Talk:Jon Snow

Robb & Jon's ages?
Is Robb older than Jon? Jon was conceived during Robert's Rebellion. I don't remember much about Eddard and Catelyn’s wedding. They were betrothed before the war, gaining the loyalty of House Tully. However, were they married before the war or after? Did they consummate their marriage right away if they were married before the war (they had no bedding ceremony)? Seems quite risky to marry a daughter to someone who might be dead in a month. 130.102.158.13 15:02, June 4, 2014 (UTC)


 * Jon is believed to be slightly younger than Robb, by a matter of months. They're both listed as the same numeric age. Dangerous to marry...that was the whole point; to secure the alliance for the war, Eddard married Catelyn and Jon Arryn married Lysa.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:37, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

*Potential Spoilers* Parentage
​Well some people just casually watch the show and since there haven't been too many hints on the TV show, a LOT of people won't have a clue who his mother is, and besides noting any clues that the TV show has shown, we should really try not to ruin this.

However, you've almost certainly ruined it for anyone reading this who didn't already know it, so congratulations. I'm not going to do it, but I hope an admin deletes this. Son Of Fire (talk) 07:44, December 24, 2014 (UTC)​​

Well its not really a spoiler, i mean technically its theorizing and speculation on a well-known fact, there are show-only viewers who have figured it out. I would say there definitely have been clues in the show all in the first season, they coached Sean Bean in the scene when Jon departs, the "Next time we meet, we'll discuss your mother" and how torn up he was. we see his hesitance to kill a Targaryen child with Dany and see firthand how Robert would react. and in season 4 as well, Oberyn's hints about Rhaegar and his 'loving another'. We knew he and Lyanna took off, and that honorable Ned would never have a bastard. I would say a LOT of people DO have a clue. Its not a well-kept secret a good 90% of the viewership and obviously all the book-readers know this, its not really 'ruining' anything, people wonder who it is, consolidating hints and theories into one place isn't a stretch. The westeros wiki lists the other possibilities as well, such as Ashara Dayne, Wylla etc. to make it less blatant, so if that is doable i say that would be adequate. ````

​I don't mean to come off mean but I think you're dead wrong. I've not read the books but I'm pretty sure it hasn't even been revealed there yet, I don't think ALL book readers know and CERTAINLY not 90% of TV viewers. I'd put the number closer to 5%. I don't think you understand just how many people watch the show for its enjoyment, and then forget about it until the next episode. Most people.

Of course the admins could have a different opinion and that's fine, but I don't think this Wiki needs to do any more than provide innocent and explicitly stated canonical facts and detail what happens in each episode and provide small book information (along with character and location bios). If I were in charge I wouldn't even put a quote from, for example, Jon as that's a spoiler because it lets me know he's still alive. I'd ban the person who ever put that little equation on here as although you may think you're being subtle, it's really obvious what and whom you're talking about. Just from seeing that I managed to work out everything with Lyanna and I was incredibly upset and it completely ruined it for me.

I do understand you don't mean to troll or vandalise, but anything that has not been revealed in the show, even theories, have no business being on a Wiki for the show. Son Of Fire (talk) 04:46, December 25, 2014 (UTC)

I think Son Of Fire has a good point, but unfortunately the Jon Snow wikia article itself fails to abide by the principle that it should restrict itself to what the tv series has revealed. That is, the article says Jon is Ned Stark's son, even though the tv series has presented even less evidence that Jon is Ned's son than it has that Joffrey was the son of King Robert (which was false). The fact that nearly everyone in Westeros believes Jon is Ned's son isn't any more compelling evidence than the fact that nearly everyone in Westeros believed Joffrey was Robert's son. The main reason the article shouldn't say Jon is Ned's son is that Ned never called Jon his son, and no one who would have first-hand knowledge of Jon's parentage ever called Jon Ned's son. (Furthermore, nowhere in the book A Game of Thrones does Ned say Jon is his son, nor even think it.  Nor does anyone say they remember Ned calling Jon his son.)  All we know for sure is that Ned never corrected anyone who called Jon his son, which could easily be explained by fear of what would happen to Jon if Robert learned Jon was really the son of a Targaryen. If I may offer a wild speculation, perhaps the reason George R.R. Martin is taking so long to complete the book series is that he's dismayed that so many readers correctly guessed Jon's parents and is struggling to find an alternative that 'proves' those readers wrong yet is consistent with the published books. But that would be hard to do if three Targaryens will ultimately be needed to ride the three dragons. Direwolfen (talk) 17:07, April 8, 2015 (UTC)

