User talk:Greater good

Welcome
Hi, welcome to Game of Thrones Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the User:Greater good page.

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Enjoy your editing and please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Opark 77 (Talk) 15:58, February 26, 2012

Unused footage and infoboxes
I don't think we should list actors who haven't actually appeared in released episodes in character infoboxes - their role is not significant enough in my opinion. Having a brief mention of the recasting in the body text of a character article seems more than enough to me.--Opark 77 16:27, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Image policy
Thanks for adding the image File:Aerys.jpg. Please could you take a look at our image policy. For each image that we use we need to ensure that we have the following information on the image page, all of which should be added by the uploader at the point of upload:
 * 1) The source (naming the video clip or episode for screenshots and providing a URL for images from other websites)
 * 2) A description (state what the image shows)
 * 3) A licensing tag ( for screenshots)
 * 4) Appropriate categories (e.g. Category: Image (Special Features) and Category: Image (Character) for screenshots of characters from the special features, to add these just type )

I have added as much of this information to your image as I can to show you what we need. I'm afraid I don't have Blu Ray so I cannot state what feature it comes from, could you let me know or add the information to the image?

In future I hope that you will be able to add this information yourself. If you fail to do so I will let you know and nominate the image in question for deletion. I will then review it 1 week later and will be happy if you have added the required information so we can keep it, otherwise I will have to delete it. If you need assistance adding the required information just let me know and I will do my best to help.

I highly recommend working from a template when uploading images. Personally I always copy and paste this:

==Summary==

This image is a screencap from "EPISODE." The image is copyrighted by HBO. This image is used with the permission of HBO but on the understanding that it can be removed at any time. The image shows DESCRIPTION.

==Licensing==

Then I only need to fill in the name of the episode and a brief description (obviously this requires a bit more adaptation for images from the special features).--Opark 77 15:48, May 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * You're not using the right licensing tag - we have permission to use screen shots from the show so they should get not  . Please use the template I have provided you with. If you continue to upload images with the wrong licensing tag, or insufficient information then I will have no choice but to block you from editing. Please go back through your recent uploads and add this template to them so that they have the correct licensing tag, and the right information regarding the permission and copyright of the images.--Opark 77 (talk) 00:48, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

Tau'va--The Dragon Demands 18:37, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

Yara's photo
Love the image. It has an amazing quality, its an amazing improvement compared to Chrys' low quality, narrow-cut images.Gonzalo84 18:31, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

Replacing photos
Instead of just removing them, it is mandatory for you to move the replaced image to the article gallery.--Gonzalo84 06:40, June 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Once again you've changed article photos without moving the replaced one to the article gallery. Consider this your second warning. One more and you will be temporarily blocked from editing.--Gonzalo84 03:44, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

You've been removing images instead of replacing them again. Please stop.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:18, April 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * Alright, I warned you about this yesterday, but you went back onto the Aegon Targaryen page and removed an image anyway. You can't remove images, you have to put them somewhere else in the page (unless you're replacing it with a similar, better shot of something from the same scene).--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:15, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

New images
Don't forget to categorize images and add the proper information.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 03:56, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Grey King
In that image you added to the infobox you can only see his silhouette. Restore the previous image and move the silhouette to a gallery.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 05:54, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Screenshots
Don't forget to crop them properly. That one you posted on Fall of Winterfell has a black line on the top. Fix it.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 15:44, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Complete Guide 2 images
While I'm annoyed here and there about some things with putting in new images (making sure not to remove older images, making sure they're cropped properly, etc.) the images from the Complete Guide Season 2 you've been loading up are a MASSIVE benefit and save me and everyone else a lot of time that would have been spent screencapping them. Thank you.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:18, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Can you please tell me in which video you found the picture of Elia Martell ? Electra Mak. (talk) 16:00, April 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * The Complete Guide to Westeros, "House Clegane" feature. It is in the Season 2 Blu-ray set.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:16, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

Unnecessary code in articles
​Be careful when writings there's a lot of that in some articles. Like Night's Queen.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 04:49, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Prose
When you add original text to articles be sure to avoid using literary prose. Your lengthy update to the Jeor Mormont page for the events of season 3 episode 4 was far from encyclopedic. Don't use ellipses between paragraphs, keep text concise and avoid unnecessary words, avoid overly dramatic descriptions, link to information rather than overly describe things that are already in place elsewhere (ie: just say "as he broke guest right" rather than "as a guest killing a host who has formally accepted him into his home breaks all the laws of gods and men"), etc etc. Remember that you are reporting information, not telling stories.

rjcripe (talk) 02:15, April 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * Greater Good copy-pasted the section of my episode-summary relevant to Mormont into the Jeor Mormont page; this is often done as a stop-gap measure when we have a lot of editing to do in the middle of a ten episode season's run. I fully support his actions. This wasn't a "serious", "permanent" summary added to Mormont's page, it was meant to get the ball rolling.


 * ...you would know this if you'd been editing here earlier. You'd have known this if you hadn't started editing TODAY on this wiki. http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rjcripe


 * You have made NO contributions to this wiki, other than to harass Greater Good, one of our regulars. Not even one edit.


 * Yet you have the audacity to write an arrogant lecture berating Greater Good on the finer points of prose writing? Which 1 - you'd know he was copy-pasting an episode summary as a stop-gap measure if you ever edited here, 2 - is kind of ridiculous when one considers that you've never written a damn thing on this wiki before.


