User talk:Xanderen

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Enjoy your editing and please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! Gonzalo84 (talk) 09:08, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

Timeline
Official wiki stance at the moment is that one TV season equals one year; that appears to be the principle they were trying to do, due to child actors aging. Yes, splitting book 3 in half made Season 4 drag out...only for Season 5 to suddenly condense a lot of the timeline.

Nonetheless that's what we're following until decided otherwise.

Er, or at least, continue discussion of this on the Talk page of the "Timeline" article, instead of specifically reverting the Olyvar page.

Admittedly I think the TV writers only half-heartedly followed this rule, but it's what we're stuck with.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 06:33, March 2, 2016 (UTC)


 * Okay, I have quite a lot to say about this, but don't have the time right now. Xanderen (talk) 11:35, March 3, 2016 (UTC)

I admit it's very screwed up. But for years now, we were functioning under a system of having no in-universe sense of time whatsoever because the writers were playing coy about it - intentionally not making frequent updates so they didn't have to waste time checking their work. But after we figured out that they were generally following a one season equals one year principle - just not following their own rule well - we went with that for a lack of better options.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:56, March 3, 2016 (UTC)

Euron and the deed
I don't think Euron is doing the deed himself - I think he's at one end of a rope bridge watching as Jaqen does the deed.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:11, March 8, 2016 (UTC)


 * Could be... in a flashback, you mean? I'm not even bummed about the physical differences to be honest. As long as the performance is on point! He's my favorite character from the books, and pretty much the reason I registered an account here this year. Xanderen (talk) 23:22, March 8, 2016 (UTC)

(They may have wanted to avoid confusion with Beric Dondarrion)

Actually I think it's going to be the Prologue cold open scene, but who knows. ...Why don't you have a Greyjoy userbox?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:27, March 8, 2016 (UTC)


 * I was thinking in terms of the timeline, but yeah... I guess if Littlefinger can have a jetpack, Jaqen can have a broomstick, or something. I'm not that keen on the Greyjoys in general, just Euron. He's the ultimate wild card. Xanderen (talk) 23:45, March 8, 2016 (UTC)

Heraldry
No matter how accurate our reproductions are, we're striving to use direct copies of official heraldry patterns whenever possible - albeit this is usually limited to a dozen or so Houses that they've made good quality promo materials for (Stark, Lannister, Targaryen, etc.) Greyjoy's a bit limited but we'll stick with what we've got for now.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:22, March 11, 2016 (UTC)

Heraldry Consistency

We are both striving for consistency for the shields.

The Heraldry template will automatically size the shield to the correct size so we don't need to have both a Main-Shield file and an Icon-Shield file. Using two different files means we would have twice the work to make them consistent. But if we only use the Main-Shield through-out the wiki, whenever a shield gets uploaded - such as when you upload an updated shield with a different shape - it will automatically flow through across the wiki. That would ensure that the shields stay consistent now and in the future.

Regards Ser Shield McShield (talk) 00:26, March 12, 2016 (UTC)

Please stop what you're doing. You have picked the absolute worst time to initiate a major overhaul of the heraldry templates - the weekend the Blu-ray release comes out. Right now we're busy dissecting the "Histories & Lore" videos.

You asked us for consistent rules about how to utilize heraldry (either exact copies or approximations) - if you asked about this, don't go ahead and make the change anyway.

You've done absolutely nothing wrong, things are just hectic today.

Dealing with the heraldry stuff is on the To-Do list, I'll get back to this by tomorrow when I have more computer time.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:27, March 14, 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, I asked for some consistency... your reply in the chat room was (as you barely ever bother to respond to your talk page), and I quote - "You'll need to work this out for yourself"! How exactly is what I've been doing stopping you, or anyone else working on the H&L segments? If you cast your eye around you'll see that I did a fair amount myself.


 * You should have stopped to think before posting this. Take into a account for a second the shear amount of time and effort that I've put into this over the weekend. Not just this, but also creating new resized images for the portals (which, by your own admission, you didn't know how to do). This is time consuming, and massively tedious work, but I did it to help the wiki. I was also writing up new content for the game side of the wiki, which is frankly lanking...


 * To be honest, I'm not sure how I feel about contributing here anymore... if this is how people get treated. You're probably aware of this, but this place has a really bad reputation in the Ice and Fire community. Anyway, congrats for driving away another good-faith contributor. Xanderen (talk) 06:55, March 14, 2016 (UTC)

I'm very sorry. Yeah I posted that as I was running out to do something else, and in the back of my mind all day I was in fact thinking "ack, I should have just dropped what I was doing to work on that, I've been stringing him along for too long". I'm trying to work on half a dozen things at any one moment and didn't want to stop to have to work on this but you're right there will never be a "good" time, so I'll get right on it....--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:13, March 14, 2016 (UTC)

Just my two cents but I think the work that Xanderen did over the weekend looks great. I hope you stick around.Ser Shield McShield (talk) 18:05, March 14, 2016 (UTC)

As do I, as do I. This was entirely my fault - albeit, I hope you understand, to just getting buried with work. Yes I ignored the problem for too long. I'm in chat all day please drop in. Working on this now...--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:07, March 14, 2016 (UTC)

Would you mind if I started updated the mini-shields on all the battle pages? It looks like you did a couple but stopped.

Also, I was going to use the main-shield files unless you really want me to use the shield-icon files.

Finally, could you create both the Free Folks and Second Sons shields? They are on used on HBO own website so I think we should use them here as well.

Regards Ser Shield McShield (talk) 21:08, March 23, 2016 (UTC)


 * Yeah, of course, you don't need my permission. I kept running into protected pages, which is why I stopped. I was also hoping that The Dragon Demands might give some response to my feedback on Talk:Heraldry... I feel a little unsure of if I/we should proceed without direction? I don't mind about the file size if you're sure about it. Xanderen (talk) 22:26, March 23, 2016 (UTC)


 * And yes to the requests - they were on the list of things for TDD to review, so just waiting for him to reply. Xanderen (talk) 22:28, March 23, 2016 (UTC)


 * Sounds good. I'm going to use Main-Shield for everything. I think it will save time in the future if we ever need to update the shields again (though at this point, I would be reluctant to change it again, especially since the new ones look great).


 * On waiting for TDD, I would start with the shields that have don't have any controvery such as widlings and Second Sons and probably Faith of the Seven. My vote is to have a separate shield for Faith of Seven instead of using the Faith Militant shield for all followers since the Faith Militant has a distinct role in the series.  Ser Shield McShield (talk) 01:09, March 24, 2016 (UTC)


 * I think that regular Faith members should have no heraldry (as they wouldn't in-universe). A shield implies they are part of a military order, which the Faith Militant are. Frankly I'm annoyed that we're still waiting. Xanderen (talk) 11:23, March 25, 2016 (UTC)

Please reply
Can you please get back to me and SSMcS about the heraldry? We'v been waiting two weeks now, and I personally have been waiting over a month for your feedback about the portals (which you promised you would give...). It's okay to have better things to do, but you seem to have endless time when it comes to "playing chess" with ArticXiongmao. Some basic responses is all we're looking for so we can move forward with these projects and get them finished before season six starts. I really can't see any reason why I, or anyone else should bother when you're not willing to take five minutes to respond to your own talk page. The new infoboxes that Wikia set up are still malfunctioning, by the way. Xanderen (talk) 11:38, March 25, 2016 (UTC)

Ack. You're right to be annoyed and I'm aware of how late this was. I moved this up to my primary focus but then I wasn't actively editing much for several days - note in my contributions tab that all updates to the Season 5 Histories & Lore just dropped off (which is what I want to get to after this).

Actually today was when I was finally going to have a "catch up day" and get onto it.

Other things I can't discuss in public, I'll be in Chatroom all day.

Working on it this instant.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:29, March 25, 2016 (UTC)


 * I too easily got distracted by a side argument, srry.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:59, March 27, 2016 (UTC)

Front page Houses navbox
Okay I've loaded up your update. The frontpage Navbox of course won't be a full listing of ALL Houses and heraldry (there are overboven how little developed they are in the TV show, it isn't worth cluttering up the navbox even more....)

I didn't know about including Dayne at first but A - they've got a cool sigil, B - We'll get more of Arthur Dayne next season, 3 - they sure as hell SHOULD have introduced other Dornish Houses more prominently by this point.

Two minor points:

1 - I eventually want to remove Hornwood to put in Stokeworth; Hornwood is barely mentioned while Stokeworths appear on-screen (and hopefully will get more of their subplot in Season 6). YES, this necessitates choices about their heraldry artwork, that's a separate question (basically I think the TV producers based the embroidery version of the sigil on the fanart used on AWOIAF itself, and either way the lamb holding a cub is in the exact same position, and we've "cheated" with our own fan reproductions deduced from the animated Histories & Lore...so I'm thinking of just flat out using the one from AWOIAF on a provisional basis).