The TV show has given such little attention to the question - NONE after Season 1 - that it's really their fault for not mentioning it more. In which case it isn't really our place to do so here -- at most, see the "Wylla" article.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:15, April 8, 2015 (UTC)

Glad an admin agrees with me on this. I get very annoyed when this issue is raised on the wiki as to me it is a no-brainer. The only information that should be shared on this wiki is what has been established on the TV show and draw comparisons from the books. I worked out the theory based on information from here, specifically the Rhaegar page. At it's present state (and other linked pages) are fine as they currently are. If anything I think we should remove information instead of add it. There is absolutely no chance I would have ever managed to work out the theory based on information from the show alone.

I usually gauge situations like this around what my show-only friends think. These people love the show, don't care about the books and are very intelligent in regards to shows and stories. None of them have ANY idea about who Jon's mother is and have never even thought that Ned might not be the father. And it's not like they don't think about it, I've had guesses from Melisandre to Cassana Baratheon. Based on information from the TV series ALONE, it is VERY difficult to come up with the popular "theory" that book readers have. It is this fact which gives me the opinion that it shoud be no where near this wiki, not even mentioned.

We should be left only with the information the TV show has provided, and only elaborate on this when further developments are made in the show. Again I must say many may disagree and I won't make a huge issue out of this, it's up to the powers that be, but less is more makes a lot of sense in this situation. - Son Of Fire (talk) 17:43, April 8, 2015 (UTC)

Again, I agree with Son Of Fire's principle, but not with Son Of Fire's conclusion that the article is okay. The information provided by the tv show is that the people of Westeros believe Jon is Ned's son, not that Jon is Ned's son. Thus it's wrong for the article to assert Jon is Ned's son. Perhaps the best way around this problem would be for the GoT wikia to post a prominent disclaimer somewhere that says all "facts" presented in the wikia are based on the beliefs of the fictional people and are thus subject to change. (If such a disclaimer already exists, perhaps it needs to be made more prominent.) Direwolfen (talk) 01:13, April 9, 2015 (UTC)

As of the most recent episode in the TV show, John Snow's parentage has been mostly confirmed. His mother was heavily implied to be Lyanna Stark, and it leads us to conclude that his father would be Rhaegar Targaryen, the mad king, who had been holding her captive at the time of John Snow's birth, and it is said that he had raped her. 09:33, June 27 (UTC)

Eye picture
At first glance, that eye drawing/picture...I thought it was the Aeon Flux eye. lol http://www.chud.com/nextraimages/aeonflux1120804.gif 01:34, April 17, 2015 (UTC)

RIP
Kit Harington confirmed in an interview his character died. 

Even without book knowledge, most viewers might believe he'll be brought to life by the Red Woman à la what Thoros did for Beric Dondarrion, but to come back from the dead, you have to be dead which he is until he isn't.WaitingForYou (talk) 02:55, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
 * If they were planning on getting him back they wouldn't tell us.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 02:58, June 15, 2015 (UTC)


 * Well thanks for ruining that for everyone who didn't know. I'm so done with this Wiki and book readers spoiling things they don't think are spoilers that TOTALLY FUCKING ARE. - Son Of Fire (talk) 04:43, June 15, 2015 (UTC)


 * EDIT: Okay never mind. I thought what you were saying is that in the book he had already been brought back to life, but now I see the show and book are at the same point. My bad. And for you, anonymous editor, I wasn't talking about show spoilers, I always watch an episode before coming here. - Son Of Fire (talk) 05:16, June 15, 2015 (UTC)


 * Honestly if you're stupid enough to visit a Wiki right after the season finale you deserve to be spoiled (or at least, I really don't feel sorry for you because you were just BEGGING for it to happen). 174.56.146.50 05:04, June 15, 2015 (UTC)