 * In short, Rjcripe, I can't stand for this. In all seriousness and honesty, please explain why I shouldn't ban you from this wiki for harassing regular editors like Greater Good? This isn't a rhetorical question. Can you give me any reason or justification for not banning you?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 05:01, April 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * From a utilitarian perspective, in which the needs of the many outweigh the concerns of the few, your banning would serve the greater good.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 05:02, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

Characters from the RPG game
Those characters do not belong here. The articles and images will be deleted. I recommend another wikia.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 06:38, May 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't want to mess your effort so you have one hour so you can save your work in your sandbox or another wiki. Then I'll proceed wit the summary deletion.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 06:41, May 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * Agreed. The computer game uses imagery and voices from the TV show and is published under a HBO licence, so the article for the game itself can stay, but the storyline and characters are not canon for either the TV show or book and it is not appropriate to put articles about them either on this wiki or the book one. Properly speaking, it should have its own Wikia altogether.--Werthead (talk) 09:18, May 4, 2013 (UTC)

Clegane family tree
Thanks for the work.!


 * Cleganes are not "Lords", they are landed knights. I know in the bluray extra the Hound says "Gregor became lord of the Clegane lands", that doesn't mean Gregor is a real lord, if that was the case he would be referred to as Lord Gregor Clegane and not Ser Gregor Clegane. Thus, neither his father can be called "Lord Clegane" nor his mother "lady Clegane". And non a side note, these unidentified characters shouldn't be linked anymore than the Bolton family tree has a link to Ramsay Snow's mother.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 23:33, May 4, 2013 (UTC)

The template needs cleanup. Articles with the tree show redundant unused code.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 04:47, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

Season 2 featurettes
They are part of Histories & Lore", not the Complete Guide to Westeros. Fix it please.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 02:35, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

Walder Frey's daughters/granddaughters
It is a mistake to write "XXXXXXX is THE daughter/granddaughter of Lord Walder Frey" since Lord Walder has lots and lots of daughters/granddaughters. Fix it please.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 04:56, June 4, 2013 (UTC)

Image uploads
Make sure to add the appropriate description, copyright status, and categories to your recent uploads. Also, can you please remove the white border from the Kenneth Hadley image. Thanks.-- 10:39, June 4, 2013 (UTC)

House Martell family tree
Could you create one? It must include:


 * Prince Doran Martell, Prince Oberyn Martell, Princess Elia Martell
 * Prince Rhaegar (as Elia's husband)
 * Prince Aegon and Princess Rhaenys (as Elia's children)
 * Prince Trystane Martell (Doran's son)

Also, just like Rhaego is included in the Targaryen tree, the Stark and Tully trees should include Robb and Talisa's unborn child.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 21:03, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

Unlike Talisa's pregnancy in very early stage, Rhaego was full-term and stillborn.
 * I agree; Rhaego was given birth to, while Talisa's (not in book) pregnancy was too early to really consider -- particularly given how complicated the family tree for House Stark already is.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:22, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

Tyrion calls Trystane Martell the "youngest son" doesn't that mean in the TV universe that there is at least one older son?

http://winteriscoming.net/2013/05/grrm-confirms-red-viper-mace-magnar-being-cast/ ​And Ellaria Sand might be in 4th season and is she in House Marttel?

This will help: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/House_Martell#House_genealogy Ellaria Sand is functionally considered to be Oberyn Martell's wife in all but name; she is a paramour, a professional courtesan, but she's sort of his live-in romantic interest and has four children with him.

Basically the structure is that Doran and Oberyn are brothers, and Doran himself has three children: Arianne, Quentyn, and Trystane. Oberyn complicates things because he has eight bastard daughters by five separate women; just as the Baratheon family tree has a box that says "Various Bastards" it might be easier to make one catch-all box that says "Sand Snakes" (their nickname because all eight use the bastard name Sand). The last four aren't really old enough to be major characters yet and all four are with Ellaria. The older four, meanwhile, are by four separate women: Obara (daughter of an Oldtown whore), Nymeria (daughter of a Volantene noblewoman), Tyene (daughter of a septa, of unspecified origin), and Sarella (daughter of a woman from the Summer Islands who captained her own trading ship). Given that they haven't been introduced yet, just make a box between Oberyn and Ellaria that says "Sand Snakes". Side note: interested in how they'll cast the Dornish characters, hope they don't white-wash them (they look "Mediterranean", could conceivably be played by anything from Italian to Greek to Arab to South Asian, really). Sarella might flat-out be played by a woman of African descent. Only exception is Tyene, they never said where her mother was from, but Tyene is stated to take after her mother and have blonde hair and blue eyes (she doesn't look Dornish).--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:31, June 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * Looks great, but one thing I forgot: can you add in Myrcella Baratheon, putting one of the dashed "betrothal" lines between her and Trystane?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:59, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * But there weren't betrothal shown on the Stark family for during season 2 between Arya to Waldron Frey or season 1 and 2 between Sansa to Joffrey for example.