2 - The colors used in the Forrester heraldry on the portal icon are a bit off compared to the one on their main page, or even the Karstark one also in the portal (which also has a white-on-black color scheme). Seems a bit grey-ish. Please try to correct the color as best as possible (not expecting a miracle).

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:29, March 25, 2016 (UTC)


 * Yeah, of course we can't fit them all in. The new ones I added were rally just a stop-gap measure until you made a final decision. Although, yes, I thought Dayne would be cool, seeing as Ser Arthur is being introduced this year. I had the same thought about Hornwood; they will be part of the Battle of the Bastards, as will Cerwyn... maybe a better choice considering they are mentioned by name. If we opt to develop a separate portal for the game there would be two extra slots, as we would (presumably) remove Forrester and Whitehill from the main one.


 * As for the colors... I created the portals using the main shield files, so the colors are identical. I'm not sure what more I can do. Xanderen (talk) 09:47, March 26, 2016 (UTC)

Color is off in the main Forrester shield...this is a separate issue...If I had to choose, from casting reports I'd go with Cerwyn before Hornwood; indications we'll get named characters from Cerwyn. In the near future I want to switch to Stokeworth....though we don't know if their subplot will appear next season, it's fairly important, they're more prominent than Hornwood, etc....well they're placeholders for the last few slots.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:56, March 27, 2016 (UTC)


 * Okay, that's cool. Xanderen (talk) 08:11, March 27, 2016 (UTC)

Frontpage Seven Kingdoms navbox
I've loaded up your artwork maps for the Seven Kingdoms portal on the front page -- excellent work!

One minor thing is that I added back in the "Westeros" map and icon. It doesn't really fit well (the continent is much taller than it is wide) -- but the reason I put it in there in the first place is because otherwise....we really don't have a navigation icon for just "Westeros" in the frontpage dropdown navboxes :) -- and that seemed the best place to put one.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:37, March 25, 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks, glad you like it. Of course, I can make a new Westeros icon... I was just waiting to see if you liked the art style. Xanderen (talk) 09:47, March 26, 2016 (UTC)


 * Try a resized Westeros icon but just use the map file, not extra artwork or anything - the "continent" is a landmass, geography/climate, knows no boundaries.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:57, March 27, 2016 (UTC)


 * Okay. Xanderen (talk) 08:11, March 27, 2016 (UTC)

Beyond the Wall frontpage navbox
Overall good, one or two points:

1 - yeah...the Gift isn't really recognizable on a map of that scale, better to go with the screenshot.

2 - The squared-off image for "Children of the Forest" is too high, it cuts off her neck while leaving a lot of space above her head; please try to shift that down so it shows her face more clearly.

3 - Wildlings...I rather like the image of Tormund when he's talking to Jon. For a small image of such size the group shot of the wildling settlement might be a bit difficult to see. Any way to square off the Tormund image?

I'm adding the whole thing into the front page now, please just get back to me on the Children of the Forest/wildlings things.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:46, March 25, 2016 (UTC)


 * Sure, I'll make those adjustments. Xanderen (talk) 09:47, March 26, 2016 (UTC)

Correct in assuming that the Locations navbox images are still a work in progress?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:53, March 27, 2016 (UTC)


 * Correct. Xanderen (talk) 08:11, March 27, 2016 (UTC)

Heraldry shape
I mentioned this quickly on another page before; yes, ack, I didn't realize: the pointed shape is to emulate the way they're written in the Book of Brothers - yes that shall be our official shape. I'll declare this officially on the "Heraldry" Talk page.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:40, March 26, 2016 (UTC)


 * Excellent. Xanderen (talk) 08:11, March 27, 2016 (UTC)

List
I've caught up with the past 2 weeks worth of "Recent Changes" edits except for yours - now I'm reading through your Contributions tab since March 12th.

To speed up the process, can you please make a bulleted list of every Heraldry-related task I haven't gotten to yet?

I also probably need to make a more formal listing on the Heraldry Talk page of sigils we do or do not have and in what condition.

...ah, you've already got a sandbox page list going....

Work continues...--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:40, March 26, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, I did something similar in responding to your points on Talk:Heraldry. Do you want a complete list of heraldry related tasks (as for as I can tell)? Xanderen (talk) 08:11, March 27, 2016 (UTC)

I'm caught up and focusing on this now; please list any and all current concerns on the Heraldry talk page, I want to get this finished.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:52, April 5, 2016 (UTC)

Shield size
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Gonzalo84?diff=prev&oldid=236286

er....from what I've heard from Ser Shield McShield, there's no reason to use smaller shields - they resize automatically. Try just using the big ones and see if they resize as expected - hopefully we won't need to go through the extra work of using the smaller ones.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 03:01, March 27, 2016 (UTC)


 * That's fine, I also realized that the small shields are unnecessary. Xanderen (talk) 08:11, March 27, 2016 (UTC)

Ramsay video game page
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/User:Xanderen/Ramsay_Snow_(game)

This looks good, but merging video game info was an ongoing task, I don't know how much we can get to in the next 30 days before the Season 6 premiere -- Season 2 of the game won't be out for a while.

DO NOT delete this or anything it's good work, but the video game is a whole huge task on the "To Do" list, and not an imminent priority -- before that we're going through the Season 5 Histories & Lore, cleaning up some of the Free Cities/Meereen stuff, hopefully tidy up the character pages (ack), etc. etc. Frankly we're hitting crunch time.

Our original plan was to just merge the stuff - not keep "Ramsay video game" separate from "Ramsay" pages. At the least you can move some of the behind the scenes production stuff into the main page like the thing of Rheon recording.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 03:06, March 27, 2016 (UTC)


 * Cool. I'm in no particular hurry to get this published, but I would like to get it finished soon. Xanderen (talk) 08:11, March 27, 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Heraldry
Okay, cool - I made another update to the Talk:Heraldry page which I think addresses every question, systematically. Good job on all concerns. Yes, the pointed heraldry is now standard due to imitating the Book of Brothers.

I think I addressed every question you had. Unless I'm wrong, I'm now moving forward to the next task on the To-Do list (barring specific questions), dealing with the Season 5 Histories & Lore...--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:36, April 8, 2016 (UTC)


 * Excellent. I'll just have my breakfast, then I'll read through it all. - 08:03, April 10, 2016 (UTC)

Excellent work on Forrester and Crakehall shield recoloring; problem solved.

One small issue: this is the heraldry banner icon; Forrester also needs a new centered image to use in the front page navbox. Just copy-paste/center, should be straightforward, but leaving it for you to do as you see fit.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:16, April 11, 2016 (UTC)


 * Done. - 12:49, April 13, 2016 (UTC)


 * Let's see...Corbray, Strong, new Dondarrion sigils also great. As are Second Sons and Brotherhood Without Banners.


 * A new user called "TumSat" also recently uploaded artwork, properly shaped, for Hoare, Stokeworth, and Manwoody. What do you think of them? Of these, Hoare and Manwoody are basically taken from AWOIAF...and I don't mind because the TV animated version copied Hoare pretty well; meanwhile...the Stokeworth sigil seen on Lollys's dress matches the AWOIAF fanart *exactly*, to the point that I think the embroiderer directly copied the design, in which case it's a good "approximation" either way. So those two seem serviceable to me.


 * The Manwoody one seems a bit off though - the approximation has only three points on the crown, but the actual version (which have have decent behind the scenes closeups for) has five.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:14, April 19, 2016 (UTC)


 * I guess it's up to you... I left the Stokeworth one in place, as you said you were contemplating using the AWoIaF version, and it's a fairly good resemblance anyway (maybe some modification is in order). However I don't think we should use the other two. The image we have of the Hoare sigil from H&L isn't clear enough to make a truly accurate replica, and the Manwoody one is distinctly different, as you say. Allowing them would essentially be like saying all bets are off, and any artwork will do... a bad precedent IMO. - 20:51, April 19, 2016 (UTC)

...Well okay I'll take down both Manwoody and Hoare.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:05, April 19, 2016 (UTC)


 * Unlike House Haigh, which is identical to the AWoIaF version. - 21:20, April 19, 2016 (UTC)

New Royce heraldry excellent, consider it finished.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 13:21, April 24, 2016 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I thought you'd like that one more. - 13:27, April 24, 2016 (UTC)

Greyjoy heraldry
Was there a problem with the Greyjoy heraldry or something? Mentioned that there are variants.

Well....at this point we'll soon have a lot more focus on Greyjoys next season in a matter of weeks, so it probably won't remain an issue for long.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 03:24, April 9, 2016 (UTC)


 * Not really... there are a few different variants that appear in-universe (as there are for most houses). At one point I was in favor of using one of the alternates, as it appears more prominently in the show but there's certainly not a problem. - 08:03, April 10, 2016 (UTC)

Template User Old Gods
I'm sorry but I reverted Template: User Old Gods to the screenshot version. The stylized artwork version you added just looks like a face - without the detail of a screenshot I really think it was difficult to tell what it was.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 03:27, April 9, 2016 (UTC)


 * No worries. It seemed like there was a trend towards 2D artwork for userboxes, but it's your call. - 08:03, April 10, 2016 (UTC)

Frontpage character navbox
On the frontpage character navbox, two things:

As said before the plan is to replace Ellaria with Euron as soon as we have a good image of him.