 * Oh shiz... sorry. :S 174.56.146.50 05:36, June 15, 2015 (UTC)#


 * My fault for not bothering to properly read what WaitingForYou said! - Son Of Fire (talk) 06:16, June 15, 2015 (UTC)


 * I agree, he is dead. But he won't be dead for long. Jarmok (talk) 11:42, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
 * If Melisandre brings him back. Remember, the "Last Kiss" isn't supposed to bring people back from the dead, just a rite for the departed performed at funerals. Even if Jon gets resurrected, no way will the Watch follow an undead leader :P  DRAEVAN13 

11:59, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
 * That's the whole point, through death he is released from any obligations to the Watch. Jon is the heir to the throne being actually the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark, he may be burned to prevent becoming a white walker and that would have the adverse effect being a dragon descendant.

Confirmed dead
Official website, confirmation of death. http://viewers-guide.hbo.com/game-of-thrones/season-5/episode-10/people/61/jon-snow  DRAEVAN13  03:29, June 15, 2015 (UTC)

That doesn't mean anything. Of course they will say he is dead after watching the episode. Otherwise there would be no element of surprise if he were to come back. The point is, we won't know for sure until next season or maybe not until Season 7 if he was ressurected or warged into Ghost or if he is just plain dead. Ragingturtle (talk) 15:09, June 15, 2015 (UTC)


 * It could be he'll be back. But as far as his status on this Wiki is concerned, he's dead.  DRAEVAN13 

15:11, June 15, 2015 (UTC)

Viewer's guide =/= official statement.

Vandalism
Some poor retard removed the "last seen" and changed his status to "Unknown" without even putting the proper link to the "Uncertain" page. Could you please revert it to dead and put the last seen bit again and protect this page further so as to avoid vandalism and inaccuracy by idiots. Thanks2.227.91.227 12:57, July 1, 2015 (UTC)

DoneMikividosevicgasparotti (talk) 13:13, July 1, 2015 (UTC)

Alive?
I'm sort of a legitimacy noob, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but:

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/07/kit-harington-belfast-jon-snow-season-6-game-of-thrones

http://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/tv-radio/591642/Game-of-Thrones-season-6-Jon-Snow-dead-Kit-Harington-Belfast-filming

http://www.standard.co.uk/stayingin/tvfilm/game-of-thrones-season-6-kit-harington-spotted-in-belfast-suggesting-return-of-jon-snow-10403761.html

http://www.mtv.com/news/2222807/game-of-thrones-jon-snow-death-toys/

Extremely suspicious but nothing that concrete, but at least this topic should be open in the case that there is more solid evidence that he's returned. When can we confirm he's back anyway, when he's been spotted on set as Jon Snow or when the premiere/any subsequent episodes air? — Sharp Blades (talk) 22:45, July 25, 2015 (UTC)

I don't think we can confirm it unless it's actually officially stated by Kit or a senior member of Staff or when Season 6 actually comes out. Besides he looked pretty dead (for now at least) so let's try and avoid a pointless debate on changing the status. Gboy4 (talk) 23:44, July 25, 2015 (UTC)

Oh I wouldn't dare debate changing his status even if he was spotted on set in-outfit, I really just wanted his appearance in Belfast to be pointed out. — Sharp Blades (talk) 00:11, July 26, 2015 (UTC)

Confirmed?
So is it really confirmed that Jon is coming back season 6, since he's part of the returning cast for season 6? — Ghost Hunter 85 (talk) 10:28, August 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * No it's not confirmed yet, since he could just be playing his corpse in 1 episode like Charles Dance did for Tywin in season 5.  DRAEVAN13 

Ygritte
Why is Ygritte on the family tree? Just because they boned one time, that makes them family?154.5.157.181 07:28, December 1, 2015 (UTC)

1 - Helps people browse to other characters, 2 - ...under wildling custom, she was sort of his "common law wife" of a sort.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:28, December 5, 2015 (UTC)