"Complete Guide to Westeros" on Youtube
While it is laughably easy to find the "Complete Guide to Westeros" online on youtube and such, technically this is illegal, and they have to be bought with the Blu-rays. I don't mind, but HBO will get angry with us if we post links to these illegal uploads. Please remove all of the Complete Guide videos you added.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:24, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

Shireen
Thank you for the much better photo of Shireen (she's one of my favorite characters), that photo needed to be updated for a while.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:33, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

Categorization of Salladhor Saan and similar
Salladhor is categorized in "Characters from Lys". It is redundant to add him to "Characters from the Free Cities". If not, we should add Ned to "Characters from Westeros" even though he's already listed in "Characters from the North". The most specific categorization takes precedence over broader ones.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 03:15, July 1, 2013 (UTC)

House Locke
I am also annoyed they haven't rounded out the other Houses as much (though I understand they don't want to overburden us with information; even up to the events of the Red Wedding, I had friends who I had to explain to them what "House Bolton" was...ugh...). But the renamed Vargo as "Locke" follows their tactic of just yanking an established Westeros-name out of the index when they need to invent characters (i.e. lets call a prostitute "Genna" because that's an establish Westerosi name). But "Locke", the character, is stated to be from House Bolton - and House Locke doesn't directly serve the Boltons in the books. Thus "Locke" the character, isn't enough to establish House Locke just yet. This annoys me deeply, but we're kind of stuck. I even wasted time making my own little map chart of Norther Houses they have or have not introduced so far:

On-screen characters shown, even if minor and nonspeaking, or at least mentioned prominently in dialogue by other characters:


 * Umber
 * Karstark
 * Mormont
 * Manderley
 * Glover
 * Bolton
 * Reed

Loosely established within the TV show continuity, i.e. because their heraldry has been shown.


 * Hornwood (heraldry prominently seen at the Tourney of the Hand)
 * Dustin (mentioned in dialogue by Arya, who also describes their heraldry)
 * Cerwyn (heraldry did appear albeit in a blink or you'll miss moment)
 * Talhart (only briefly mentioned in the HBO viewer's guide map)

Not yet established within the TV series:


 * Locke
 * Flint (all branches, including Flint of Widow's Watch and Flint of Flint's Finger)
 * Ryswell (considering that the "Ryswell-Dustins" as I call them, are really an interlocking family as Lady Barbery Dustin is a widow but was born a Ryswell and is indeed the daughter of the current Lord Ryswell)
 * The Northern Mountain clains (over 40 clans, particularly Wull, Flint, Norrey, Burley, Harclay, Liddle, and Knotts - though they're more civilized than the Hill Tribes of the Vale, and Winterfell always gave them respect by treating them with the full honors of regular "Houses" and using House terminology with them, etc.)

So we're still waiting on Locke, the Flints, the Ryswell-Dustins, and the Northern Mountain Clans. Yes I've got a running list and I'm checking these off. Of course, this is a list of major Houses, not minor Houses that serve other major Houses (i.e. the Marshes are vassals of the Reeds).

I felt bad deleting the House Locke page after the work you put in and felt compelled to write up an explanation here. Sorry about the length.

The short version is: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zxGZYqmo4M Be still my dog of war! I understand your pain. We've all lost someone we love. But we do it my way! We do it my way.] --The Dragon Demands (talk) 04:53, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Greater Good for Admin
I've proposed making you an Administrator; we're dangerously understaffed to deal with the workload we have. Follow the nomination here: Forum:Greater_good_for_Admin.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:44, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

House Allegiance
Out of blind curiosity, what is your House allegiance?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:52, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

My house allegiance is Greyjoy. -- --Greater good (talk) 12:03, August 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh...I actually set up a House Greyjoy userbox a while ago, if you want it. I do see the Iron Islands as loosely analogous to Ireland in the story; well using the rough approximation that "Westeros = Britain", and the Iron Islands are these islands off the coast. The bigger influence is "Vikings", but you've got thousands of years of "Pictish raiders" and whatnot coming in over the Irish Sea, or even actual Vikings once they set up their raiding posts in Dublin, Waterford, Wexford, etc.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 14:06, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

Histories & Lore category
Don't forget that the Histories & Lore category is ONLY for the videos, not the characters.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 18:48, February 19, 2014 (UTC)

Cropping pictures
Some images look better without being cropped into square images. Stannis and Selyse's wedding looks better with the pages holding her veil, while Sam's image in Horn Hill might benefit from him surrounded by all the warriors, and the proper explanation


 * Hey, what YT downloader are you using?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:36, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

Article format
Be mindful of article format and the order of sections. See House Connington and Jon Connington's histories to see what I am talking about please.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 01:56, February 22, 2014 (UTC)

Histories & Lore screencaps
From the Red Keep could you get Baelor's sisters? Rhaena is the one reading from the Seven Pointed Star. Regarding the other two, my guess is that Daena is the one sitting looking kind of "defiant" and the one looking through the window is Elaena.

Could you also get a screencap of the Reed sigil?--Gonzalo84 (talk) 02:55, February 22, 2014 (UTC)

Wikia Game of Thrones Review Videos
Hi, there! I work in marketing for Wikia -- helping to highlight cool things that our communities are doing around anticipated entertainment.

We've got something cool coming up around Game of Thrones and I wondered if you might want to be a part of it. We'll be producing a short video each week that contrasts fan reactions to the series with a TV critic perspective -- the idea is to have a little fun back and forth.

I can give ya more details! If this sounds like something you might be interested in, give me a shout on my wall or email brian@wikia-inc.com. Thanks! Brian 15:15, February 28, 2014 (UTC)

External links icons
You've done an amazing work with them. However, I think this edits should be tagged as minor edits so they don't fill the entire Recent Wiki Activity page.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 22:43, March 29, 2014 (UTC)


 * I just switched to "see all edits" and "see 500 edits" and scanned through them all quickly for anything that wasn't an external link. Though yeah clicking the "minor edit" icon will help clarify stuff.


 * Keep up the good work.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:06, March 29, 2014 (UTC)

Season 2 character pages
I agree fully with your position. Though before deleting them outright I think we should salvage whatever useful detailed information was on them.

Unfortunately we're up to our eyes in work for the Season 4 premiere, so this may have to be an ongoing task. I really need your help on this as I can't do it alone.

