Dave Chaves- glad you’re still around! I work in ICU/Critical Care, and have to say, honestly, more than 5 minutes would probably leave you with some significant neurological deficits, so we’re glad you pulled a Jon Snow sooner than later!
It’s left open to interpretation, deliberately, to mirror how religion and faith play into political turmoil in the real world.
As in the real world, there are many religions in the World of Ice and Fire, however, in spite of the magical elements, the story is pretty grounded in what goes on in that world.
Much like faith in real life, we will never know which is the right path. Is it The Seven, The Old Gods, The Drowned God, The Lord of Light, The Great Stallion, The Fourteen Flames of Old Valyria...?
Only the dead in this universe could tell us for sure, and few dead are speaking on the matter.
Haha. Thanks, DaveChaves! Your dragon would be amazing and unsettling. Love it!!!
I like to think there are already tales being told in Volantis and throughout Essos by Red Priests and Priestesses, and others that live a hard life, who need a savior to believe in... Their legends would go...
After the Mother of Dragons was killed, Drogon (a reincarnation of Balerion the black, who was an incarnation of Balerion, the Valyrian god of death) flew to the ruins of Old Valyria... where through ancient Valyrian/Dragon blood magic, he resurrected the Mother of Dragons as a goddess, so she could bring about the birth of more dragons, and reclaim Old Valyria, which became a secret paradise with just the Mother and her children.
There she will stay. No one will disrupt her or the dragons. If the stonemen and fear of The Doom didn’t keep people away, those brave, foolish few would be scorched and eaten by dragons... or so the legend will go.
Essos will have a resurgence in the Old Valyrian religion, but with an addition to their gods, the fourteen flames- the fifteenth flame, Daenerys, the Mother of Dragons, goddess of life, rebirth, and hope. She rules side-by-side with Balerion, the god of death, and the underworld.
Those who are oppressed or need a savior to believe in will have a bit of hope in their lives... because the tales will tell that in its darkest hour, The Mother of Dragons and her children will come to liberate all who truly need it, and burn away all the tyranny, slavery, malice, and suffering in the world.
Like all the other religions though, it will be something to believe in, and not see... but in her death, and Drogon’s flight, I like to think the good she did in life will live on through myth and legend.
I don’t think Drogon would return to Westeros, nor have anything to do with Jon (his life will inspire savior/hero legends in the North, and among the free folk, just like Daenerys’s death will inspire legends in the East).
Mine would be pearlescent white with dark red (somewhere between maroon and deep magenta) membranes, and scale variation. Silver horns, and grey-blue eyes.
She would hatch from a pearl egg with wispy magenta patterns.
Backstory would be... 200 years after King Bran the Broken takes rule of Westeros...
I’m a teenaged orphan alone in the world. Called “Prince” Ajerys... mockingly, because of my Old Valyrian features (like I do in real life. Lol): Silvery blonde hair, pale skin, very light grey eyes that reflect blue or violet.. I was raised in an orphanage in the vicinity of The Bay of Dragons in Essos, where, due to my appearance, I am mistreated and shunned.
Upon turning 16 and leaving the orphanage, a Mhysa (the Essos-orphanage answer to a Septa), who has always felt sorry for me, and been kind to me, gives me this stone egg that was with me in the basket I was left in as a babe. I take the egg for stone, and contemplate how much it could get me, as I have nothing... but I feel connected to it, so I know I can’t sell it, no matter if I am starving.
I am captured by Dothraki, and made a slave, but one of the Khals sons fancies me, and liberates me. The Dothraki do not question homosexuality, they just view it as a natural part of life. I do not marry the Khal’s son, but he cares for me. I travel with them, and eventually with their help, we part as I find my way to the ruins of Old Valyria.
I meet an old red priestess, who hides her face in a lacquered mask.
She advises me on ancient rituals.
I descend into a cave in a long dormant volcano clutching the egg. One of the fourteen flames.
Springing back to life, flames and lava pour briefly from it, as the top cracks, and explodes.
I am in the flames coming out of the volcano, naked, and unharmed. Around my neck, my hatchling dragon. I have heard the legends of The Mother of Dragons, so I call her Daenyrion, after Daenerys Targaryen- who brought magic and dragons back into the world.