Second, I think the image for the High Sparrow needs to be replaced - he's leaning forward in the image, so the lower part of his face gets covered by the words "High Sparrow".--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:06, April 9, 2016 (UTC)


 * That's fine, I'll get on that today. - 08:03, April 10, 2016 (UTC)


 * Fixed, using a different image. - 12:09, April 10, 2016 (UTC)

Organizations and Religions
New portal images you made for Organizations and Religions are outstanding, I have loaded them onto the front page.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:44, April 19, 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks. - 16:21, April 19, 2016 (UTC)

Well I think the Faith Militant shield from their website is itself a bit uneven and thought we could fix it by mirroring it....ah, forget it. It would take time away from other stuff you want to work on, and they might produce a better version anyway with Season 6 coming. Don't worry about it. Just go with what we had.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:17, April 19, 2016 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I noticed. I'll leave it as it is for now, as it may be like that for a reason. I thought that the short point might represented the Stranger, as the least worshiped of the Seven. - 20:56, April 19, 2016 (UTC)


 * ...interesting.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:04, April 19, 2016 (UTC)

Season 6
Thank you for warning me about the leak.

You're relatively new on here but I hope you understand that everyone on here disagrees and debates stuff constantly, and that disagreements about the Timeline are just minor bickering....in comparison to THE BASTARDS POSTING IMAGES AND INFORMATION FROM THE LEAKED PREMIERE A DAY BEFORE IT AIRS. (ARRGGH!) All other discussions pale in comparison to this existential threat.

Good to have you on the team.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 12:57, April 23, 2016 (UTC)


 * Of course... I would never think that debates like the one over the timeline are anything but healthy and well intentioned. - 13:16, April 24, 2016 (UTC)

Opening credit sigils
Oh, thanks a lot of being interested in the opening credit sigils, been meaning to get to that. Remember that they can change from season to season depending on who's in it.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:52, May 1, 2016 (UTC)


 * Yup, its in progress. There are different versions of the same ones as well, Seaworth, for example. - 18:54, May 1, 2016 (UTC)

Howland Reed In Season 6
Source?--Gonzalo84 (talk) 18:42, May 1, 2016 (UTC)


 * There was, uh, a spy video circulating some months ago which rather clearly showed young Eddard dueling a certain man, and nearly being killed, before another man intervenes and saves him. I take it as certainty Howland is in the season.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:50, May 1, 2016 (UTC)


 * The Howland Reed article has stated that he will appear in Season 6 since January. - 18:52, May 1, 2016 (UTC)

Young Ser Rodrik
Do we have any source to state that the man training Ned and Benjen is Ser Rodrik and not a nameless master-at-arms?--Gonzalo84 (talk) 13:21, May 2, 2016 (UTC)


 * Not as far as I'm aware. I've tweeted the actor asking him which character he played (I doubt I'll get a response). I thought it was Brandon Stark initially, hence why I removed the information, but TDD says it was Rodrik (although he got the actor mixed up). Linda from Westeros.org thinks it's Rodrik as well, based on the whiskers. - 13:31, May 2, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah I put a note in saying "this is Rodrik" because I also initially thought it was Brandon and only realized the possibility it is Rodrik when someone else pointed it out.

He looks so much like Ron Donachie that I think it's no accident - he even has his side whiskers. But is he Daniel Portman or an actor cast to look like Portman's father at a young age?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:38, May 2, 2016 (UTC)


 * I think Rodrik is more likely than Brandon, but the actor is Fergus Leathem, not Daniel Portman. That's beyond dispute. - 19:26, May 2, 2016 (UTC)

Kingsmoot
Dare we hope for some in-episode Iron Islands heraldry other than the Greyjoys' at the upcoming Kingsmoot?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:40, May 2, 2016 (UTC)


 * I hope so as well!--Gonzalo84 (talk) 18:49, May 2, 2016 (UTC)


 * That would be amazing, but knowing the show it will be quite a stripped back affair, and will just be a contest between Yara and Euron. The snippets we've seen in trailers so far have just showed Greyjoy banners... but that scene might be the coronation/baptism, not the actual Kingsmoot. - 19:26, May 2, 2016 (UTC)

Images
Hi there,

Just regarding your note about images. I don't think I intentionally added the images. I am using an IPad so I might have accidentally clicked on something while typing. But thanks for getting in touch with me. Andykatib 1919, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

603 heraldry
Con: I hoped that one of the Kingsguard horses had the Hightower sigil on it, but on closer inspection it did not.

Pro: Howland Reed is wearing a cloak clasp shaped like his sigil.

It is of course, the circular ouroboros shape previously used with fanart on AWOIAF...not the Histories & Lore version.

Consider that the House Stokeworth sigil also looks exactly like the fanart version used on AWOIAF.

When Jim Stane started the heraldry in Season 1, he said there are infinite ways to draw "a lion" so he did a lot of work to figure out the best one.

Lately, I think the TV production team is just directly using AWOIAF as a reference.

This isn't necessarily a "bad" thing, at least it's a basis in something, but I wish they continued to put their own effort into making something unique.

I'm not sure how to handle the Reed heraldry now.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:04, May 9, 2016 (UTC)


 * As do I... although I guess it's a compliment to the AWoIaF folks. But yeah, they brazenly copied the design, so I took the initiative and switched ours as well. Assuming the version that appears on screen is more canonical than the one from the H&L segment. - 19:56, May 9, 2016 (UTC)

Arthur Dayne
Would you be extremely offended if I switched to the previoys portrait image? From this day until my last day, Arthur Dayne is officially my favorite character - I want him to look badass :3 --CrappyScrap (talk) 18:55, May 9, 2016 (UTC)


 * I personally don't mind. :-)


 * While I'm already nagging you - is this file based on descriptions open to interpretation? I was thinking of changing it to something closer to this (based on this). Are you fine with me altering your darling? ^^ --CrappyScrap (talk) 21:42, May 9, 2016 (UTC)


 * Haha! Ah, I actually had a similar thought... although I didn't personally create the current Dayne artwork (so I don't really mind) I do know that's based off his page in the Book of Brothers. It may be more canon, as it appears on screen/in the show. Like I said, I don't really mind - we should probably ask TDD! :-) - 09:22, May 10, 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm a noob when it comes to sigilmaking. Is it fine if I do my best and upload the results, then people can alter them later? Or should I just refrain from uploading them at all? --CrappyScrap (talk) 18:10, May 10, 2016 (UTC)


 * I don't really make those calls... however like The Dragon Demands said, the sigils we make ourselves need to be accurate recreations of what we see in the show - it's not enough to use a generic picture of a skull wearing a crown - we have to painstakingly create a replica of the version that appears on screen, down to the smallest details: Example, . The House Royce sigil gave me a particularly fierce headache, because I had to individually inscribe each rune, one-by-one to make sure it was exactly the same as the show version! X-D Of course sometimes the art department at HBO simply copies the shields from "A Wiki of Ice and Fire" (Reed, Morrigen, Stokeworth and so on) and when they do it's generally okay for us to do the same. However, more often than not they create their own artwork - the House Blackmont heraldry in the show is vastly different than the book version (even the color of the field is different) so unfortunately we cannot use your versions.


 * Regarding Dayne... like I said, the former shield is based on this, which may be considered more canon, as it appears in the show itself. However, I don't really mind, but it should be discussed with an admin first.


 * That being said, I certainly wouldn't be opposed to you helping with this (bearing in mind the above). In fact, I'd be very grateful! I hope that answers all your concerns, but let me know if you need anything else! :-) 09:33, May 11, 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for taking the time to explain this. The sigils I uploaded just triggered a shitstorm, so I guess I'll refrain from uploading anything that can't be replicated in Paint (again, I'm a noob when it comes to picture editing). I didn't know these shields appeared to differently in the show - in fact, I wasn't sure if they appeared at all. Lesson(s) learned! Hopefully I won't be the source of somebody's headache from now on :) --CrappyScrap (talk) 15:55, May 11, 2016 (UTC)


 * That's quite alright. I honestly wouldn't worry too much about it if I were you. You didn't do any damage, and were only trying to help. :-) 08:06, May 12, 2016 (UTC)

Inactivity
Apologies for my recent inactivity - a family emergency arose which requires most of my time and energy at present. I haven't been able to view the most recent episode, but will do so and return to full activity as soon as possible. - 10:59, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

Shield Sizes 30px vs 20 px
Hey, I'm trying something new in regards to the shields on the battle summaries - I'm making the shields for the great houses 30px as a visual cue that they are a great house and then use 20px for all the bannermen. For the Battle of the Bells, since it is just great houses listed, they all get 30px.

