User talk:ArticXiongmao

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Enjoy your editing and please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:47, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

New images
Please categorize your new images according to the standards set by other images.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 22:38, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

Warning!
You haven't categorized and licensed the recent images you've uploaded to the wiki, ignoring our image policy. Consider this your last warning! – The Snow Prince (talk) 13:14, June 9, 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I was unaware of this, not to say that is any excuse. It has been completely corrected and I'll license and categorize the images from now on. ArticXiongmao (talk) 13:49, June 9, 2014 (UTC)

You keep writing "Vandalism" as "Bandalism". Thank you for warning the Admins about that guy.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 13:57, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry. Don't know what I was thinking. You're the guy, right? He was insulting you all over the wiki 85.84.215.155 14:48, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

Shae
I was certain that Varys gave her golden chains when they discussed about her future-life in the Free Cities ("Mhysa"), but it turned out to be diamonds after I watched that scene recently. I can't remember when Tyrion gifted her the golden chains though... which episode was it? – The Snow Prince (talk) 10:14, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

Sometime in season 3, after Tyrion is promised to Sansa, but before the wedding. Can't quite place the episode. I'm pretty sure it's "The Bear and the Maiden Fair". Shae's page tells us about the chains but the Season 3 section is an unsourced mess (someone really should sort that out), and Tyrion's page doesn't even mention them. ArticXiongmao (talk) 10:45, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

"In the books"
Yes, on the "Differences" page, we need to include the phrase "in the books" because out of context, it isn't clear if certain short statements like "The Thenns are not cannibals" refer to their status in the books or in the TV series.

The general rule of thumb for dividing material between "Notes" and the "Differences" page, is that the "Differences" page is for stuff book-fans would notice...but a difference will be put into the main episode page's notes if a change is significant enough that it might confuse TV-first viewers. Things like "The Qarth storyline got expanded in the TV series", or "Talisa was Jeyne Westerling in the books but got changed around in the TV version". Similarly, Tyrion's murder of Tywin is the important closing scene of the third novel, all of his past involving Tysha comes to a head with that, and it is quite bizarre that they changed it.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 12:11, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. And yes, it does belong there, but not in a different sub-section, does it? I re-consolidated it now without losing any information (only details about Tysha's original story, which are told in the link that leads to Tysha's page, after all.) And it's not so bizarre they changed it. They told the story once and alluded two it one time each season from then on; it wouldn't have had the same dramatic impact for the viewer. Even the attentive viewer, who would have known what they were talking about, wouldn't have actually felt the drama exposed in the books. Could've emphasized it in earlier seasons, that's true. Also, I edited the opinion from Westeros.org. I don't know why an opinion fits there (even if it it's from someone notable), but if it does, at least it should reflect what they actually said: they were not "utterly baffled"; they were critical because it eliminated complexity from the scene, and then they said it may have been a good idea to cut it for the TV show. ArticXiongmao (talk) 12:35, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

...Why wouldn't I choose to put it in a separate sub-section? It's important enough that as an Admin-level decision I separated it as a subsection.

Yes, this was bizarre. Yes, they were setting it up. Yes, viewers should have been able to remember a simple story he told prominently in Season 1.

This entirely changed Tyrion's motivations for killing his own father and I am stunned that you actually think this improved the drama.

Yes, I did need to rephrase the note about Westeros.org's review. NO, they did NOT say it was a good idea to cut it: they didn't review the past seasons and seemed to have forgotten that Tyrion actually did explain it within TV season 1, or any of her other subsequent TV mentions in the following seasons. Elio phrased it as "if it had never been mentioned AT ALL before, why introduce it now?" He was in error; it had indeed prominently been introduced before.

Indeed, Elio responded to a post I made on the YT video asking about this, and he said: "It removes a great deal of the pathos and tragedy. Some is there still, of course, but it's significantly less powerful than it could have been. Shae, in particular, more than anything.﻿"

...but you then quoted their misunderstanding, out of context, to present it as if they were okay with it?

I'm going to restore that sub-section, only updating the Westeros.org stuff.