Continue this conversation over on the Talk page for deletion candidates, I made a list of all of the pages there: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Category_talk:Candidates_for_deletion#.22Season_2.22_character_pages

I don't think I missed any but I'm not sure.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 03:49, April 5, 2014 (UTC)

Wikia Fan vs. Critic Game of Thrones Update
Hi, Greater Good.

Just wanted to give you an update on the planned episode of Wikia Fan vs. Critic. We've posted our first episode of the series -- about The Walking Dead finale -- here. Check it out! Just a reminder: We're planning to launch this as a recurring weekly series starting with the second week of the new season (we're doing a trivia video the first week) -- it would post to here on the Tuesday or Wednesday after airing. Hope you'll still be available to participate! We'd love to have you on.

You've got my info. :-) Let me know if you're still on and if you have any questions at all! Thanks, sir.

Brian 01:59, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Apology and Explanation
I was behind these past few months due to my thesis, which was very frustrating work; I finally finished a few weeks ago and I've been catching up ever since on the edits and fixes made when I couldn't devote full attention to the wiki. Thankfully, just in time for the Season 4 premiere. Though there are larger ongoing tasks I didn't get to (a complete rewatch from the beginning of Season 1...)

Anyway, I feel I need to apologize to some of you on here and provide an explanation I was reluctant to reveal:

As you may remember, I was getting really irritable late last fall, Draevan13 pointed out this bad behavior, and there was a vote over whether my Admin rights should be taken away (which I survived). Then in a fog of frustration I demanded that Draevan13 be banned (which didn't happen). Also I'm really upset, in hindsight, at how acerbic I was towards QueenBuffy during the vote over my Admin rights.

Well I apologize, but the explanation is this: due to my panic about the massive task of working on my thesis (the culmination of three years of work)...around last September I intentionally stopped taking my prescribed anti-depressants.

I grew afraid that they were making me too bleary to devote my full concentration on the problems in my thesis. And arguably they were, but the price of renewed focus was mounting agitation at minor things, until I was practically going nuclear. The way anti-depressants work, for that matter, isn't just like turning on or off a light switch: it takes days or weeks for the levels to gradually increase or decrease in your body, depending on how much you take. Last September I quit cold turkey, with no attempt to wean myself off gradually (even that have eventually left me agitated)....the result being that more and more left my system as weeks and months passed, until by November-December I was ready to explode.

So when I was acting so irrationally and filled with rage this past fall, it was because I was medically in an unfit mental condition to edit. Combined with the extreme stress of a thesis deadline. That's not me. Frankly, given how much I was exploding in real life as a result, I am surprise I even maintained as much restraint as I did on here.

I've sporadically stopped taking them at past times (which probably led to some of my prior, lesser outbursts) but never for as long as four months.

As to why I have been taking prescribed anti-depressants for some years? Well, watching my medically diagnosed psychopath father repeatedly beating my mother to a pulp in front of me when I was a toddler did not exactly leave me with a cheery disposition.

At any rate by Christmas Break I was with my family and I was having random grumpy outbursts about the thesis (plus being four months off anti-depressants I was kind of nuts). They realized I had obviously stopped taking them (I didn't tell them because they'd have tried to stop me and force me to take them). But they instead begged that I wasn't acting like myself and to start taking them again. Sort of a moot point because by then my thesis was mostly finished. So I started taking anti-depressants again, and while I don't have quite the same level of extreme focus anymore, at this point I was just copy-editing and tidying it up, so the heavy work was behind me anyway.

The irony...it's like Nash in A Beautiful Mind when he keeps trying to stop taking his medication because he can barely focus when he's on them. When I'm off the antidepressants my mental focus is incredible, but it leads me to becoming irrationally frustrated, angry or depressed at seemingly minor things. Brilliance and madness, both halves of the same coin, a crazed father as family legacy, living on the sufferance of others after...ever wonder why I'm such a hardcore Daenerys Targaryen fan?

So at this point, I've been taking anti-depressants again for three months and have no intention of ever stopping. I hope you feel that my behavior has been more "rational" these past three months and more befitting of a Wiki Administrator.

I hope you appreciate that I am deeply humiliated by revealing this private information, however, I realized that objectively, you guys would have no idea why the heck I was lashing out like that last Fall, so I think I really needed to provide you with the explanation that I was medically not fit to edit at the time because I stopped taking anti-depressants.

I look forward to working with you all in Season 4.

(Please delete this comment once you are finished reading it and respond on my talk page if you choose; I don't want it showing up in Google search).--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:38, April 6, 2014 (UTC)

Season 4 premiere
Think of it: only 2 hours until Season 4 begins. Then the floodgates open. To say nothing of the horde of vandals, the massive amount of new work, we'll have dozens or even hundreds of random editors coming on making sloppy edits.

This will consume us, as you remember back in Season 3.

Good to be alongside you guys trying to handle this oncoming horde.

Have no illusions: not all of us will make it through premiere night alive.

The enemy is at the gates.

He who stands with me shall be my brother.