I also use 30px for non-great houses if they are the main combatant.

I see that you made the shields smaller on the Battle of the Bells so I wanted to run this idea by you before undoing your changes.

Regards Ser Shield McShield (talk) 22:33, May 26, 2016 (UTC)


 * Ah, I see, yeah, I did wonder about that. I have no objections. - 20:52, May 27, 2016 (UTC)

User Cornetto and images
I sent him his 2nd warning. Thank you for picking up his slack and tagging the images correctly. It is very appreciated. 22:43, May 30, 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks, not a problem. - 19:10, June 1, 2016 (UTC)

Joffrey's Infobox Image
Don't want an edit war of course, so I thought I'd take this matter here. But personally I still think my option is viable for an infobox image. He is engaged in a certain pose, yes, but it's not that awkward. Is a vote possible on the talk page? AllHailTheFirstOrder (talk) 09:36, June 3, 2016 (UTC)


 * Sure, go for it. You don't need permission fro me. - 20:36, June 5, 2016 (UTC)

Simon Fossoway
Hello! Please, would you do me a favour and add infobox in "Simon Fossoway" article? --92.249.249.1 13:39, June 6, 2016 (UTC)

Why did you undoing it. Isn't Gared a Member of the Night's Watch. And why is Will in that category, but he isn't considered to fit in?HartiCM (talk) 07:02, June 8, 2016 (UTC)


 * They are both already in the category "Rangers of the Night's Watch", which is a sub-category of the "Members of the Night's Watch" category. As we know which orders they belonged to they don't go in the master category. - 07:05, June 8, 2016 (UTC)

Glover heraldry
New Glover heraldry is good; but can the fist in the middle simply be resized to be a little bigger within the borders? Seems small compared to the animals in other sigils.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:42, June 13, 2016 (UTC)
 * I didn't make it, CrappyScrap did. I've already asked the same thing. - 15:52, June 13, 2016 (UTC)


 * Sorry I'm a little out of focus.-The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:03, June 13, 2016 (UTC)


 * No worries. - 09:42, June 16, 2016 (UTC)

Frontpage navbox update
Due for another frontpage navbox update. Sorry I've fallen behind, need to check out the other test pages you made then load them up.

Frontpage navbox for Noble Houses needs updating; don't want to expand it to a sixth row, five by five good for now. TV series doesn't show too many beyond the Great Houses.

The current ones on the bottom row were placeholders anyway: Clegane, Hornwood, Dayne. Clegane doesn't appear prominently as "a faction" so much as two prominent characters so I want to shuffle that out.

So I want to take out those three, and the new three squared off nicely ones will be Manderly, Glover, and Royce. Subject to change.

Also need a squared-off version of the new Reed sigil.

Plus they introduced a new rampant version of the Mormont sigil (instead of the old passant version), might need to update eventually when we get a good shot of the artwork.--The Dragon Demands
 * And yup, I'm working on that. I was going to wait for the next episode just to see if there's a clearer shot to work off of. It looks like the bear is standing on a green escutcheon of grass. - 09:42, June 16, 2016 (UTC)



Glover and Royce portals are done. - 13:03, June 22, 2016 (UTC)

Updated. The Royce image is beautiful.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:11, June 26, 2016 (UTC)

...due to season finale, now I want to take out the Clegane icon and put in Manderly. Clegane is more two characers than a "faction" as it were, relative to their size.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:38, June 28, 2016 (UTC)

House Mazin heraldry
What are you basing the House Mazin heraldry on? I thought we had no confirmation.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 04:18, June 15, 2016 (UTC)
 * [Here]--Gonzalo84 (talk) 04:41, June 15, 2016 (UTC)

Well that's a flag that appears in trailers for the upcoming battle, but how do we know it's from "House Mazin"?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:01, June 15, 2016 (UTC)


 * Who else could it be? The only other houses that have sworn for Jon are the Mormonts and Hornwoods, he says so himself. - 09:42, June 16, 2016 (UTC)

Images
You HAVE to remember to also categorize, not just tag with a license. For example: Image (Character), Image (Actor), etc. Thanks. 23:15, June 16, 2016 (UTC)

Family info
All that family info in each character box from each page... from those different editors... is that vandalism?? It seems like gibberish to me, but you seem to have a better grasp on whats going on. I just need to know in case blocking needs to take place. 19:58, June 20, 2016 (UTC)


 * It's not vandalism no, just unnecessary to have so many minor/irrelevant family members listed. - 07:45, June 21, 2016 (UTC)

Heartsbane Image
There's two more pictures of it in this gallery if you want to have a look at them. AllHailTheFirstOrder (talk) 11:41, June 22, 2016 (UTC)


 * Ah, that's cool. It's got little huntsman on it and everything! - 11:57, June 22, 2016 (UTC)

City Watch Shield
If you are working on the Mormont shield right now, can you also create a larger version of the City Watch shield? I want to replace the image of Janos Slynt's ugly face with the City Watch shield but the current version of the shield is the smaller size and I can't get it scale up to 250px.

Regards Ser Shield McShield (talk) 16:58, June 22, 2016 (UTC)


 * Sure thing, I'll add it to the list. - 06:28, June 25, 2016 (UTC)

New images/New Categories
The new images you uploaded, I noticed you made a new category: "Image (profile)"... We normally don't make new categories, unless they are realllllly needed. I went ahead and moved them from those images, as I don't see that category being used too often and we don't want categories to get out of control here. I am putting "Image (Promotional)" in its place, since they sort of look like driver license pictures to me. lol) I noticed some of the images were placed nowhere, only uploaded. I put any that weren't placed in the image gallery... otherwise I would have just have to delete the image since it wouldn't be in use. Also, I tweaked the style/color etc. of Roose's image.. as it looked so plain and like I said, a driver's license picture to me. lol. I put Tywins in his gallery. I've been going through uncategorized photos for a few days now, so I just want to make sure you or no one else is adding to this work load that is already massive. 20:31, June 26, 2016 (UTC)

Two Years
I haven't been on this wikia in two years. I haven't changed anything in two years. If you have issue with how my profile is that nobody's noticed in two years I'm sorry. And I don't care nearly enough to try to edit it especially considering I no longer even watch the show. Do as you wish and keep on trucking. Thus spoke Shane for Wax (talk) 12:47, July 2, 2016 (UTC)

Hi Xanderen I wanted to know if you could tell me/help me on how to use a small image as your signature as you have done yourself, and if you could do one for me customized...it looks awesome and i'd love one!

Help
Xanderen I wanted to know if you could tell me/help me on how to use a small image as your signature as you have done yourself, and if you could do one for me customized...it looks awesome and i'd love one!

Let me know Best--EchoesOfTheTower (talk) 10:08, July 3, 2016 (UTC)


 * Sure, happy to help. What did you want your sig to look like? - 10:36, July 3, 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! Well if possible, a shield with in it a tower with small echo waves coming out of it, and underneath the shield my username written in a fancy font. So like the format of a House heraldry and words from AWOIAF, obvs smaller. Thank you again, I'm glad you could help. Best --EchoesOfTheTower (talk) 10:47, July 3, 2016 (UTC)


 * Cool, what about colors? - 11:01, July 3, 2016 (UTC)

Well lets say a red shield black tower white echo waves and blue words thank you --EchoesOfTheTower (talk) 12:23, July 3, 2016 (UTC)


 * Okay, let me see what I can do. - 14:49, July 3, 2016 (UTC)

Ok thank you --EchoesOfTheTower (talk) 15:22, July 3, 2016 (UTC)

Images
Like the "Brighter" images that I replace with old ones? The only way I knew how was to "replace"...but you have to name your new file the exact same thing, and on Chromebook I can't save as .png for some reason, only .jpg. 12:11, July 3, 2016 (UTC)


 * What program do you use to brighten the images? It should give you the option to "save as", which lets you choose the file extension. - 14:46, July 3, 2016 (UTC)
 * Pixlr Express... doesn't let you choose for some reason... just automatically .jpg 16:00, July 3, 2016 (UTC)


 * Weird... I guess it's pretty basic. You should think about upgrading. - 18:06, July 3, 2016 (UTC)

I don't mind it so much...and there are only so many editing software for Chromebook. I will check, but I've gotten use to Pixlr now. haha. I had my computer with photoshop, but it crashed and burned... so that's why I had to buy this instead. 18:13, July 3, 2016 (UTC)

Room for Growth
Greetings Xanderen, I spoke with an admin and your name popped up when discussing new admins. I would still need to clear it with a few other admins, but for now, I will extend the invite... would like to be admin here?? I know it can be hard, but it /will/ slow down, that I can promise. To be an admin on the GoT Wiki is a great opportunity, so I hope you think about taking it. Just message me back on my page. Thanks and Congrats. 17:39, July 6, 2016 (UTC)
 * You've got my vote.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:41, July 6, 2016 (UTC)


 * Sure, I'll gladly accept, and thank you for the vote of confidence! - 18:56, July 6, 2016 (UTC)

EchoesOfTheTower
Hi Xanderen - you don't know me. TheDragonDemands has permanently banned EchoesOfTheTower. I do not think he deserved it and I replied to Dragon on EchoesOfTheTower's talk page. I understand you and Echoes had some interactions in the past. If you could just pop there and give an opinion I would be extremely grateful.