Do not revert it again or edit it in any capacity. You already reverted my Administrator-level edit once before, asking "how can this be a sub-section?"-- according to what rules? The rules I make as an Administrator? Try to alter that section again and I'll give you a temporary ban as a warning.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:35, June 19, 2014 (UTC)

Categorize
Categorize new images.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 03:50, June 19, 2014 (UTC)

Question
Question: I just googled your name; do you run a Tumblr account named "ArticXiongmao", or is it just a coincidence that it has the same name? Because "Xiongmao" means "panda", but "arctic" has a "c" in it.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:19, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

Artic is a nickname, it does not refer to the adjective. And yes, Xiongmao stands for panda and I was aware of it. I have a couple of Tumblr accounts, one of them is safe for work (lukanieto), and this one isn't, although I don't use it much. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 21:31, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

...are you male or female? Look, the "ArticXiongMao" Tumblr account isn't just "Not safe for work" but "hardcore sex gifs, plot what plot?" -- you can't keep using the same screename for both. It is inappropriate. Can you either change your screename to "Lukanieto" or create a new profile altogether named "Lukanieto"?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:48, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

I fail to see how my gender is in any way relevant? But yes, the minute I realized my tumblr had the same name as this account, I thought about changing it, don't worry. Still, those are my personal accounts, I don't see how it's none of your concern. There are no guidelines about this when joining the wiki, as far as I could see, probably because that would be ridiculous and ridiculously prudish. Even if I used my real names for both, I can be an amateur editor for a wiki and have my own tumblr blog with whatever I want on it. But don't worry, we needn't have this discussion; I was going to change it anyway.

Done. I've changed the Tumblr address. —ArticXiongmao ( talk ) 22:14, September 17, 2014 (UTC)


 * I've had bad experiences in the past - admittedly by people who were not you. "Back in the day" years ago, an Admin on wikipedia kept harassing me and other people attempting to work on a set of related articles for a particular TV series. Much later, we gradually realized that the only reason he'd become an Administrator is by diligently making hundreds of edits into the pages of pornographic actresses - nor did he seem to understand that this was something to do in private. It also weirded me out that...he used his real name as his screename, and indeed accused the rest of us for being "bizarre" by not revealing to him our personal names. Now this was like eight years ago, ancient history...but I'm concerned about the stereotype of "this scifi/fantasy show is only popular because horny fanboys like to see the T&A in it". This is not you personally, I've just had some really bad experiences.


 * Your writeup about the Arianne Martell situation over on Lukanieto.tumblr was actually spot-on. I hope they're just casting her later.

P.S. I've been busy with the new schoolyear starting and yes, our Season articles need a good overhaul - I haven't had time to devote attention to how much or how little we should say in the Season 5 article. Thank you for updating it so much - I'm writing to give you a headsup that I will be going over it soon, but I don't want to offend you for changing the substantive work you've already done on it. It's just the revision process...and you'll probably revise whatever I have to say too. Dear god, what if the ironborn are cut entirely? Madness.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:22, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

I didn't know it was that easy to change Tumblr account names. That's fine - just so long as it's not the exact same thing as your username here so it doesn't come up in google-search, etc.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:25, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

Do you agree with the Arianne thing? Honestly, I thought you were more of a purist than that. I don't mean to offend at all, by the way. As for your bad experiences, I get that. And I was happy to help out with the Season articles. And no, I won't get offended by changes to the Season 5 articles, obviously. My only strict guideline when editing is that I'm not a fan of too much speculation in the production and adaptation sections, as you may have already seen (IMHO, best to state the facts and possibilities and let people form their own opinions.)  —ArticXiongmao (talk) 22:29, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

Well, I meant your analysis was logical...I'd still prefer Arianne; I'd still prefer Willas Tyrell.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:34, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

Gotha :) —ArticXiongmao (talk) 22:39, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

Article titles
The names of articles about characters do not include the character's title.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 19:32, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

Meena Rayann
Source of her casting please.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 20:51, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

What? It's already in the Season 5 page... I don't understand. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 21:25, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

That's specifically the problem: you can't just make a sourced statement "Meena Rayann as Meereenese noblewoman" on the Season 5 page....and then not give the citation on the Meen Rayann page itself! When you made the Meena Rayann page you had to fill out these citations.

Immediately drop whatever else you're doing and add these citations to every new page you've made.

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Special:NewPages

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:51, September 24, 2014 (UTC)

Season 5 character summaries
I had an idea but I wanted to run it past you before editing anything because it's a pretty major edit across several pages, on the character summaries and background section of the new major characters for Season 5. There's been some issues with the Dornish characters in terms of what we think we know vs how it was in the book, and also with the High Sparrow ("How much should we spoil, exactly?"). Then I realized... We got official descriptions, along with the Comic Con reveal! So why not use them?

I'm thinking particularly about characters such as Doran or the High Sparrow, whose respective official descriptions explain their roles perfectly without spoling anything; Myrcella, whose role in the show so far is summarized perfectly; and Trystane and the Sand Snakes, whose differences with the book counterparts have created some confusion on the Wiki.