As my dragon grows, I adopt the name Aejerys Targaryen... and those who come to travel with me call me, Light of the Doom, The Pearl Dragon...
....And I’m sure I will add names and titles to this. Making for one hell of a driver’s license, when I land at Dragonstone, trying to unravel the mystery of my purpose.
Laaame. The end...(?!) 😂😂😂
Thanks, Godzilla! 😅
🙄 OBVIOUSLY we don’t like Hitler or Mussolini, but I certainly hope that we can appreciate the very basic concept of art imitating life.
We were able to appreciate her speech because of the FEAR it inspired, like we would feel watching video footage from a nazi rally, as Hitler’s zealous ramblings of the “good” he is doing are met with thundrous applause. It gave me chills.
The point of it is... Real life “villains” don’t lounge about reveling in their villainy, twirling their mustaches, cackling at how wicked they are. They do wicked things because they believe they are right.
Daenerys was more than likeable. As an audience, we had love for her (or were supposed to).
That’s the part that’s so heart-wrenching.
Throughout the narrative, we watch as she goes from this oppressed little girl with zero free will to a hero, a legend. The Breaker of Chains, The Mother of Dragons! We love to see her victorious, we feel sorrow for her losses.
However... in the end of her quest to break the wheel, liberate Westeros (and the world) from tyranny, we get a shift in perspective, because we relate more to the people of Westeros she’s torching than those portrayed as evil men in another culture that is unfamiliar and savage to us... the irony is that this has been happening the entire time, really. It’s the audience’s perspective that has shifted- not Dany’s. Dany did evil things because like a real-life tyrant, dictator, or villain, she believed she was right.
Liberating people from oppression is a beautiful ambition. Daenerys had the right intention, but took the wrong actions.
The lesson is that sometimes the greatest threat- the real villain of the story is not necessarily the horned demon raising armies of dead to vanquish the living- but REAL people who- in their minds- have only the best intentions... but dangerous ideology in their mission to make the world a better place.
Daenerys fulfilled her purpose in the story. With her death, the “wheel” that it was her dream to “break” was finally broken. Her death was her redemption, and the world she’d worked her whole life to create will become a more attainable goal. Even if she’s not around to see it, that was the purpose of her journey.
This speech was incredible. Gave me chills... anyone else get Adolf vibes? (Shudder)
It’s not the characters’ sign.
These are the characters that best represent each sign.
If there were astrology in The World of Ice and Fire, they wouldn’t go with the Aries-Pisces, as we do.
One of the reasons the different figures and deities came into play. Give it more authenticity.
I guess the signs could be Mother Rhoyne, The Old Gods, The Lion of Night/Maiden-Made-of-Light, The Mother, The Warrior, The Maiden, The Smith, Balerion, The Great Stallion, The Great Shepherd, The Three-Eyed Raven, and The Weeping Woman of Lys. 🤷🏼♂️
Personally I think as an audience we didn’t understand how far Daenerys was willing to go. How ruthless she was prepared to be. That was my big (gasp!). Theatre of cruelty- put the audience in action... in a way, for me, it absolutely did.
I just don’t get “Mad Queen” out of this one. I see a calculating conquerer who had no remorse at taking the actions she felt necessary.
However. Film, stories, and literature are open to interpretation, ergo, perhaps we got different messages. 🤷🏼♂️
Each of the traditional signs is “ruled by” a deity/mythical figure of The World of Ice and Fire, rather than our traditional planetary ruler.
Yuvraj- did you read my response? This wasn’t Targaryen madness. It was a girl who was a hero... the perspective shift was the “OMG” moment.
Daenerys wasn’t a mad queen.
She was in her right mind, praising her armies, and promising to conquer- er. Liberate the world from tyranny.
The irony is that her perspective didn’t shift. Ours as an audience did. Sure, before the masters and Khals were evil men... but maybe they weren’t- it was part of their culture, that Dany didn’t understand.
The conquest of King’s Landing was a part of Daenerys that we didn’t understand.
In Essos, she was praised as a hero, a savior- in Westeros, a mass-murdering tyrant.
She never stopped being the Mother of Dragons that we loved, we just didn’t understand what reclaiming her birthright with fire and blood was so literal.
She had the best intentions ever... she just had a different perspective.