With best regards

Mark MikiNorthernStorm98 (talk) 20:00, July 6, 2016 (UTC)


 * How comes you've just returned to the wiki for the first time since 2014 and have immediately decided to champion EchoesOfTheTower? - 22:20, July 6, 2016 (UTC)


 * We worked together on other wikis. He's a good guy, and I felt the need to step up for him. MikiNorthernStorm98 (talk) 23:02, July 6, 2016 (UTC)

Sigil question
Hi,

I saw some sigils you made for people. Is this a service you do as a designer? Can you make me one too please? How much is it? Thanks! MikiNorthernStorm98 (talk) 22:21, July 6, 2016 (UTC)

House Mudd sigil
With the Tristan Mudd article, not to mention the House Mudd article, we're in need of a House Mudd sigil. I hope you have the time.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 18:21, July 8, 2016 (UTC)


 * Yup, I think it's on my list already. Should be relatively straightforward, so I'll see if I can get it done over the weekend. - 19:28, July 8, 2016 (UTC)


 * Mudd is done - on to Mormont! - 17:49, July 11, 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you! I've just read your Sigils To-Do-List. And these are other sigils we are in eed of (I'll also tell Ser Shield Mc Shield so you both get to decide which ones you want to do:


 * House Hoare
 * House Botley
 * House Estermont (from the War of the Five Kings featurette in the Season 2 Bluray)
 * House Errol (from the War of the Five Kings featurette in the Season 2 Bluray)
 * House Grandison (seen in the Stormlands Histories & Lore)
 * House Beesbury
 * House Qoherys
 * House Harroway
 * House Towers
 * House Lothston

--Gonzalo84 (talk) 00:26, July 14, 2016 (UTC)

idea
Just had an idea. What about making a category for pages that says "Image needs brightening"? I am going through so many, but I'd have a lot of help if people could add that category for me. That way I can brighten (or someone else can), the images so they are better seen. This could be infobox or images in the synopsis.. we'd be able to tell which it is. What do you think? Thanks. 23:32, July 10, 2016 (UTC)


 * I think it's a good idea, and if it helps you, all the better. - 16:24, July 11, 2016 (UTC)

Harald Karstark
He's not been seen since the battle of the bastard and even if he survived we don't know how the Starks would punish him. Up to and including stripping the Karstarks of Karhold from treachery. Uncertain doesn't mean dead it means just that uncertainty.


 * Exactly, we don't know, so it should be left for now. Technically, Karstark didn't betray anyone, he sided with his lawful liege lord. Hopefully this will be resolved next year. Also, please sign your talk-page posts with four (~). - 18:09, July 11, 2016 (UTC)

If we get mention or visually confirmation Karstarks survived and got to hold onto Karhold info can easily be adjusted to reflect that. But for now given the nature of events uncertain is the best option.


 * The Viewer's Guide was updated immediately after episode 609 aired - Ramsay, Rickon, Smalljon were listed as deceased, Harald wasn't, so for now he seems to be alive. Please leave it be for now, and please sign your talk-page posts. - 18:19, July 11, 2016 (UTC)

Lol Can I'm not concerned about "blocking" at all. I'm certain you're NOT the absolute top administration and my course of action is logical and reasonable. However this clearly means more to you than it does to since this is for fun for people to learn more about a show they love there's not too much harm in keep H.Karstark presumably in charge. Not trying to spend all day undoing you're edits.

Sigils?
So you design those little sigil signature things? I remember you making one for Echo guy? 18:52, July 14, 2016 (UTC)


 * I certainly do! 19:09, July 14, 2016 (UTC)


 * Saaaa-weeeeeet. lol If I tinker around in my ol'noggin an idea, think you can make it for me? Can it be added like the one I have now... like, where the crown would be, and still have "QueenBuffy" next to it? 19:16, July 14, 2016 (UTC)


 * Sure thing. - 21:08, July 14, 2016 (UTC)

Images
I personally think it is alright. Especially the ones marked permission and fairuse. Those screencapped images almost HAVE to be lightened. I think we are safe until told otherwise. We aren't editing faces over others, or doing anything to totally hinder the images into something else. Good call btw. Some I have on the list may not need to be edited/lightened, I just marked them to tweak with them... just to see how they'd look different, etc. 19:50, July 21, 2016 (UTC)

Coat of Arms Software
What program do you use to create the coat of arms?

Regards Ser Shield McShield (talk) 01:32, July 24, 2016 (UTC)


 * Photoshop, primarily, however some are simply hand drawn then scanned onto my computer and colored digitally. - 15:12, July 24, 2016 (UTC)

House Dayne sigil
Hi! I assume the color update on the was based on  screenshot. I'm pretty sure the dark color in the picture owes at least partly to the dim illumination in the picture in general, and that the color isn't nearly as blackish as the current version (the AWOIAF version is purple, and this version from Histories & Lore is closer to pink). Is it possible to compromise the two and find a lighter shade of purple? Sorry to be a crybaby about this, but House Dayne is one of my favorite houses, and I want their sigil to be awesome-looking conditioner for my eyes :P

On an unrelated note; Can I add We're farther north than any of you fookers as the words of House Umber, and get banned just one day for vandalism? :P --CrappyScrap 21:36, July 26, 2016 (UTC)


 * There's going to be a "House Dayne" segment of the Histories and Lore featurette attached to the season six blu-ray... in all likelihood they will probably opt for a different design than the one from the White Book, as they have in the past. I don't want to get too hung up on the exact hue of the current shield when the whole thing will need to replaced soon, if you see where I'm coming from?


 * Haha, I'll assume you're joking about that last bit! ;-) - 10:37, July 27, 2016 (UTC)


 * Awright, I'll put my feelings on hold and keep my fingers crossed. Hopefully they'll use the one from AWOIAF, which honestly looks a bit jedi-ish!


 * Yeah, I guess I'm joking... Or am I? :P Best, --CrappyScrapHouse-Dayne-Main-Shield.PNG 12:35, July 27, 2016 (UTC)


 * EDIT: I'm honored to see the Glover sigil on your user page! --CrappyScrapHouse-Dayne-Main-Shield.PNG 12:37, July 27, 2016 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I also prefer the AWoIaF version! And you're welcome, you did an extremely good job. - 07:53, July 28, 2016 (UTC)


 * Do you know when the blu-ray is released? Every time I look at the color of the Dayne sigil, a part of me dies... --CrappyScrapCrappyScrap-Shield.PNG 14:26, August 19, 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure it's Christmas time this year, which is earlier than usual. - 20:28, August 19, 2016 (UTC)

House Mormont updated sigil
Great work!, though I think the bear's snout should be a bit shorter and the nose less prominent.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 16:43, July 27, 2016 (UTC)

Upload the new House Mormont sigil with the file name: House-Mormont-Main-Shield.PNG - use the exact same name including capitalizing PNG - and it will autmatically update everwhere that it is currently used.

Thanks! Ser Shield McShield (talk) 18:00, July 27, 2016 (UTC)

I just saw that you started to change the references to the House Mormont's shield one by one. How about we do this so we keep the naming convention of the shield files the same - rename the current House-Mormont-Main-Shield.PNG to something like House-Mormont-Old-Shield.PNG and then rename your new version as House-Mormont-Main-Shield.PNG - that way you can keep both and no one has to change the references one by one. It will simplify things and keep my OCD from annoying me.

Ser Shield McShield (talk) 18:07, July 27, 2016 (UTC)

I went ahead an renamed your files to keep the naming convention (House-XXX...) intact. Sorry but I had to do it or it would just nag at me to no end. But it looks exactly the same so hopefully you don't mind.

Regards Ser Shield McShield (talk) 00:18, July 28, 2016 (UTC)


 * Sure thing Gonzalo, I've shortened his snozzle a bit! - 07:15, July 28, 2016 (UTC)

Wyman pic
I didn't see Sharky's brightened image of Wyman, but I re-added one that isn't very bright and hopefully better than the one you had to revert. I didn't mean to sound so harsh, and it wasn't geared toward you. 21:05, August 7, 2016 (UTC)

Astapor sigil
I discussed this with Ser Shield McShield a while ago, and completely forgot it might interest you as well. So here we go; who do you think the flag/sigil on the right represent? The Great Masters? The Unsullied? Astapor? All of Slaver's Bay? To add to the confusion, it is also displayed on the sails of the Great Masters' fleet.

What's your take on this?