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:10, April 6, 2014 (UTC)

Valyrian sword smith
We need a better quality image of him.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 02:54, April 11, 2014 (UTC)

Young Stark children.
Hi, I was wondering: what part of Histories and Lore do you find the image of Sansa as a young girl, (the image you submitted) Robb as an infant, etc? Egor Shykin (talk) 15:38, April 13, 2014 (UTC)

Young Stark children.
Thanks! :)217.211.206.209 19:46, April 14, 2014 (UTC)

Fan vs. Critic Video
Hey there! The Fan vs. Critic video you helped us with is up here! It turned out great so thank you for participating :) Would you mind if we also shared the video on the main page for the community to see? It could replace either the fan brain or the recap video. Let me know, thanks! Grace (profile)•(talk) 17:17, April 16, 2014 (UTC)

Red Temple of Myr
Could you create an image of the full temple using several screenshots?--Gonzalo84 (talk) 03:20, April 20, 2014 (UTC)

Mole's Town
That's a damn good screenshot of Mole's Town, thank you. I'm juggling five tasks at once on my end, was worrying when I'd even be able to find a halfway decent image.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:38, April 22, 2014 (UTC)


 * Damn good screenshot indeed!--Gonzalo84 (talk) 01:43, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

Othell Yarwyck/Bowen Marsh
Whats the source for this mess? Do you have the link?--Gonzalo84 (talk) 22:24, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

White Walkers' master
I think I made a mess of redirections. I'm sorry.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 20:39, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

Lord Tyrion Lannister
Under House Baratheon of Kings Landing Tyrion Lannister is refered to as 'Lord Tyrion Lannister'. Im not sure if this is strickly true as I dont believe he is currently isnt Lord of anything. I could be mistaken however.

Thanks.

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Tyrion

Rob.m.morris (talk) 16:00, May 23, 2014 (UTC)

Vandalism
Hi, someone vandalized a page and inserted gibberish: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Winter_is_Coming?diff=138637&oldid=134127

Please take care of it, thanks.

Joss Stilwood
Do you know for certain it was him in the last episode? --Gonzalo84 (talk) 18:21, June 2, 2014 (UTC)

House Bulwer
Check out the article (and the category) and see the changes I made. You have to keep those in mind whenever making new house articles and categories.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 02:33, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

Timeline policy discussion
Please give your views on this: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:GoTWiki_Small_Council_meeting_1:_Timeline_and_Current_Date

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:55, June 6, 2014 (UTC)

Need your position on this.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:32, June 11, 2014 (UTC)


 * The other Admins have voted, but I can't enact this without you voicing yourself too.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:38, June 15, 2014 (UTC)

Family tree image
Could you update Jon Snow's family tree image with this new picture I uploaded (have no access to the family tree template for House Stark)? Thanks! – The Snow Prince (talk) 09:54, June 7, 2014 (UTC)

Updates
Hello. If you have a moment, do you think it's worth updating this with "Deceased"? http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Familytree/Ygritte and also wondering if you'd be adverse to other discussion about other updates in general (no pressure, just tell me to bugger off)? Noticed you're also in Ireland which is neat. Ardilaun (talk) 16:53, June 9, 2014 (UTC)

Mag the Mighty
Hi. Neil Fingleton is playing  Mag the Mighty according to his CV: http://www.spotlight.com/interactive/cv/1/M147579.html

Ian Whyte is the giant from season 3. Carninator (talk) 18:05, June 9, 2014 (UTC)


 * Then Ian Whyte is the second giant.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 18:53, June 9, 2014 (UTC)

Mammoth image
Did you brighten it in Photoshop? If you did please use the original.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 18:53, June 9, 2014 (UTC)

Sigils in battle and war infoboxes
In wikipedia, which we have used as our model, the flags go to the left side of the name.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 04:20, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

In-laws
The in-laws of your spouse are not your in-laws, you don't need to keep listing that in infoboxes. For example, Edmure Tully is Eddard Stark's brother-in-law through Catelyn Tully, but that doesn't make Catelyn's sister-in-law Roslin Frey also Eddard's sister-in-law.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:55, June 16, 2014 (UTC)

Season 4 finale
The Season 4 finale is upon us. The internet is going to explode after this one, on par with or surpassing the Red Wedding or Ned Stark's death. Enough traffic that the site itself might slow to a crawl, much less all of the vandals or random anonymous editors who need to tinker with it.

The hordes are closing in.

This is where we hold them.

Remember this day.

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:52, June 16, 2014 (UTC)

The Snow Prince for Admin
I have started a vote on the matter right here. Your opinion would be welcome.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 20:18, June 16, 2014 (UTC)

Legitimization image
The image has a white bar on the right side. Please crop it.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 03:40, June 19, 2014 (UTC)

Updates
Hello again. The family trees for Houses Bolton, Stark and Tully ought to be updated after the Black Wedding. Would you? I have the code it would take less than 14 seconds if that matters. Ardilaun (talk) 17:13, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

Seastone Chair
Instead of that cropped image, which is a little confusing, I think the full screenshot would look better and be easier to understand.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 20:24, June 22, 2014 (UTC)

Lothston sigil for Danelle Lothston
Perhaps you should upload a new and cropped mini-image.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 18:53, June 23, 2014 (UTC)

hi i live in dublin aswell Benzaco (talk) 00:24, July 3, 2014 (UTC)

Which island?
Out of pure curiosity: if you're a Greyjoy supporter, which of the seven Iron Islands would you be from?


 * Pyke - capital
 * Great Wyk - largest, only one with some families who gain more wealth from the land than the sea
 * Old Wyk - oldest and most prestigious
 * Harlaw - second largest (still fairly large), but the wealthiest and most heavily populated
 * Orkmont - the old capital from the days of House Hoare
 * Blacktyde - the only island with a small Faith of the Seven presence
 * Saltcliffe - (what goes on in Saltcliffe?)

