality that showed great mercy.
That's true. You have a point. I just have a hard time with Daenerys dying and getting Targaryen madness so I would rather imagine she was brought back to life not remembering her past and living in a house in Essos with a red door and a lemon tree with Dario and Drogon. I sleep better that way.
Why can't someone have a fantasy within a fantasy?
@Blazing Sky II. Well yes. But if Jon was brought back to life with the help of a Red Priestess, Dany should be able to as well.
Bran wants to maintain a connection with Drogon should he be needed to protect the people in Kings Landing. Since Jon is a Targaryen he is the only one who can tame and communicate with a dragon. Since Drogon is still alive it may be necessary to call him back again with the help of Jon to protect the people. Right now Drogon is in Essos but he has other friends in Valaryia. He has a social life.
I Have Been Told the Red Priestess Kinvara Will Bring Daenarys Back to Life To Live Out Her Days With Drogon in Essos
Daenarys will have little memory of her past and will live in the house with the red door and the lemon tree. If Drogon brings Dario to Essos to be with Dany, Daenarys will be very happy.
I am sorry if I offended you but it appears to me someone who is afflicted with the same disease they are diagnosing and is a layman is not a neutral party. Having a degree in psychology does not change that analysis because it takes much more in terms of education, degrees, supervised instruction, and experience working in that special field of abnormal psychology to become qualified and recognized in that field.
Do you have a citation where it says Aery's was "hearing voices"? I do not recall that. If that is what was happening, then it is likely he was schizophrenic as well.
If you have also been diagnosed with a compulsive/compulsive disorder then you are hardly in a neutral position to diagnose and speak to someone else's. I understand that psychiatrists now have medication to treat that disorder and it works very well.
So was Jesus Christ obsessive/compulsive? He believed it was his destiny to turn the people to believe in God (his father) and that would be their salvation. Many people in his time probably thought he was a lunatic.
Yet the people who crucified him probably thought he was a threat to their ruling status.
Interesting there could be a modern diagnosis as well as a Westerosi diagnosis. I have not read the books but it would be good to see if the "Targaryen madness" was seen in past rulers of this world who were not necessarily Targaryen.
Daenerys' father did not want to extend his rule to other kingdoms but he did want to kill the Lannisters and the Starks for rising against him. He was certainly delusional in many ways but his sense that his former allies were out to get him was true.
Historically we have found out inbreeding in an effort to keep the blood line "pure" does the opposite and creates mental illness. So throughout history were past leaders who have the obsession to take over the world to "save" the people, killed, jailed, locked up or sent to a psychiatrist?
Was Daenerys' compulsive obsession to carry on her fight to free more people in other kingdoms mirrored by other leaders such as Alexander the Great, Napolean Bonaparte and Genghis Khan.....some say even Jesus Christ?
We could probably diagnose Daenerys as obsessive/compulsive. She was obsessed all her life with becoming Queen of the Seven Kingdoms and compulsive about how she would do it. She did not realize she had actually won and no longer had to fight anyone else though she had become "Queen of the Ashes" in the process. She then became obsessed with freeing the rest of the people in the world not realizing she was not making the world a better, but continuing as one of the many tyrants the people for centuries had already lived under
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Actually Tyrion responded to Jon's question by saying "Ask me in 10 years". Sure both Tyrion and Jon have doubts about their decision, but the series was ending and no one wanted to find out if they could have turned Daenerys around.
Though it is true Jon may never forgive himself for killing Daenerys, he is happy where he is going because the Night Watch no longer exists. The reason the Night Watch was created was because of the existence of the White Walkers, the Night King and the Wildlings. The Night King and the White Walkers have been destroyed and are gone and the Wildlings are now friends of the people in the North and Winterfell. So the Night Watch has disbanded and the survivors are now living in Winterfell.
Jon has always wanted to live farther north than Winterfell away from civilization so now he gets to live with the people he likes, has his friend, Tormund, with him and his direwolf, Ghost. Jon will still have many adventures in his life time and hopefully will fall in love again. A very good ending for Jon.
I wish Jon possessed a stronger personality to be able to convince Daenerys her new thinking was sending her down the wrong path to be seen as mad as her father had been seen. I understand why Daenerys burned down Kings Landing though I do not condone it. But given what she had gone through all her life as a result of the Lannister family such as hiding from Baratheon's assassins, being sold like a "brood mare", being raped, having her children killed, being betrayed by her own advisors, having Cersei kill her best friend and consul...all these things would have sent anyone over the edge towards revenge and hate.
Yet Jon was not strong enough to convince her she could not set herself up to determine what was "good" in the world. He could not nor did he arduously try to convince her that, to set herself as the only one who could measure good and evil, made her a tyrant condemning her to act in a manner she was killing other tyrants for.
If Jon had been able to do that, they could have worked things out in another manner with them ruling together in a peaceful and prosperous world.
There is a part of me that would have loved to see three more seasons to develop the last part of this story and see Daenarys and Jon have children, face the normal obstacles that come from ruling a kingdom, have a few more dragons and dire wolves and see the development and intrigues of the other characters in the story. But no. It is not to be. Instead we are left with a very sad ending of people and beings we have grown to love.
@KillRoy231..."I know there used to be an island—Numenor—(in the Lord of the Rings) to the west of Middle Earth, but that it sank, Atlantis style.
"This is not only explained in the Silmarillion, but in much less detail in the appendices to LoTR, which are definitely worth a read.
Very briefly, originally the world was flat, and the Valar (basically, the gods) dwelled on Valinor in the far west. When the Elves awoke in Middle Earth, the Valar invited then to join them there, and those who obeyed the summons became known as Eldar. Later, some of the Eldar - including Galadriel - rebelled and came back to Middle Earth.
Much later, at the end of the Second Age, the Men of Numenor themselves rebelled against the command of the Valar that mortals were not allowed in Valinor. The Valar then appealed to Eru - ie God - who "bent the world", in other words, made it round, and removed Valinor from the round Earth so that mortals could not sail there.
However it was still permitted for Elves to sail on a "straight sea" and reach Valinor, although they could not then return to Middle Earth."
Or if Drogon is pregnant, he/she/it will be busy being a Mom.
@ClosetNerdkorp....You might be right. I am not sure. But at least Drogon could find a life long friend.