Her entire arc kind of lead up to this. Built up as a legendary savior... then the shocking realization that the actions she sees as “necessary” are pretty extreme. However, the politics and state of Essos, where she spent the first six seasons is a lot more harsh than Westeros. A Dragon Queen has got to learn to be tough.
As for the Fighting Pits, this was another cultural faux pas on Dany’s part. A Westerosi by birth, raised on fragmented Westerosi and Valyrian culture by her brother, she fit in in Meereen as poorly as she did in King’s Landing. As Queen of Meereen, she took to wearing white, in contrast to the very colorful ensembles of the Meereenese to physically separate herself from the people she never understood, but intended to rule... just like in Westeros.
The slaves were fine with the abolishment of slavery... at first. Until it upset the balance they had grown comfortable with. The Fighting Pits of Meereen were a tradition, and form of entertainment- a part of their culture- that Daenerys quickly scoffed at, deeming it, and implying that their culture as a whole, savage.
Daenerys was ahead of her time in some ways, and very behind in others. She was an idealist, which is a great thing- but only when the ideas are in check, and the actions that drive them are just.
Still my favorite character. She had such good intentions for the world, but her execution of breaking the wheel was all wrong.
Dany’s story was so full of optimism. We all loved her. We all thought maybe she’d be the right fit for the Iron Throne.
In the end, she was, as her death resulted in its destruction, and in death, she did “break the wheel.”
Daenerys was too good to be true. I always saw tragedy in the cards for her.
The most shocking part of Dany’s fall was that it wasn’t. It wasn’t a fall. She wasn’t the mad queen.
She got off of Drogon- the first time we’d really seen her since the bells rang, and she brought the destruction.
And her reaction? “Yay. We liberated the city! Next... the rest of the world.”
She didn’t suddenly “turn villain.”
Dany’s perspective didn’t shift- as the audience, our perspective on Daenerys Targaryen shifted.
For six seasons, in Essos, she burned her way to the top, a conquerer, a liberator, a savior- and she was revered and loved for it.
She didn’t change. The culture she was in did... until season 7, she’s been across the world. Dealing with much harsher political realities than in Westeros, where slavery is illegal, and the worst you have to worry about is maybe Cersei’s temper.
We’re just finally seeing the extent of Dany’s devotion to her ideal world on a large scale, and from these Westerosi characters’ perspectives.
I think “mad queen” isn’t accurate.
Jon tried to excuse her behavior as a bit of madness to Tyrion, because of her losses... then he confronts her. She’s beaming. In her right mind... not the least bit remorseful. Because what she did was necessary. She totally believes she did the right thing.
I suspected it would end like this. The Dragon Queen was too much Fire and Blood for Westeros. In her mind, she was no tyrant. She was the Breaker of Chains. She had the best intentions... she just lacked perspective.
Histories and Lore shorts are on Youtube.
I’d recommend if you’re a fan. Gives a lot of background to the show.
RamsayS- I’m sorry you weren’t paying attention to something that has been a plot point since season 2... And basically the sole purpose of the character Melisandre. Remember her? Broody dame in red ominously reminding us that “THE NIGHT IS DARK AND FULL OF TERRORS!”
Fear not, though, there happens to be a wiki for GOT related things. 🤷🏼♂️
So, here is the link (from the show... not the book).
So, I’ll leave you to refreshing on that, and then maybe you can contribute to the discussion in a meaningful way... instead of... You know. How you initially responded.
Ramsay... 🤦🏼♂️ Histories and Lore shorts if you didn’t get the Nissa Nissa bit.
Also, the Azor Ahai “Prince who was promised” prophecy that was spoken of multiple times throughout the show...
It’s okay. Take all the time you need.
So did the prophecy come true?
Was Jon Snow “The Prince who was Promised?”
I think in the end... maybe the army of the dead and the supernatural evils paled in comparison to the darkness of human nature.
The Night King was quickly dispatched in “The Long Night,” because the true villain ended up being someone beloved, with good, yet very misguided intentions.
This speaks volumes to the “evil is a point of view” trope. Those who are villains don’t see themselves as villains.
I believe this was prophecy fulfillment... only Nissa Nissa was the true villain this time around, and it was up to Azor Ahai to take her down, and deliver the world from the evil and darkness she would ultimately bring through her misguided intentions.
The night is dark and full of terrors.