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:53, July 10, 2014 (UTC)

Probably Old Wyk

Greater Good 00:57, July 10, 2014 (UTC)

Sand Snakes
Making the infobox reversed Martell-bastard heraldry icon link to the Sand Snakes article was a good idea; I hadn't thought of that.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:14, July 16, 2014 (UTC)

Freys vs Baelish
Please weigh in on this: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:GoTWiki_Small_Council_meeting_2:_Freys_or_Baelish_rule_the_Riverlands%3F?t=20140718104215

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:26, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

First week of school
I apologize for being in "standby mode" since September began; it was the first week of school and I had to get a handle on that in real life. I'm back now and catching up on the past 700 posts - then to finally get back to my "To Do" list.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:59, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

Please read immediately
Please read this immediately: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:WinterIscoming.net_is_plagiarizing_Game_of_Thrones_Wiki

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:26, September 27, 2014 (UTC)

Please e-mail me so we can discuss things privately. If you don't want to use your main real-life e-mail make a dummy account for wiki purposes as I have. My wiki e-mail is TheDragonDemands@hotmail.com.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:55, September 30, 2014 (UTC)

Vote of No Confidence against Adam Whitehead (Werthead)
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Vote_of_No_Confidence_in_Adam_Whitehead_(Werthead)

Whatever sympathy I had for him died when I read his defiant responses. This is long but please read through every line.

Adam's defenses basically came down to:


 * 1 - he officially considers his writings on his private blog to take precedence over contributing here, and we should accept that...even as he is sent to convention panels hosted by Wikia itself to represent this wiki.
 * 2 - Well, we were doing such a good job of handling things that he couldn't think of anything more to contribute (despite our pervasive complaints asking him to help, or that we kept asking him to do specific tasks like re-skin the wiki...which he failed to do throughout Season 3, until we had to cobble one together ourselves. Bureaucrat-level tasks that only head could have done and which he could not possibly have assumed we were "handling" without him.
 * 3 - Adam actually claimed that he wasn't contributing that much due to the airing schedule in England being a few days behind the USA. He said that we usually get so many things done in the gap before he sees it a few days later that he can't think of anything to write. Ignoring that fact that two of our other Administrators live in the British Isles. Moreover this claim made no defense whatsoever against his lack of contributions during the off-seasons! (the Season 2-3 break, 3-4 break, and now three months into the 4-5 break). He also said that he hasn't been helping out with vandals "because he lives in England", and most vandalism is concentrated around new episode airings. No...Vandalism occurs at any hour of the day! And during the off-season!

...did Adam ever ask YOU to contact him using his e-mail or Westeros.org's forums? Did he ever even give you his e-mail? How many times have you tried to contact him via his Talk page? In which case, if he doesn't prefer that method...why didn't he clearly explain "contact me using my e-mail" the first time we made such complaints, over a year ago? How could we have?

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:08, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

The current situation is this: the Wikia Staff say they can't remove Adam, that's simply up to us. Depending on how the other 5 Admins vote in the forum thread I started. Wikia Staff has no control over that. With no repercussions from them if we vote to remove Adam's Administratorship, and/or decry his inactivity. I already voted to remove his Adminship, so that leaves the four of you. I've spoken with you each via e-mail to know that you guys either didn't actively support him, or said in as many words that we need new leadership.

If I die, I die. But before that, I'll live. The show is going to end in three or four seasons, and I realized I couldn't keep going on in what time remains with Adam claiming credit for all the work going on here, when his activity fell down to ridiculous levels. If I lose everything for that - it happens. But I couldn't keep going on being taken advantage of like that. I'd rather go out on my own terms. Well, read through his responses and my responses in the forum thread thoroughly. I will respect your decisions.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:35, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

Vote for new Bureaucrats
The Wikia Staff said that even though Werthead is stepping down voluntarily, we need to have an open vote to determine who will now be promoted to Bureaucrat status. Please check it out: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Vote_for_New_Bureaucrats  --The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:38, October 13, 2014 (UTC)

Wikia project
Hey Greater good. I sent you an email yesterday about a new Wikia project related to Game of Thrones. The subject line had "We Want YOU!" in it. Did you get that email? Are you interested in joining the project? Please let me know by the end of tomorrow (Thursday October 23rd) if you are interested. Thanks! - Brandon Rhea (talk) 03:04, October 23, 2014 (UTC)

Coins
I looked these up: those Shire Post coins aren't even accurate to the books, most of them, and in some cases contradict the TV show. They're fanon products, nothing official. See more here: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Shire_Post_Coins_are_not_official_canon_for_anything

Annoyingly, though, HBO's Online Store is still selling them to the unwary.

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 04:03, November 16, 2014 (UTC)

Telltale images
Hey Greater good. Just a quick heads up; Images from the new game need to be tagged with "TelltaleImage", rather than "HBOImage", and categorised with Image (Telltale Game Series). Do you think you'll be getting the game yourself?--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 11:56, November 24, 2014 (UTC)

OK, noted. I'm not as big a gamer as I used to be. I haven't updated my console since PS2! But I have a friend who is a big gamer and a big Game of Thrones fan, so I'll get to play it when he gets it. By the way, since we're including things from the Telltale Games series, can we also include things from the Cyanide game? --Greater Good (talk) 12:21, November 24, 2014 (UTC)


 * The Cyanide game is non-canon, so no, I'm afraid not. It was just a crappy cash-cow piece of merchandise, not worth bothering with.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 12:36, November 24, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I'm with you on that. --Greater Good (talk) 14:43, November 24, 2014 (UTC)


 * You might want to chime in with your opinion here.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 14:51, November 24, 2014 (UTC)

Image error
Hi, I have been advised by the staff at wiki to leave a message here regarding a wikia page for Game of Thrones which shows an image of Anna Keen tagged as Isabella Steinbarth. Please remove the image. Many thanks.31.49.171.189 14:54, January 19, 2015 (UTC)

Appointing new Admins for Season 5
Please check this out: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:GoTWiki_Small_Council_meeting_5:_Wild_Card_Day

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:38, January 30, 2015 (UTC)

Episode 2 Mainpage Changes
Hello,

This is Knakveey from Wikia's game team. I wanted to reach out to some of the active admins with a request in regards to the main page for the upcoming Telltale: GoT episode 2 that is due out soon. This is of course a request and you can decline to have any changes made, but you might find some of the suggestions helpful for the wiki.

