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What's on your mind?
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Gendry & Arya Baratheon
Rhaegar & Lyanna Targaryen
Jamie & Lysa Lannister
Robert & Lyanna Baratheon
Loras & Sansa Tyrell
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Daenerys Arrives at Dragonstone
Daenerys sails to Westeros
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She was right
She betrayed Jon and it's not good
I hated her
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Haunted and pained forever
Find a part of joy, but still haunted
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I like the ending of GOT. It wasn't a masterpiece by any means but I liked how it concluded.
If the last two books do get released I wonder if the fans of them will be disappointed too just like fans of GOT were?
One thing I'm sure is that GRRM won't rush his ending whether it's similar to the show's ending or not.
It's obvious that Lord Tywin knew Arya was a Northern girl of noble birth. Then would it have been really far-fetched to assume this was another Northern noblewoman they were searching for. I guess making the assumption that Arya ran from King's Landing all the way to Harrenhal may be a bit far-fetched. But, he still should've tried to find out more about her. What if she was related to one of Robb's vassals, who they could hold as a bargaining chip?
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the bread of dread
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Mountainously Massive Marky
Stop Making These
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Daenerys Targaryen becoming the villain and Bran becoming king.
Be mindful that this content is assumed ONLY from the books!
And that this is not only my theory. I just wrote it in my words in the way I understood it.
There have been many theories regarding Ashara Dayne. Some suggest that she is the mother of Daenerys Targaryen by Aerys Targaryen.
Aerys and Rhaella:
The marriage between Rhaella and Aerys was an unhappy one. All her life, Rhaella turned a blind eye to everything horrible Aerys did. Mainly to protect infant Viserys from his father. Yet when Aerys started having affairs with mistresses, Rhaella she objected heavily against "turning my ladies into whores" and had dismissed a few from court. Most notably Lady Joanna Lannister, Tywin Lannister's wife. After the death of their child (Jahaerys), Aerys became dutiful again only for some time. But this time, he would only sleep with Rhaella after burning a man alive. The night after burning Qarlton Chelsted, Jaime heard Rhaella scream and beg Aerys to stop as he raped her. Her maids reported seeing scratches and bruises on her. Another thing according to Jaime, Rhaella left to Dragonstone covering her face with a hood, on a morning. Viserys tells Daenerys that they escaped midnight. Nine months after leaving King's Landing, Rhaella "died" after giving birth to Daenerys on a stormy night. Willem Darry took the children and fled from Dragonstone.
Ashara Dayne was a lady-in-waiting to Elia Martell (Rhaegar's wife). She was in Harrenhal for the tourney of the year of the false spring. There she danced with many men, including Eddard stark.
-A Storm of Swords - Bran II -
The crannogman saw a maid with laughing purple eyes dance with a white sword, a red snake, and the lord of griffins, and lastly with the quiet wolf . . . but only after the wild wolf spoke to her on behalf of a brother too shy to leave his bench.
Maid with laughing purple eyes: Ashara Dayne
A white sword: Ser Barristan Selmy
A red snake: Oberyn Martell
The lord of Griffins: Jon Connington
The quite wolf: Eddard Stark
The wild wolf: Brandon Stark (Ned's brother)
It is known well across Westeros that Ashara Dayne jumped from the top of the Palestone Sword, one of the towers of Starfall into the sea. The reason is unknown, but several characters have cited possible reasons for Ashara's decision to commit suicide: a broken heart, because of her stillborn daughter, because of a stolen child, for the "man who had dishonoured her at Harrenhal", or due to grief over Arthur's death. Her body was never found. There is no truth and only rumours among the characters.
Catelyn believes that Jon Snow is the son of Ashara he brought to Winterfell after he went to Starfall with Arthur's sword. And when Ned confronts Cersei about the incest, she replies with this:
"Honor," she spat. "How dare you play the noble lord with me! What do you take me for? You've a bastard of your own, I've seen him. Who was the mother, I wonder? Some Dornish peasant you raped while her holdfast burned? A whore? Or was it the grieving sister, the Lady Ashara? She threw herself into the sea, I'm told. Why was that? For the brother you slew, or the child you stole? Tell me, my honorable Lord Eddard, how are you any different from Robert, or me, or Jaime?"