(The original discussion took place here)

Regards, --CrappyScrap 20:01, August 30, 2016 (UTC)


 * Ah. cool. Well spotted. I can certainly create a mock-up... in the books each of the slave cities used variations of the Harpy: The harpy of Astapor had chains in its claws, the harpy of Yunkai had a whip, etc. - 18:59, September 1, 2016 (UTC)


 * I'd applaud you if you did - this is probably the most complicated sigil in the GoT universe. --CrappyScrapCrappyScrap-Shield.PNG 19:20, September 1, 2016 (UTC)

Gallery character portals
I've developed a [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Speedit/How_to_add_portable_gallery-based_character_portals_to_your_wiki. new iteration of character portals] that basically eschew the mess of tables in the current mainpage portal of most wikis and reskin the traditional Wikia gallery to its needs. While the Game of Thrones Wiki uses the curated mobile mainpage and probably won't need the portability benefit, the performance benefit is probably worth installing this down the line. (Also, the current template works well but the HTML it relies upon is frankly a blight upon humanity.)

As you will probably see in the linked previews at the blog, there is a margin of 10px between the galleries and other things I will have to twiddle with using personal CSS to get working on this wiki. I'll take a look at working on this next week, which will give plenty of time for mods to comment and. Thanks for your time

Also, is it possible guide me to an avenue that can used to inform the other mods of such an important change other than pinging talkpages?

 [ Speedit ] ♜  [ contribs ]  02:50, August 31, 2016 (UTC)


 * As you said - that will need to be cleared with the other administrators first. I would suggest making a blog, so everyone can express their opinions. - 18:59, September 1, 2016 (UTC)

edits
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't see the message! --~ Lorisa! (talk) 15:34, September 1, 2016 (UTC)

Great Masters sigil
Excellent work! Now, do you think we should replace the mini harpy symbol with the new sigil wherever it is? I'm personally in favor of that. I'll spread it to all relevant articles I can find. Again, excellent work! --CrappyScrap 23:20, September 3, 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks! And yeah, it can be used across the board, I think. It's more canon than the old harpy symbol, anyway. - 07:42, September 5, 2016 (UTC)


 * Thought you might like this! ;) --CrappyScrapCrappyScrap-Shield.PNG 17:04, September 8, 2016 (UTC)

Updating House Targaryen's page.
I think House Targaryen's page needs updating on the Season 6 section. There is no mention of Jon being Rhaegar's son (which has been confirmed by HBO). Is it possible to unlock it in order to for the page to reflect that fact in the Season 6 section?


 * Done. I've unlocked it to registered users... hopefully things have calmed down a bit by now. - 06:19, September 12, 2016 (UTC)

Bran Stark
Sorry to bother you Xanderen, but I have to ask what infobox in specific was the previous Bran's image not suitable for? And if it isn't, surely there must be a way to make it suitable for that infobox, just like the current one is. No? Ramsay 02:33, September 13, 2016 (UTC)

"Killed by" categories
A new user by the name of Lillwk22 is adding a bunch of "Killed by" categories to several articles, which I have to agree is overkill. I already removed this category from the Mad King article. I'll let you make a final determination as to whether this is overkill before I undo any more of this user's edits.--Shaneymike (talk) 12:14, September 23, 2016 (UTC)
 * Overkill.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 01:23, September 24, 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah I went ahead and removed that category from most of those other pages anyway. I'll finish the job momentarily if you haven't already.--Shaneymike (talk) 02:15, September 24, 2016 (UTC)


 * Definitely overkill. The category structure does need an overhaul in order to be more relevant, however. - 16:11, September 24, 2016 (UTC)

Bastard Shields
Just out of curiosity, why are the bastard shields being removed? - 14:47, September 28, 2016 (UTC)


 * There's no canon basis for them in the show/game universe. - 15:21, September 28, 2016 (UTC)


 * Isn't that exactly what the whole white wolf thing was referring to?

- 02:21, September 29, 2016 (UTC)


 * True, but we can't apply it to every bastard, and we can't create a white wolf shield for Jon until it appears directly in the show. - 06:32, September 29, 2016 (UTC)


 * Why can't we? Isn't that rule there to prove exactly that it is form of heraldry used for noted bastards? E.G House Blackfyre & Black Walder Rivers etc. So then wouldn't it be safe to apply that as a general rule? I quote "House Blackfyre, founded by a legitimized bastard son of House Targaryen, follows the custom for bastards by inverting the Targaryen colors, resulting in a black dragon on a red field."

- 06:34, September 29, 2016 (UTC)


 * It's common practice, but not necessarily a rule. Bastards are forbidden from using their family sigil, but they are allowed to create their own from scratch. We need to be careful about making claims we cannot support, and personally I feel that using bastard shields by default for characters like Josera and Elsera Snow (who never use them in the show/game) is such a claim. You're free to start a forum/blog discussion if you want to discuss this further and gauge how other members of the community feel about this. - 06:53, September 29, 2016 (UTC)


 * Ok, I understand, thank you for your time.

- 07:56, September 29, 2016 (UTC)


 * Sorry about the elsera thing, I was looking at the previous version and wasn't thinking

- 08:25, September 29, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks...
...for telling you-know-who not to edit other people's comments.--Shaneymike (talk) 17:07, September 29, 2016 (UTC)

Shaneymike
HE edited his own comment after his original with the added "Mwahaha!" I don't understand why he did that, that's why I deleted it. Ramsay 17:12, September 29, 2016 (UTC)

Also watch those two if you can please. I have a hunch they are up to something not good. Thanks Ramsay 17:16, September 29, 2016 (UTC)


 * I've been watching Eko going at other users' throats for a few months now. I felt that I should give my opinion on this, but I chose not to because I believed this whole affair to be none of my business but now, I'm doing it anyway.


 * Eko, your contributions are well-placed, I'm sure, but I've seen you ONLY edit pages that are related to House Bolton and a few that are related to House Stark. To me, it feels as if you have some strange obsession with House Bolton, specifically with Ramsay. The second reason why I think you have an obsession with the Boltons is because at my talk page, you left this message:


 * "If you were previously sworn to House Bolton as its stated by sigil on your profile, then why do you have such animosity against Ramsay? :( Or were just loyal to Roose? I'm at a loss for trying to understand how you favored House Bolton."


 * I found it weird enough you were that fixated on discovering whether I was "loyal" to a fictional family from a fantasy television series. (I know it sounds kind of hypocritical for me to say that, since I'm a bureaucrat and a frequent user on a Game of Thrones fanon Wiki, but I digress).


 * Furthermore, it feels as if you can't take criticism. When someone corrects (or should I say changes) an edit that you made, you get almost obsessed with convincing that user that the change he made was unfair, or something. Two prominent examples are Shaneymike and EnglishJoker, both who have been incredibly supportive and have done NOTHING but do that which favours the wiki. Hats off to you guys.


 * Shaneymike's almost entire talk page is filled with beefs that he had with you, dating back to AUGUST. It had become so heated that Administrators had to be called in to intervene.


 * This concludes my rant of sorts on this whole sordid affair. If I offended anyone I apologise in advance. I think this entire feud with Eko, Shaney and Joker is just complete nonsense as a result from a user who is OBSESSED with a fictional family and can't take criticism. Lord Sharky  ( talk ) SharkyBytesz-Personal-Main-Shield.PNG 17:42, September 29, 2016 (UTC)


 * Other users throats you say? I think that's a bit far-fetched. First of all these other users have criticized me in the first place by saying that English is not my first language and also that some minor grammar mistakes that were made by me or edits that I was unaware of (you know it's kinda hard to follow when the likes of Shaneymike does several edits in matter of minutes just to firstly add content + then correct his own grammar in the following edits just because he doesn't take liberty in double checking what he writes).


 * Not only House Bolton and House Stark, The Targaryens, The Tyrells, and The Lannisters I've made edits on


 * Someone else before you once said to me in these words "You cannot be a sworn to House Bolton and be a White Walker". Here's a question for you, if you have the loyalty banner for example You're sworn to House Stark and you were to change it to for example House Targaryen, would you also express animosity to let's say Bran Stark and put that on your profile??


 * Considering that the entire Game of Thrones series is fictional, everything everyone does on this wikia IS in favor of fiction. There are users who purely support House Stark and there are users that don't.


 * Maybe, maybe not. But one thing I will add is that I for a fact know what specific character says word for word. I watched GoT with and without subtitles and so far, watching every word each character said was 100% spot on. You can even hear them say it that way if you utilize the playback system. Maybe I haven't been on this wikia as long as they have been, but this doesn't give them any right to feel superior with their edits by asking Admins' confirmation!


 * Not my fault. I apologized to Shaneymike when he was in the right and I was in the wrong. But when he was in the wrong and I asked for his apology, he unfortunately reluctantly decided not to give it to me and tried to improvise.


 * I accept your apology however if that "user who is OBSESSED with a fictional family and can't take criticism" is me, then unfortunately I cannot forgive you and can only remind you that you should watch your language. Ramsay NK mini sigil.png 18:13, September 29, 2016 (UTC)


 * I should watch my language for telling you my opinion on your behaviour? What? That I think is a good enough example of you not being able to accept criticism. I don't need ask for your forgiveness. It's not worth it, believe me.