- Would it be possible to have the latest fannotation trailers highlighted on the mainpage slider? I know it is currently under "featured media", but it would be great to have it in the slider too.

- What are your thoughts about adding a "Telltale" link under the "Episodes" tab in the nav bar? It would allow users to access articles in regards to the game more efficiently.

- We thought it would be nice to add a right rail unit that highlights the most recent game episode/game character/crucial choice, etc. This would be a new unit on the page and it would be designed by our artists here. They would make something that is slick and will not deviate from the overall look of the wiki. This design will also be sent to you before proceeding so we can make sure it's something that you like and are happy with. Alternatively, what about using the existing "Featured Article" section to highlight the current episode?

If you prefer, I can also post this on the forum/small council and repeat what I have mentioned above.

Again, you do not need to do any of these things, but it is something we think can help improve traffic to the page and increase it's reputation for being a great database for all things Game of Thrones.

Thanks for your time,

Knakveey (talk) 22:36, February 2, 2015 (UTC)

Dunk and Egg
Re this image: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/File:Dunk_and_Egg.png

If Egg is the bad one on the right, I'm not sure if he's actually in Kingsguard armor.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:14, March 3, 2015 (UTC)

Video Programming Opportunity
Hey there! We're planning an upcoming video about Game of Thrones that we wondered if you'd consider participating in. Let us know if it's something you'd like to do, and we'll get back to you with more information. Thank you for your time! :)
 * http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/xraydeltaone/images/b/b2/Siggy4.png @ (profile)•(talk) 21:14, March 4, 2015 (UTC)

MediaWiki color scheme template
Okay, I finally got onto updating the color scheme of the nav templates, had to ask XD1 for help updating the new color scheme (instead of Blue and Grey (ugh), it's now Wood Brown and Beige - both blue links and black text will show up better against this).

The Appearances/Credits templates needed to be updated by hand because unlike the others they use a grid, but that was easy enough.

Only one that might still need updating is the House information Navbox - it uses three vertical columns so it's different from the others - managed to change the title bar to Wood Brown, but I couldn't get the background to Beige without making an ugly grid pattern, so I left it neutral.

At any rate, writing to inform that the next time we ever change the entire color scheme, the way to do it is by playing with the CSS code on this page: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Wikia.css

If we remember this, next time we won't go a couple of weeks with the old color scheme in the templates because we don't know how to change it :) --The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:57, March 12, 2015 (UTC)

Hedge knight, Aemond
We have to avoid making near-direct quotes from AWOIAF. We don't legally own that stuff, it would be impolite. It's a useful guide to double-check facts on AWOIAF, but we've got to use our own wording as best as possible. Someone already complained on the "Aemond" page.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 03:11, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

OK, sorry. Didn't know.Greater Good (talk) 03:26, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

Hi,

I was editing the House Reed page on Histories and Lore and managed to delete the lot. Really sorry about that. It was due to a browser error that was outside my control. You can hopefully revert it back to before I edited it last?

Thanks and sorry again.

L3rimm (talk) 15:55, April 20, 2015 (UTC) Brian (l3rimm)

Question
Are we not adding the locations category to geography pages? I.e., The Stormlands, The North, etc. I was adding a couple, but didn't want to continue without asking. 19:52, April 20, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, we are.--Greater Good (talk) 21:22, April 20, 2015 (UTC)


 * Oh ok, good. Thanks. :) 23:44, April 20, 2015 (UTC)

Letting the Admins know
I am soooo tired of writing out message after message about the image policy to users who don't properly upload pictures here. I have created a template, that we can use when telling editors about our policy when it comes to images. ImagePolicyFirstWarning If you see wording that may need to be changed, or anything added- please feel free to make those changes. 18:39, May 19, 2015 (UTC)

Night's King
Please weigh in on this: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Night%27s_King#Official_vote_to_revert_back_to_split_articles

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:58, June 10, 2015 (UTC)

user:Hatred101
Please keep an eye out for any editors who may start verbally harassing users or admins. Hatred101 is giving us trouble, and has even harassed me on my other wiki. Please promptly block anybody who fits this behavior, with no warning. Thanks. 19:31, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

Season 6
We keep hearing great news that Season 6 will actually include the large ironborn subplot from book 4, which was feared to be cut entirely for a while -- they even just officially cast Euron Greyjoy!--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:04, September 4, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I'm pumped as hell. Though the actor is a LOT younger than I was expecting. I thought for sure that Ian McShane would be playing Euron.--Greater Good (talk) 21:34, September 4, 2015 (UTC)


 * Well we've doubted a lot of actors before seeing them in full costume and in character. I always hold off judgement until I see actual footage. --The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:55, September 4, 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm not doubting him, I was just surprised that they picked someone so young.--Greater Good (talk) 22:05, September 4, 2015 (UTC)

Image deletion
Hey Greater good. You may have noticed in the recent changes feed that I deleted an image you uploaded to Game of Thrones Wiki: File:Kristen Gillespie.jpg. I wanted to let you know why this deleted.