Both Catelyn and Cersei believe that Jon is Ashara's son. And for Harrenhal, there is no way she would have been dishonoured by Brandon since he was already betrothed to Catelyn, while ned was still single.
-A Storm of Swords - Arya VIII -
Harwin: "I doubt there's any truth to it. But if there is, what of it? When Ned met this Dornish lady, his brother Brandon was still alive, and it was him betrothed to Lady Catelyn, so there's no stain on your father's honor. There's nought like a tourney to make the blood run hot, so maybe some words were whispered in a tent of a night, who can say? Words or kisses, maybe more, but where's the harm in that? Spring had come, or so they thought, and neither one of them was pledged."
Here, it implies that Ned and Ashar fell in love at Harrenhal.
Ser Barristan Selmy notes that comparing Ashara to Elia, the Dornish princess was a kitchen drab. he also notes that Daenerys has the same eyes as Ashara Dayne (Purple).
-A Dance with Dragons - The Kingbreaker -
Even after all these years, Ser Barristan could still recall Ashara's smile, the sound of her laughter. He had only to close his eyes to see her, with her long dark hair tumbling about her shoulders and those haunting purple eyes. Daenerys has the same eyes. Sometimes when the queen looked at him, he felt as if he were looking at Ashara's daughter …
But Ashara's daughter had been stillborn, and his fair lady had thrown herself from a tower soon after, mad with grief for the child she had lost, and perhaps for the man who had dishonored her at Harrenhal as well. She died never knowing that Ser Barristan had loved her. How could she? He was a knight of the Kingsguard, sworn to celibacy. No good could have come from telling her his feelings. No good came from silence either. If I had unhorsed Rhaegar and crowned Ashara queen of love and beauty, might she have looked to me instead of Stark?
Here, Barristan mentions that Ashara had a daughter who was stillborn. But this is only rumoured, as there is no way Barristan would have directly known that Ashara's daughter was stillborn. And that Ashara and Daenerys have the same eyes, It could be that the "child she lost" was Daenerys. But Rhaella definitely gave birth to a child.
Both Daenerys and Viserys say that Ser Willem Darry took them to Braavos. Daenerys remembers her childhood home, a house with a red door and a lemon tree outside her window. Except, Lemon trees DO NOT grow in Braavos. There are Lemon trees in other places, notably Dorne and the other Free Cities.
Putting things on a timeline from the books (a bad one):
381 AC: Tourney at Harrenhal
282-283 AC: Robert's rebellion.
284 AC: Assault on Draonstone.
So Daenerys was conceived mid or late 283 AC to be born on 284 AC.
The parentage of Daenerys:
The woman that screamed from the royal bed-chamber is Rhaella in Jaime's opinion. And if Rhaella did give birth, she has a history of multiple pregnancies, stillbirths and miscarriages: (3 miscarriages, 2 stillbirths and 3 children that died very young). These 8 pregnancies were after the birth of Rhaegar in 259 AC, and they occurred from 263 AC to 274 AC. Viserys Targaryen was born in 276 AC. So a woman with such difficult pregnancy complications, it is possible that her child died during or sometime after birth in 284 AC. Viserys would not have cared since he blamed Daenerys for the death of Rhaella and never forgave her. And Ashara being Elia's lady-in-waiting, she would have definitely stayed with her in court. All we know is that Aerys was involved with wildfire plots during court time, but nobody never knew what happened in his bed-chamber. After being impregnated, Ashara must have left court out shame and humiliation, but there is no mention of this, and literally, everything known to people about Ashara are just rumours.
Calculating age, Rhaegar died at age 25 and Viserys would be age 8. And it's not that difficult to fool an eight-year-old boy with lies.
(edited by Isumusnah)
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So I am about 400 pages into "A feast for crows"
and I've realized how crappy D&D did with the Iron Islands. I just finished the Kingsmoot, and the show just didn't do it justice. Anyone else read this and agree or disagree?
Samwell Tarly made the humiliating mistake of suggesting democracy to Westeros.
How bad would be?