 * I think the punishment that Xanderen gave to you is well-placed. Please take a good look to yourself to see how utterly pathetic you're acting. And you're completely right, this wikia indeed IS in favour of fiction because...Game of Thrones is fiction...


 * And yes, you do indeed go after users' throats. Just go into your contribution page and see how many times you've started an argument with other users. I call that "going after users' throats".


 * I'd say I'm pretty much done with this. I knew I shouldn't get involved with petty feuds like this, but I let it get the better of myself anyway... Lord Sharky  ( talk ) SharkyBytesz-Personal-Main-Shield.PNG 18:24, September 29, 2016 (UTC)

CheckUser
How do we run a CheckUser on an IP address?--Shaneymike (talk) 14:51, November 7, 2016 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately this is not an ability that we ourselves possess. You need to go to Community Central and file a CheckUser request with the Support Team. You need to provide the names of the accounts and or IP addresses you want checked, and must have specific reasons why you suspect them and want them checked out - It's not enough just to have vague suspicions. Hope that helps. :-) - 11:45, November 9, 2016 (UTC)

Hey, I just created two pages Winter Wolves and Laenor Velaryon. I could use a bit of help in trying to get them up to standards. Thanks!

Roshan Menon (talk) 05:24, November 18, 2016 (UTC)Roshan Menon

About Dark Answer
If he has three violations of image policy, and ignored two warnings, he is to be blocked for a week. As an admin you have that authority.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 20:54, November 18, 2016 (UTC)

Congratulations
...on the appearance of a sigil you created on the Histories & Lore! It's a nice reminder that HBO keeps an eye on us. Cheers! --CrappyScrap 03:38, November 19, 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I was pretty chuffed by it as well. I was hoping there would be other instances as well, but alas... - 07:48, November 19, 2016 (UTC)


 * To bad they trolled us by not showing the House Dayne sigil! :/ --CrappyScrapCrappyScrap-Shield.PNG 14:46, November 19, 2016 (UTC)


 * I've only just finished watching all the H&Ls... I cannot believe they didn't give us a Dayne sigil! We'll have to decide which to use now. - 07:32, November 23, 2016 (UTC)

Email?
Do you have an email address? Something needs to be discussed on this Wiki. There are users who are obviously ignoring the image policy and we need to discuss their future here. Thanks. 19:09, November 19, 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure - xanderwrenn@gmail.com - 19:32, November 19, 2016 (UTC)

Harren Hoare
Even though I agree with you, you cannot single me out for this, because it already had a heraldry image before that.

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Harren_Hoare?oldid=242842

IDONTCAREWHATANYONESAYSIAMTHEBIGGESTHPFAN (talk) 19:39, November 19, 2016 (UTC)

Cinda
If you want a source for "Cinda" you can watch "A Man Without Honour" with subtitles. You can skipp to the Jaime/Alton coversation.78.144.38.246 15:11, December 2, 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Was this on a dvd/blu-ray release, or during an actual broadcast of the episode? - 15:17, December 2, 2016 (UTC)

I named it by the HBO Now subtitles. I don't have an account anymore, can someone check?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:01, December 2, 2016 (UTC)


 * I personally can't, as I don't have the DVDs anymore. - 18:09, December 2, 2016 (UTC)


 * It is actually Cinda Lannister on a Blu-ray release. GOT.-S02E07-.snapshot_32.59_-2016.12.02_20.26.44-.jpg

I being used instead of Y in Westeros?! It is unnatural! Ack.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:52, December 2, 2016 (UTC)


 * Dark days... how do you want to handle it? What's more official the blu-ray or the original broadcast? - 20:29, December 2, 2016 (UTC)

Blu-ray I guess...ask Gonzalo84.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:23, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

House Hoare sigil
I'm wow'ed. Excellent work! --CrappyScrap 16:52, December 2, 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'm glad to finally be finished with it. - 18:09, December 2, 2016 (UTC)

Greetings
I just replied to your new email :) 18:26, December 4, 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I've replied. - 18:33, December 4, 2016 (UTC)

File history policy
Hi! Thanks for restoring the original colors to the House Baratheon of King's Landing sigil (my changes were based on a screenshot, and I was unaware there was an official version available). I was just wondering what happened to the file history. I've noticed several times that file histories have been deleted after a discussion has been settled, so I was just wondering if it's customary to delete those here? I'm just curious; I really don't mind if it is. Best, --CrappyScrap 22:09, December 5, 2016 (UTC)


 * There's no official policy, no. I just tend to delete them when they start to get too long. - 07:25, December 6, 2016 (UTC)

House Grandison's Shield?
I started a discussion about using House Grandison's shield on House Grandison's talk page and invited the Bureaucrats to weigh-in. I would like a quick discussion and put this issue to rest.

Thanks Ser Shield McShield (talk) 18:00, December 10, 2016 (UTC)

Animals
Are we using heraldry for animals anymore?

IDONTCAREWHATANYONESAYSIAMTHEBIGGESTHPFAN (talk) 17:07, December 11, 2016 (UTC)


 * Nope. - 17:08, December 11, 2016 (UTC)

Do dragons count? IDONTCAREWHATANYONESAYSIAMTHEBIGGESTHPFAN (talk) 17:15, December 11, 2016 (UTC)


 * Nope. - 17:21, December 11, 2016 (UTC)

House Velaryon's Sigil
House Velaryon seems to have a usable sigil now - I think - but the colors look to be opposite from what is described in the books. Would you mind weighing in at Talk:House_Velaryon on if this sigil is good enough for using to create the coat of arms and if the colors in the description of the sigil should be updated to reflect the one reference we have?

Thanks Ser Shield McShield (talk) 21:57, December 12, 2016 (UTC)

New Dayne design
I left a post on the Dayne sigil talk page. While I like the new design, we just had a really long discussion on which shade of purple to use. I don't think the colors in the Histories & Lore featurette are meant to be spot on, so is there any chance you would agree to use the old shade of purple for the new design? Best, --CrappyScrap 23:05, December 13, 2016 (UTC)

Huh?
Hi. I have no idea what you're tallking about. I'm not trying to stir up trouble! I'm the one person who gets along with everybody! Please be more specific. SummerandBran633 (talk) 18:34, December 22, 2016 (UTC)

The Dragon
If this is about The Dragon you shouldn't be upset with me! If you read the entire thread I agreed with him. The other two were at each other's throats! Then Godzillavkk asked me (not so subtlety) if he should report him for abuse of powers. I told him that The Dragon was a good admin but Godzillvkk felt The Dragon was trying to force his opinion until Godzillavkk submitted. I had removed myself from the conversation. It was not me who asked the question of turning him in or whatever. I would never do that to The Dragon cuz he does his job just fine. Why did you give me the warning and not Godzillavkk? And what is you're beef with me? I was told you tried to sabatoge my page! SummerandBran633 (talk) 18:47, December 22, 2016 (UTC)

I never demanded that he "submit"; I only said that if he felt he was losing the discussion he should just stop replying and ignore the thread.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:59, December 22, 2016 (UTC)

OK..
You clearly don't get it but I can just see both sides. It's called diplomacy, not shit stirring or holier than thou. Did you not get that it wasn't me who wanted The Dragon banned or whatever? You made it sound like it was me. I have never been involved in something like this so please don't judge me so quickly. And X and Y are both my GoT wiki friends so why would I not try to put myself in both their shoes? And one warning? When I've never done anything else wrong? That's harsh. I'm sorry and I won't comment on this subject or talk to either party again about this topic. SummerandBran633 (talk) 19:32, December 22, 2016 (UTC)

Sigils
Thanks for the new shields! If you are planning on keeping with making new ones, we are still lacking the Blacks shield, as well as the Errol and Estermont shields. The last two appear in the War of the Five Kings feature of the Season 2 Bluray - specifically in the section detailing Renly's moves. If I recall correctly, they are quite similar to the versions of AWOIAF.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 18:39, December 23, 2016 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. I can go ahead and make a Blacks one, but we were waiting for your approval of the Velaryon one first. - 19:14, December 27, 2016 (UTC)

A request
This is entirely a whim, but...

On a different site, I got into a discussion that wanted to make a fanon heraldry for wargaming, MUSH, and such, and I hope you could cobble something together?

The heraldry is for the "Knights Inquisitor", Rhaenyra Targaryen's enforcers that she sent out to punish anyone who had helped the Greens. They're briefly mentioned in the print version of The Princess and the Queen (apparently did more in Martin's unpublished notes): http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Knights_Inquisitor

They have no canon heraldry, but I figured it could just be a modification of the Blacks heraldry you already worked on, right?

So the idea I had was to just make it the normal quartered black heraldry...surmounted by crossed swords. And later I decided to swap out one of the swords for a writing quill, like House Jordayne; crossed sword-and-quill -- the idea being a sword because they are Rhaenyra's elite guard, and a quill because they carry the writ and will of Rhaenyra, empowering them with her words.