Lt language interwiki link
Hi,

Please add lithuanian language interwiki link in Jon Snow page  Jon Snow 

Thank you, have nice holidays. --Controlnet (talk) 11:58, December 24, 2015 (UTC)

Last Seen
Considering his corpse is still a major character as of Season 6 thus far, shouldn't the "last seen" field on his infobox be removed until the circumstance comes in which his corpse makes its last appearance, such as Tywin's in "The Wars to Come"? (Of course I don't think that'll ever happen because I think he's coming back but that's irrelevant for now, anyway.) Salociin (talk) 22:16, April 26, 2016 (UTC)

Jon Snow Confirmed Alive!
Knew it. Ghost Hunter 85 (talk) 3:20, May 2, 2016 (UTC)


 * It was obvious, Melisandre has disposed Stannis Baratheon because he was an illegitimate claimant to the throne in the favor of the lawful Targaryen heir, Jon Snow, the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna Stark who have secretly married. His death was necessary to absolve him of his oath as the next episode is titled "Oathbreaker".


 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-sGx291iMg


 * Three dragons, three riders. The third Targaryen is Tyrion Lannister, the product of an affair between King Aerys II Targaryen and his mother. As in the case of his siblings his mother has died at birth and he has killed his loved one. His affinity for dragons is another big hint in that regard.


 * I knew it too!!!! lol 21:00, May 2, 2016 (UTC)


 * So who brought him back ? The witch said the lord aka God resurrected him. So, the abrahemic God is now canon in Game of Thrones. Probably better, couldn't stand those pegan deitis.--109.193.194.21 08:41, May 9, 2016 (UTC)


 * There are no Abrahamic religions in the world of Game of Thrones. It's fantasy, not real life. R'hllor aka the "Lord of Light" brought him back, supposedly. SharkyBytesz (talk) 08:43, May 9, 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, that's obvious. I am an atheist, so God is hardly a real world entity form me. I am still wondering if we ever see the true creator aka capital G od on the show. I mean, the show is awesome, but it really needs to go into another direction. Who is the Big Bad in Game of Thrones ? There are no villains, only some... well let's say less believable (as villains) humans. Villains who won't die from some lame sword blows. What about introducing big bad's like Sauron/ Lucifer/ Palpatine ? --109.193.194.90 03:39, May 15, 2016 (UTC)

R+L=J confirmed. He is officially not Ned Stark's actual son. He is Lyanna's son.

Lyanna being the mother of Jon confirmed
Now it is officially confirmed that King Jon is the son of Lyanna Stark. It was also pretty obvious that Rhaegar is the father. You can hear Lyanna telling Ned that he has to protect Jon because Robert would kill him. Stop with the lies. He's not Ned's son. 91.56.207.239 02:30, June 27, 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Unlock the pages, this is getting annoying.Werebereus - ಠ_ಠ 02:42, June 27, 2016 (UTC)


 * Yup. Not sure why these page locks keep happening. They should be unlocked right after the episode ends. For what it's worth, though, nothing has yet confirmed that Rhaegar Targaryen is the biological father. It's the most logical assumption, but it's not stated in the Viewer Guide or in the episode itself. In fact, in the Viewer Guide, it just has Lyanna Stark as his mother, and doesn't include Rhaegar. This is likely intentional. Reddyredcp (talk) 02:44, June 27, 2016 (UTC)


 * Is Wylla just a cover name that Eddard came up with to make it nonapaprent for Lyanna being the actual mother? If so then the Wylla page may need to be editted to put it up to date on curent matters. Zachgiaco (talk) 02:56, June 27, 2016 (UTC)


 * Wylla could be that other girl in the room with Lyanna. Reddyredcp (talk) 02:58, June 27, 2016 (UTC)


 * I've already left a message on Lyanna's page asking the admins to add details about her appearance. As for that baby being Jon, that may indeed be the case but it's still to early to say for sure as Ned and Lyanna were speaking in hushed tones. I want R+L=J to be true as much as anyone but we need to be patient. Shaneymike (talk) 03:16, June 27, 2016 (UTC)


 * Bunch of idiots on this site, honestly I wish they would rather help edit most of of the stuff that happened in King's Landing in this season finale rather than just to jump the gun to this ridiculous R+L=J drug they're all on. Eko is Oke (talk) 03:19, June 27, 2016 (UTC)


