Board Thread:Administrative/@comment-5014364-20170806022242/@comment-5014364-20170806151615

They actually use Game of Thrones Wiki as their example of how this project works, in their posts on Community Central.

In the past six months, no one has made any attempt to contact or coordinate with us on these.

Well, no, they did ask us to try to script some of our own content, and that apparently was the basis for a few of these.

But the first I saw any of these videos is when I saw them pop up on articles, same as you guys. If you think I'm coordinating with them behind the scenes I'm not.

They never even told me how to contact them about these.

And their posts keep highlighting how they're working "with the community". I don't know who that is.

I'm also deeply annoyed that they started rolling these things out as Season 7 premiered. Which in terms of Wiki-etiquette is the equivalent of kicking someone in the stomach after you've already beaten them to a pulp. We're up to our eyes in work now and in no way do we have the free time to review videos. They had months to do this.

For example, I made a "Lyanna Mormont" test video and at the end go on a bit about how "It's kind of annoying that she's literally the only recurring female vassal, there are more in the books, and tokenism doesn't make up for that" -- was this "appropriate"? Possible not. Which is why I knew this was a "test" video and posted it weeks in advance so the second draft could cut that out.

If they argue "you never tried to review them before":

1 - They never even told us how to contact them or set up a framework for reviewing these. The first I see them is when they go live, nor am I informed of all of them.

2 - It was absurd if they expected us to review them during Season 7 as it premieres; I didn't "say anything" because I spent the past week writing up a 15,000 word notes section on the most recent episode. The actual day to day work of updating for a premiering TV season.

But I will make the time. "Most shocking Ramsay Bolton moments", set on autoplay, featuring a montage of him torturing people and the Sansa rape scene?

Things...things have reached a breaking point. And they consider us the testbed for how the video program is supposed to work.

I ask you, please assist my ignorance: can you provide links to the Wiki accounts of the people producing these videos, OR, the people writing the Fandom articles that appear in our sidebars? Not even on this wiki, but throughout the wikia network?

Kim Taylor Foster appears to be a video game reporter that they let make Game of Thrones content...because she watches the show. She asks basic questions which she could have learned by doing a search on the wiki, much less, dropping us a question in the forum or something. I can't find a wiki account associated with her anywhere, nor has she made any attempt to contact the admins here in the full year since the "Fandom" changeover happened. Most upsetting is when she did a video on "Game of Thrones prequels" which didn't do any research, and consisted of her wondering "Wow, wouldn't it be cool to have a Catelyn Stark prequel?"...even though she also wrote a written article, which did have some basic research (read the press releases) which acknowledged that "no characters from the main series would appear in a prequel, such as Robert's Rebellion".

I don't know any of these people.

(ack) That's not to say there isn't room for progress. I was upset about the Fandom articles at first, but:


 * 1 - MOST are actually well done, and even if their writers don't have wiki accounts, they DO read the wiki very thoroughly and interlink to relevant articles. It's the one or two bad ones that get me because we have ZERO feedback system.
 * 2 - We physically don't have the time to make video content during Season 7. I'm busy as it is.
 * 3 - They were starting to ask us about video content a few months ago, so there were some steps towards coordination.

But we have no feedback system. Someone actually wrote an article on "wow, isn't that Tormund/Brienne meme hilarious?" -- NO, that should be removed. Stop pandering to memes.

(ack) This is a new system and I expected some growth issues. This will be a major project we all will work on in the year and a half wait between Seasons 7 and 8. We'll need to hit the ground running on this.