So my suggestion is to use these official descriptions, pretty much word for word, at least until we get anything more substantial, and use the "In the books" section for whatever differences there seem to be, such as Trystane being the heir or Tyene using daggers (...for some strange reason; I hope they don't turn Tyene and Nym into Obara lookalikes.)

Anyway, what do you think? :) —ArticXiongmao (talk) 20:35, September 21, 2014 (UTC)

...Were you too busy updating your pornography Tumblr to bother to check any of the Talk pages in which we already discussed this weeks ago?

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:House_Martell

As stated before, even Westeros.org thought that the SDCC casting descriptions were very suspicious to the point that they wrote in to ask HBO to confirm if there had been an error. The casting descriptions given out at the time of SDCC are officially unreliable, and we're waiting for more information. Yes, this means that articles like "Tyene Sand" are half-finished...we are powerless to fix this, and it's HBO's own damned fault for not being more clear about the TV continuity character relationships.

Pay Attention.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:01, September 24, 2014 (UTC)

No ridiculous delusion of power excuses your blatant unprofessionalism as an administrator. I have never seen anything like this, let alone in a platform built for and supported by volunteers. Abuse your powers as you wish inside the wiki, but you better not harass me outside of its confines ever again. I graciously changed my Tumblr's name to please you, even though you were being anything but gracious or even remotely civil. But now you have crossed a moral line, and you are extremely close to crossing a legal one. No, I am afraid you are in no place to continue using my personal lifestyle as a form of insult or admonition —and more importantly, you have no right to harass me with my private entertainment, which has absolutely nothing to do with this.

The thing is, in stark contrast to yourself, I do not depend on this wiki for my sense of self-worth. As every other sane person here, I am a volunteer editor in my free time. This means I do not need to stand for this, so I will not suffer any more ridiculous bullying or harassment from the likes of you. I hope you change your ways, not only because your shockingly unprofessional behavior disrupts any possible sense of community but also because you have earned and will continue to earn the dislike of many. Dislike, not hate —nobody but you cares about this wiki enough to muster the will to "hate" because of it. Most people have better things to do with their time.

You have lost yet another productive editor, again only because you could not bother to try and behave like a functioning adult, and instead used this platform as your own childish power trip. Maybe you should start wondering if it is not everyone around you who is wrong. Maybe it is you. Maybe this wiki would function a hundred times more efficiently and with happier editors if you were nowhere in sight. But I very much doubt you will realize this, let alone admit to it. After all, you would never abandon your ridiculous "dominion" so easily. Goodbye, and grow up. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 10:17, September 24, 2014 (UTC)

You crossed a line.

No ridiculous delusion of power excuses your blatant unprofessionalism as an administrator, that everyone has seen many times and in this case you can see in my own "User talk" page. I have never seen anything like this, let alone in a platform built for and supported by volunteers. Abuse your powers as you wish inside the wiki, but you better not harass me outside of its confines ever again. I graciously changed my Tumblr's name to please you, even though you were being anything but gracious or even remotely civil. But now you have crossed a moral line, and you are extremely close to crossing a legal one. No, I am afraid you are in no place to continue using my personal lifestyle as a form of insult or admonition —and more importantly, you have no right to harass me with my private entertainment, which has absolutely nothing to do with this.

The thing is, in stark contrast to yourself, I do not depend on this wiki for my sense of self-worth. As every other sane person here, I am a volunteer editor in my free time. This means I do not need to stand for this, so I will not suffer any more ridiculous bullying or harassment from the likes of you. I hope you change your ways, not only because your shockingly unprofessional behavior disrupts any possible sense of community but also because you have earned and will continue to earn the dislike of many. Dislike, not hate —nobody but you cares about this wiki enough to muster the will to "hate" because of it. Most people have better things to do with their time.

You have lost yet another productive editor, again only because you could not bother to try and behave like a functioning adult, and instead used this platform as your own childish power trip. Maybe you should start wondering if it is not everyone around you who is wrong. Maybe it is you. Maybe this wiki would function a hundred times more efficiently and with happier editors if you were nowhere in sight. But I very much doubt you will realize this, let alone admit to it. After all, you would never abandon your ridiculous "dominion" so easily. Goodbye, and grow up. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 10:18, September 24, 2014 (UTC)

Which is more? Five disunited forces or one smaller but united force? You have been causing more problems than you solve.

First, there was a time when people would be humiliated for publicly maintaining porn blogs, using the same screename as elsewhere. This was unprofessionalism. And the thought occurred that you should be apologizing for this, not me apologizing to you. I'm worried that sort of behavior might eventually scare off female editors, and wikis already have gender imbalance problems.