 * You are the Troll here... Her what Lyanna told to Eddard: His name is... If Robert find out, he'll kill him, you know he will... You have to protect him. Promise me Ned ! So in your mind Robert kill baby's just for pleasure... No he kill them because they have Targaryen blood and because they are a threat to his rule... Maxattac (talk) 03:26, June 27, 2016 (UTC)

Jon Snow's father
I foresee this becoming a great edit war, so we definitely need to resolve this. It's now clear that Lyanna Stark is the mother of Jon Snow. Unfortunately, the show - nor the Viewer Guide - does not state that Rhaegar Targaryen is his father. Is it obvious and clear? Is there tons of evidence pointing towards Rhaegar being his father, evidence even in this episode? Yes to both. But, it's still technically an assumption and speculation until it is confirmed. And I do have a bad feeling that the showrunners are going to stretch this out. How should we act? Should we jump the gun with what is technically an assumption, or should we wait until it is officially confirmed? Reddyredcp (talk) 04:44, June 27, 2016 (UTC)
 * During the episode flashback, they spoke of Rhaegar. Sansa said "he raped her" and the then cinematic cut to Tower of Joy, which we know is where Rhaegar took her. I'm pretty sure Petyr says "how many people had to die because Rhaegar chose your aunts". That's confirmation enough for me. If that's not enough for you, the fact thats its an assumption or that it's tentative can always be mentioned.Werebereus - ಠ_ಠ 04:50, June 27, 2016 (UTC)

Protect this page!
Never thought I would ask for this, but please protect this page for a couple of days, at least. Nothing but a constant edit war. All we know for sure is that he is Lyanna's son. It's reasonable to assume he is Rhaegar's as well, I suppose. There is nothing confirmed about his true name or any of this non-sense that trolls are adding. Reddyredcp (talk) 05:38, June 27, 2016 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Shaneymike (talk) 05:46, June 27, 2016 (UTC)
 * Our prayers have been answered! Shaneymike (talk) 06:11, June 27, 2016 (UTC)

Locked
The page is locked to stop this edit war over sigils.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 06:14, June 27, 2016 (UTC)

I understand locking the page, but could you at least change it so he is Lyanna's son and not Ned's? Whether you believe Rhaegar is his father or not, the show has confirmed he is Lyanna's so that should be reflected in his page.Tinuviel Undomiel (talk) 07:36, June 27, 2016 (UTC)

We should only add parenthesis around parts that stated that he was Ned Stark's son

For Example: Eddard Stark's "Bastard Son"; "Half-Brother" to Robb, Sansa, Bran, Arya, and Rickon

This makes it easier to edit the wikia page so that we don't have to delete and reword the whole thing. It also preserves a key element of the series: the fact that he was raised as the "bastard son" of Eddard Stark and raised alongside his "siblings" as a part of the family. This is a key part in his identity. Lygarx (talk) 11:11, June 27, 2016 (UTC)

Please fix
I totally get why the page needed to be locked. I do have a request, though. I was in the middle of editing this right before the page was locked. Please add that the Stark children are his maternal first cousins. Also, Catelyn should be his "aunt by marriage", not his "aunt-in-law". ~ Lilyflower422 (talk) 06:24, June 27, 2016 (UTC)

Bio Info
Why was Jon's information changed back to being a bastard of Ned Stark? The show just confirmed he is Lyanna's son, this should be updated back to the way it was before. Tinuviel Undomiel (talk) 06:59, June 27, 2016 (UTC)

Why has all the editing on Jon's page been reversed? It's been confirmed he's NOT Ned Stark's son, but some guy, Gonzalo84, has edited the page to say he is and protected it so nobody else can fix his mistakes and make the page actually accurate. R + L = J has been confirmed in episode 10, shouldn't the wikia article reflect this change?