This past Thursday, September 24th, we received a DMCA takedown notice alleging that the image constituted a violation of the copyright of the image's owner. If you're not familiar with the DMCA, it stands for Digital Millennium Copyright Act, a federal copyright law regulating copyright online. If a rights holder has a good faith belief that their copyright is being infringed, they can send a DMCA takedown notice to the host of the image. In this case, Wikia is the host. When we receive a properly completed takedown notice, we are legally required to remove the allegedly infringing material, as we did with the images here.

This copyright notice came from the subject of the image. In addition to the required elements of a takedown notice, the notice also said that the image was interfering with the subject's education. As an actress, the subject of the photo also has the right to control their image in a professional capacity.

If you, in turn, have a good faith belief that the images were removed in error or through misidentification, you are welcome to send us a DMCA Counter-Notice. The process for that, as well as more information about the DMCA process, can be found here. We can also send you the full DMCA takedown notice that we received if you would like to see it. An abridged version can be found here.

This was a lot of information, so please feel free to let me know if you have any questions about any of this. Thanks! - Brandon Rhea (talk) 14:32, September 29, 2015 (UTC)

Greater Good: I guess this DMCA means it really was the actress who e-mailed you (I wanted to try to get some confirmation before moving forward...). Well, at this point e-mail her a response saying that we deleted the article on her and removed her name entirely from any article in the wiki, changing it to just "uncredited".--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:21, September 29, 2015 (UTC)


 * OK, I've sent her an email saying that we honored her wishes by deleting the image and the article and removed any mention of her name from the Wiki.--Greater Good (talk) 20:47, September 29, 2015 (UTC)

IMDB cast listings
THANKS for getting to the IMDB listings for minor cast that appear in various episodes as Soldiers/Peasants, Etc. Needs researching and a lot has fallen through the cracks.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:04, October 14, 2015 (UTC)

I saw you putting up cast pages and thought this might help: It's a Vanity Fair article about the new Dothraki actors (one or two weren't in the premiere and, fair warning, it's a body gaze/fluff piece) HouseWylde (talk) 00:11, April 26, 2016 (UTC)

Shield icons
How do I uploaded shield icons to http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Image_(Main_Shield)? I tried with House Cuy but I think I created a separate page for that instead of just adding a main shield along with all of the others already in place.

Ser Shield McShield (talk) 07:09, January 4, 2016 (UTC) Ser Shield McShield

You don't upload stuff to categories; you upload the file to the wiki, then you add categories to it on the Edit page.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:56, January 4, 2016 (UTC)

Two Pages
== two pics =

I added two pictures... and I am proud of those two! I wish I had HBO (for those who aren't aware, I am a psychology student and I am basically broke lol) and could edit more freely. lol I hope you know, even if I am not around often, I LOVE this Wiki and I am here if you need anything, I will always stop in and check on things! I can always be a mediator lol. You guys are the best! 05:26, April 30, 2016 (UTC)

Template:AWOIAF
Hello!

I would like to ask if you used a bot, when you posted the AWOIAF-template on every page on the GoT Wikia and which type of bot would that be. I would like to do the same with the Transformers Wikia and the tfwiki.net and it would be great to use a bot instead of posting every link manually on a page. -- Cyanide3 17:16, May 20, 2016 (UTC)

Images
Going through all the uncategorized images, I noticed a lot of yours haven't been categorized. Please remember to add the categories at the bottom of the images. I know it can be easy to move fast and forget... but it just makes more work for me. Thanks. 21:59, June 29, 2016 (UTC)

Idea
Just had an idea. What about making a category for pages that says "Image needs brightening"? I am going through so many, but I'd have a lot of help if people could add that category for me. That way I can brighten (or someone else can), the images so they are better seen. This could be infobox or images in the synopsis.. we'd be able to tell which it is. What do you think? Thanks. 23:30, July 10, 2016 (UTC)

Brightened image
I have recently added this to our image policy:


 * Dark images need to be categorized with "Image (Brighter image needed)", yet ONLY admin's have the rights to actually brighten the image itself.

Just wanted to give you a heads up, if you see just any user trying to edit the images and tweak them. It could easily get out of hand. There is one user that has helped me and has done a good job. I will give her the opportunity to continue, since I've seen her work and trust her. Anyway, just wanted to past this on. 21:20, August 7, 2016 (UTC)

Knights of the Vale H&L
Do you have a link?--Gonzalo84 (talk) 16:21, November 17, 2016 (UTC)

Starring Cast: She
Hello Greater good,

Could you change Shae's appearance from 4x08 to 4x06 on the "Starring cast members" page? I'm not allowed to do it. Thank you in advance

Bas2804 (talk) 14:52, December 19, 2016 (UTC)

New background actors articles
I think we should only capitalize proper knowns when listing their roles (like "Tully guard" not "Tully Guard").--Gonzalo84 (talk) 15:51, January 26, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for rounding out these background actor articles.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:35, January 27, 2017 (UTC)

Catch the Throne
....er...this is complicated.

Yes, I am aware that HBO wanted to "reach out to a black African-American audience" for the show by, rather than including more black characters in the show, releasing a hip-hop fan mixtape.

I consider this so utterly, hilariously offensive - as did many commentators - that I don't want to dignify it by giving them an article on it in the wiki.

It's not actually "from" the TV show either. By definition it's...a fan merchandise product. We don't have articles on every pillow or wall-poster they release.

It just...really struck me the wrong way, the whole thing.

I don't know. Your thoughts?

I'd only consider putting it back in if we have like...a "Criticism" section at the bottom.

Let me re-iterate: "We'll pander to African-Americans who don't like the show for not having many black characters in it, by releasing a hip-hop album of fan songs about it". Wow.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:26, January 27, 2017 (UTC)