Second, it's your own fault for not paying attention to Season 5 casting info policy which we discussed weeks ago.

Third, you've been running roughshod over the wiki for a while and it is time to rein you in.

Meaning specifically, Fourth: actually fill out in full the actor and character pages you have created recently, instead of leaving them as half finished work for others to follow. When I said "drop what you're doing and finish this immediately", I meant that as a literal order: if you do not I will give you a warning ban. You need to follow basic directions.

This is your only warning.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 13:23, September 24, 2014 (UTC)

I gave you a direct order to drop what you were doing and fill out the actor pages you left half finished. I said this was your only warning. You ignored the warning, and instead have been adding small fixes to the "in the books" sections.

I'm giving you a one week temporary warning ban for this.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:41, September 29, 2014 (UTC)

Serial commas
Use serial commas.

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Season_5?diff=162398&oldid=162397

"Regular directors Neil Marshall, Alex Graves, Alik Sakharov and Michelle MacLaren will not be returning for Season 5."

This sentence is meaningless. "Sakharov and MacLaren" are not a conceptual unit like "Benioff and Weiss".

Graves, Sakharov, (comma) and MacLaren.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:30, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Hey, I realize I've been annoyed with you a few times and I'm sorry about that. You couldn't have been aware of this but for the weeks between when Season 4 ended and early October, I was getting increasingly annoyed at Werthead, leading up to the big fight we had three weeks ago. I was taking out my frustrations on minor points with you. I hope that in hindsight that makes more sense, I was walking around being angry about other matters.

But that's over now and time to focus on Season 5.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:38, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

No worries. My response was also too explosive. I apologize for that. And yeah, now to wait for Season 5, huh? Big news come almost every week. BTW, I standardised the order of the sections in each of the episodes from all seasons (using the seasons 3 and 4 order), and added the seasons 3&4 style "In the books" section in the episodes from the first two seasons. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 20:51, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for re-correcting the edit ​I made on Bronn's page about him being a recurring character in the first season.

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Image uploads
Hey, just a quick note about uploading images: All images from Game of Thrones need to be tagged with "HBOImage" enclosed with {{ as copyright law requires us to acknowledge that ownership of the images we use here belongs to HBO. Images also need to be categorized to prevent them from becoming orphaned/unused, and need to be uploaded under specific file names that are relevant to the subject; for example: "Sansa's new clothes.jpg" rather than 12345678.jpg. Thanks.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 11:16, November 11, 2014 (UTC)


 * Sorry. I simply uploaded a new version of an already existing image (because the quality of the original was horrendous), and I assumed it already had the proper tags. I noticed the name, but I couldn't change it, because it was substituting an existing image, right? Normally I do this right. Anyway, I fixed it. Fixed other recent images as well, uploaded by other people, which lacked the HBOImage box and other information. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 11:21, November 11, 2014 (UTC)


 * Ah, I see. Thanks for sorting that out. And yes, only admins can move file names. Thanks again.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner Ser Patrek mini shield.png 11:31, November 11, 2014 (UTC)


 * Try and remember to categorize your image uploads.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner Ser Patrek mini shield.png 20:04, November 16, 2014 (UTC)

New actors in Season 5 category
That's not what the Seasons categories are for. Please remove that categorization in all the articles.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 04:46, November 15, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry. Done ;) —ArticXiongmao (talk) 13:38, November 15, 2014 (UTC)

Images
Make sure official Game of Thrones images are tagged as "HBOImage". Thanks.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 13:52, November 27, 2014 (UTC)

Isabella Steinbarth
You made the page for Isabella Steinbarth, and loaded up the image there. It isn't from her IMDB page.

Now we're getting this message:

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Greater_good?diff=169591&oldid=165986

Explanation?

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:15, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

I took the wrong photo for some reason. I cannot really explain it. I fixed it. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 10:50, January 23, 2015 (UTC)

News Source
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Season_5?diff=169714&oldid=169678

Do not link to WinterIsComing.net. They have been blacklisted as a news source for plagiarizing this wiki.

They're not "WinterIsComing.net" anymore. The original staff moved to WatchersOnTheWall.com.

But you know this you read both.

Look, there are ways around this: instead of linking directly to an old WiC.net report, link to the report that they were quoting as a source.

In this specific case, it's from the pre-WatchersOnTheWall.com revolt so....just link to a more recent WotW.com report mentioning Maggy the Frog.