14.2.161.70 07:34, June 27, 2016 (UTC) Tom

WTF
Are you guys mentally ill? It was perfectly edited with his updated family and his new title of King in the North and now it has been LOCKED and REVERSED. Good one Gonzalo84, so much for being a proper wiki -you don't even let others contribute, just your little admin squad.--172.98.84.79 08:58, June 27, 2016 (UTC)Darnell

For real, this is the Game of Thrones wiki, not a Song of Ice and Fire wiki...either fix your shit, or your webmaster is gonna have a hard time with this. Inaccurrate information is inaccurate.--68.225.173.228 4:51, June 27, 2016 (CST) A highly concerned fan
 * Make a wiki account, all you need is a username and a password, I suggest this because I personally wouldn't feel comfortable disagreeing with someone with my IP showing. (Just saying) The page was locked due to the new rush of information and people trying to give Jon the Targaryen sigil. He's obviously the son of Lyanna and Rhaegar, but to present him as a targaryen in that way doesn't seem right when he's allied with House Stark his entire life, and do not have knowledge of his parentage. --Kai200995 (talk) 09:55, June 27, 2016 (UTC)


 * Actually, it makes sense for him to have the left sigil a Targaryen one, as it represents his blood's house. He should have the right sigil a Stark one as he identifies himself with this House and he is loyal towards them. If we add the Targaryen sigil to people who have Targaryen political leanings, we should add the Targ left sigil to Jon as he is of the Targaryen blood. LordofBraxis (talk) 10:28, June 27, 2016 (UTC)


 * Forgive me as I'm not entirely familiar with the exact policies regarding the heraldry, but wouldn't it go: Targ > Stark > Night's Watch > Stark? Left side indicates family you are born to/you first serve, the middle two denote past allegiances, and the right denotes current allegiance. Jon was "allied" with House Stark, but renounced his name when joining the Night's Watch. And, of course, when he left the Night's Watch, he was once again apart of House Stark. I feel like not including Stark would be confusing and misleading, but including the sigil twice could also be messy and confusing. Reddyredcp (talk) 10:37, June 27, 2016 (UTC)


 * It wasn't perfectly edited. There was a constant edit war going on. People were making up names for him, changing his heraldry incorrectly, and making false assumptions. It was an absolute mess. See the revision history and the past discussions on this talk page, if you must. Reddyredcp (talk) 10:37, June 27, 2016 (UTC)

Jon's parentage confirmed (sort of)
I don't know what exactly Gonzalo did to the page, but I think the page should be unlocked since Jon's parentage has been confirmed. He's the son of Lyanna Stark. (If he's also the son of Rhaegar is heavily implied, but still not wholly confirmed). Lord Sharky ( talk )   PINK is the new Black 10:20, June 27, 2016 (UTC)

You've got to be kidding...
There are over 1500 articles on this topic on Google News and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Snow_(character) has been updated.

Lyanna Stark (mother) Rhaegar Targaryen (father) Ned Stark (uncle, foster father) Catelyn Stark (aunt, foster mother)

According to this version Lyanna has adopted the Wylla pseudonym and committed incest.

It needs to be locked
Too many people trying to edit it at once. It needs to be locked. Only admins should edit the super popular pages since too many people are trying to edit it at once.

I do recommend that parts that say that he is the bastard son of Ned Stark be put in parenthesis. The reason why is simple. To avoid spoiling too much and have the reveal all the more meaningful when placed where it is in season 6 history. "half brother" to so and so. "Bastard son" of Eddard Stark. These are some examples. Since he was raised as the "Bastard Son" and raised together with his "Half-Siblings" and everyone believed him to be the half brother, it would be best to only put parenthesis around parts that indicate his relation to his relatives until it is truly revealed to the characters themselves. His family relations are very confusing to write about. My way is likely the best way to deal with the Jon Snow character Page. Immediately changing it to 'cousin of Robb, Sansa, Arya, Bran, Rickon' ignores the most important part of Jon Snow. He was raised as Eddard Stark's son and the whole series basically revolves around him and everyone around him believing that he was truly Eddard Stark's bastard son. This also makes the Jon Snow Page easier to edit. When you place parenthesis around those originally assumed family relations, you don't have to change as much and reword the entire wikia and only need to add parts to the end.

Lygarx (talk) 11:04, June 27, 2016 (UTC)LygarX