Talk:Rape

Major revision
Hey, I just started drastically rewriting the page due to several criticisms about length/structure. I blanked this talk page to start over along with this new version (anyone who wants to reiterate earlier points which are still relevant just copy-paste them back again). Clean start.

The new plan is this:

Basic intro description (this looks okay to me).

Instead of having three subsections on "in real life", "in the books", and "in the TV series vs in the books", it now has two major subsections: "in the books" and "in the TV series vs in the books" and the "in the books" section now has three broad subsections:


 * 1 - The original "in the books" section (with some trimming) basically a long quote from GRRM about it,
 * 2 - a significantly shortened version of the original "in real life" section, to put Martin's comments in context, then
 * 3 - First Night. The First Night section is unchanged -- it's comparing the books with real life, and it's relevant in the sense that the TV series notably omitted it. It made more sense to put it as a subsection here, comparing it with real life, than in the general list of TV series vs books.

I've looked over the "TV series vs books" section and I'm also satisfied, though it is long, I think it is merited. But I'm open to suggestions on trimming it.

Any thoughts or other refinements that should be made? Anyone think all or part of it are good as they are?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:45, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

Inverse the order, as in the rest of the wiki (first GoT, then Books). And in this case, I guess the real life part in the end. Don't stress stuff with which you may personally agree, such as in the reactions to Sansa; you stressed a particular negative reaction; why not others, whether they are negative or positive? I'm gonna guess it was a mistake. I'd also encourage you to use at least some of the non-judgemental version I did of your Jaime/Cersei sex scene article, both for the article itself and this shortened version. It lacks subjective qualitative considerations such as "baffling", etc. It's also shorter, more condensed and synthesized, without losing any relevant information. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 12:34, August 27, 2015 (UTC)