An example of a crossed sword-and-quill would be this: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:369_AG_Bn_DUI.png

But, the sword-and-quill would go behind the main shield, the way that the quill and pointer do in this other heraldry: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Notarius_Publicus_Karlskoga_vapen.svg

The quill reference should be kind of close to the Jordayne heraldry in the show (barely visible): http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/File:401_Dornish_heraldry.png or the AWOIAF image that the show probably copied: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/File:JordayneCoA.png

So basically just a silver sword and silver quill crossed behind the normal blacks sigil. Argent/silver/white because that's "proper" for a sword (and the quill kind of matches)....is a "proper" sword silver or white? "Argent" covers a spectrum. Probably white, it would stand out better against a black background. Not sure.

This would mean that the Black heraldry would be smaller and centered within a larger heraldry shield....the outer background would also be plain black, like the Targaryen color...but to distinguish between where the Targaryen quarters end and the outer background begins, need to use a thin border line....same color as the sword and quills, "argent" - silver-metal or white, whichever stands out better (I think white stands out better against black? Or does that look weird?)

I don't know if this is asking much of if you'd enjoy the challenge.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:18, January 1, 2017 (UTC)


 * Ah, cool! Sure, I'll have a bash at it. Fortunately you caught me on my last day off before I go back to work. If it's for a book MUSH should the Arryn quarter be sky blue? Also, what do you want to use for the Velaryon seahorse? - 09:11, January 2, 2017 (UTC)




 * This is just a quick mock-up I did. Is this in line with what you were thinking? I can make refinements. - 19:28, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

Oh god, thank you. I didn't know if this would be a lot of work. 2 refinements:

1 - Actually I kind of want to use the TV version of the Arryn sigil (just preference)....and might as well use your mockup of the TV Velaryon sigil given that it's what we'll use once Gonzalo84 gives go-ahead.

2 - Can you play around with the proportions a little to make the central Rhaenyra shield bigger and more prominent? I want people to be able to see at a glance that it's the Rhaenyra heraldry, even when it's minimized. Proportions I'm shooting for are like this one: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Notarius_Publicus_Karlskoga_vapen.svg

3 - Also, take the central black fuller out of the blade - it's too small to see prominently and makes it look like an outline; just use a solid color on the blade part.

Otherwise outstanding.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:18, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

Like Dragon said, we should use the TV version of the Arryn sigil, and your mockup Velaryon seahorse.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 03:23, January 3, 2017 (UTC)


 * All done. I'll make some adjustments to your Knights Inquisitor shield later tonight, Dragon. -

Languages
Quick language survey, for wiki interlink purposes (answer in thread): http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:52705 --The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:41, January 2, 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks. - 09:11, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

Heraldry Template
Hey, why are you changing the "rules" on the use of shields in th Heraldry template? You just started imposing a change wthout any discussion such as on Jon Snow: "A Shield should not repeat unless it is the only one. The right hand shield simply reflects secondary allegiances, or personal sigils. It does not always mean current/most recent." This was already discussed at length at the end of the season when he was resurrected and the consensous was Stark on the left, Night's Watch in the middle since he was a part but no longer, then Stark again on the right. This wiki has never followed the AWoIaF "rules" so why are you trying to use them?

Regards Ser Shield McShield (talk) 16:38, January 3, 2017 (UTC)

Kingsguard
Hi, I'm sure you are very busy right now, but I wondered if you could make a Kingsguard sheild for Tommen/The Faith.

IDONTCAREWHATANYONESAYSIAMTHEBIGGESTHPFAN (talk) 19:57, January 4, 2017 (UTC)


 * Yeah... it's on the cards kinda. I don't want things to get too complicated, however. We may not even need to use the Queensguard shield I made. It will depend on if Cersei formally abolishes the old Kingsguard. Best to ask TDD if he thinks we need separate Kingsguard sigils for each regime - Aerys, Robert, Joffrey, Tommen... - 13:49, January 5, 2017 (UTC)


 * It would be nice to have each variant sigil.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 22:34, February 26, 2017 (UTC)


 * Okay, well I'll look into it, certainly. I'll ask TDD if he thinks its a good idea. - 11:39, March 19, 2017 (UTC)

Sigils
Oh cool! Yeah I want one, just haven't thought of an idea in my head yet. haha 21:34, April 13, 2017 (UTC)


 * Cool, just let me know when you've decided. - 15:23, April 18, 2017 (UTC)


 * Just wanted to know how you are getting along with the Kingsguard sigil variants...IDONTCAREWHATANYONESAYSIAMTHEBIGGESTHPFAN (talk) 10:46, April 21, 2017 (UTC)


 * I've just started on Tommen as we speak, and will have it finished within the next hour or so. - 11:34, April 21, 2017 (UTC)


 * Do you know how to make a tabber?
 * IDONTCAREWHATANYONESAYSIAMTHEBIGGESTHPFAN (talk) 11:55, April 21, 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm not 100% sure, but it shouldn't be hard to find an example on a different wiki and copy/paste the code over. - 15:48, April 21, 2017 (UTC)

Charactrs category
I gave my response to Thaenys a few days ago; categories should be "Characters" not "Individuals"; adding more to the misnamed category will only make work later, the name needs to be changed back.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 13:21, April 24, 2017 (UTC)


 * I thought we'd decided to commit to the new system... it will take far more work to change back now, not to mention the dozens of categories that will have to be deleted and recreated. - 15:07, April 24, 2017 (UTC)

...no I wrote back to him: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:The_Dragon_Demands#Updates_and_suggestions

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:54, April 24, 2017 (UTC)

Walder Frey page
The article is protected from editing by regular users, and I would greatly appreciate it if you could add an interwiki link to the page in Romanian. Seilare (talk)


 * Will do. - 06:29, May 8, 2017 (UTC)

Character Introductions
Hi. I was wondering a few things about the set-up of character introductions on their pages. I saw you removed the bit of Margaery being played by Natalie Dormer and in which episode she debuted in, as is the case for some other pages including Cersei's, Jaime's, etc. However, on other pages, like Mace Tyrell and Shireen Baratheon, those things are still mentioned.

Which brings me to my next question, some deceased characters are still being introduced as __ is the lord of __ etc., however the rest of it is written in past tense/was. Shouldn't that be was as well for consistency reasons?

And one final question; sorry if that has been explained already, but why are some pages locked/protected? I wanted to correct some of Olenna's quotes but I can't.

Thanks!

0Abstruse (talk) 21:27, May 7, 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi there. To answer your first question - we are currently restructuring the way we write introductions for character articles, and will no longer include information about actors, appearances and billing order etc. All this stuff is redundant and repetitive as it can be found in the infobox anyway.


 * Secondly... I'm personally of the opinion that yes, deceased characters should be referred to in the past tense.


 * Thirdly, it's common practice to protect articles that are heavily trafficked, prone to vandalism, or the subject of edit-wars, etc... however it seems that no reason was given for Olenna being locked, so I'll remove the protection for you. Please let me know if this is ever an issue in the future. Cheers. - 06:29, May 8, 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know about the other fanon Wikis! I really appreciate it!!

~st


 * No worries. - 10:02, May 17, 2017 (UTC)

Character Categories on Cersei's Page
Why is Cersei still the first to appear in ] when it looks as though someone already removed it from her page? And why are all those other character categories still on her page?--Shaneymike (talk) 02:12, May 17, 2017 (UTC)


 * I have no idea why it is doing this... stressing me out, that's for sure. I'll contact a tech team member and see if they can fix it. - 10:02, May 17, 2017 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I just noticed something else. Ramsay is still categorized as an "unsourced quote", even though his top quote is sourced. Weird.--Shaneymike (talk) 01:48, May 19, 2017 (UTC)


 * I think it must be a different quote on the page that's causing that. - 12:53, May 28, 2017 (UTC)

Consistency in episode titles
In March of this year, the page title for "Winter is Coming" was changed to "Winter Is Coming" with a capital "I," consistent with the HBO website. Does this mean the other episode titles (listed below) should be changed to keep consistency?

Alternatively, should the "Winter Is Coming" page be retitled to "Winter is Coming (episode)" instead?
 * "You Win Or You Die"
 * "What Is Dead May Never Die"

Just wanted to know your thoughts on the matter.

Kind regards,

Queen of the Andals and the First Men (talk) 10:59, May 28, 2017 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, good question... I would tentatively say yes. The HBO website is probably the best set standard to follow, as the DVDs are often different from country to country.


 * On a related note, your work on making the episode infobox images consistent is fantastic! - 12:53, May 28, 2017 (UTC)


 * Sounds good. Would you mind if I did in fact change them at this moment?
 * And thank-you so much for your kind words. I really appreciate it!
 * Queen of the Andals and the First Men (talk) 13:03, May 28, 2017 (UTC)