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:23, January 22, 2015 (UTC)

I despise WiC. Didn't know they were blacklisted, tho. Good to know. Now I don't feel bad if I change a WiC reference to a WotW one. Thanks. Still, be aware; by undoing my edit, you broke the reference string again, which was what I attempted with my edit (since Maggy was cast, someone took her out of the list of "reported to be cast", but she was the one who had the link for a whole lot of characters.) Since this piece of news was pre-Fansided shitstorm, I linked to this WotW article, which mentioned all of these leaked casting calls the staff had previously reported at WiC. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 10:45, January 23, 2015 (UTC)

The Children re Tysha
Please list the specific points from the Tysha note on "The Children" which you feel need to be changed.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:54, March 3, 2015 (UTC)

Baratheon Numbers at the Battle of Castle Black
Since I'm both a very boring and a very bored person, I counted the Baratheon cavalry in the Battle of Castle Black. I might have missed a few, but it's pretty precise. 1,451 come from the South, from the Wall side, including Stannis and Davos, and 1,323 come from the North. All in all, about 2,770 of Stannis' 3,000 army he said he had. Maybe he didn't have enough horses, maybe he left some men behind at Eastwatch and/or Dragonstone. Either way, here's the counting:



Actually Stannis said he had 4,000 men left overall...it's good to count but I think it's overthinking it. He's got 4,000 men overall, and he probably has a couple hundred making it west on foot with the baggage train - this is as many cavalry  as he had left.

...one thing: I thought Davos was riding with Stannis, not commanding a pincer.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 14:41, March 24, 2015 (UTC)

Trystane pic
I'm not annoyed about TV-Tyene anymore, now that I've realized she's a specific combination of book-Tyene and book-Elia Sand (though I do wish they'd cast someone who was South Asian if they wanted her more like Ellaria). At any rate I was relieved when I heard that she does use poison as her signature weapon: poisoned daggers.

Anyway, where did you get that new pick of Trystane?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:05, April 4, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I've seen your analysis on the subject. The restructuring of those pages, especially Tyene's, was really well done. Some wonderful work there. Hadn't noticed the Elia parallel; they are certainly doing an amalgamation there, while maintaining Tyene's most prominent features —she's petite and innocent-looking compared to her elder sisters, and she uses poisons.

As for that Trystane pic, I took it from TWOW's Twitter. Where did they get it? Good question. Probably directly from HBO? —ArticXiongmao (talk) 01:10, April 4, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Yes I see now - I wondered because maybe the source had more new photos. Whatever, a good pic is a good pic...now we can finally give him a decent family tree photo.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:13, April 4, 2015 (UTC)

No more profile, huh? He's not a King in a coin, after all.

I see you've edited the family tree, btw. Now the 3 cast Sand Snakes are individually listed. That's great!

EDIT: I just noticed, Sarella is in the third place, because her mother is "Various women". Couldn't this be amended? There is enough space for "A peasant", "An eastern noblewoman" and "A ship captain", maybe? Just to keep it all in order, and consistent so that the explanation of the mothers is not in their daughters' boxes. Tyene's especially, since the dotted line already marks Ellaria as her mother; no need to reiterate it. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 01:15, April 4, 2015 (UTC)

I considered that but it doesn't really work - the relationship boxes get really confusing if someone has more than two spouses. Yeah there's space for "a peasant woman" and "an eastern noblewoman" on the left side...but how would they link to the Oberyn box without the lines crossing over each other? This was the best solution.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:28, April 4, 2015 (UTC)

Episode synopsis
Those synposises were proven as fake? What are the confirmed synopsises we do have?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:47, April 11, 2015 (UTC)

1 to 3 were real, reported weeks before 4 to 7. A person supposedly from SpoilerTV reported the 4-7 synopses on the comment section of a The Watchers on the Wall article. Sue the Fury published it, presumably after making sure it was real, but then Bryan Cogman said some of the information was wrong (the episodes he wrote), and SpoilerTV didn't publish this information at all. So, it was fake, and Sue in fact deleted the article. You won't find it, if you look for it. I deleted the ones I could (from the season 5 page, and one episode which was unblocked,) but the others are blocked. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 20:58, April 11, 2015 (UTC)

Image uploads
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/File:Dothrakhorses.jpg

This was specifically titled "DothrakiHorses". It was used as an image of the detailed wooden horse statues at the gates of Vaes Dothrak, not the city in general.

DO NOT "reload" images with entirely separate shots, under the same file name. Or at least check what's linking to it - you would have seen that "Great Stallion" uses that image. If you have a wide-shot of the city, simply load it up as a separate file name.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:54, April 12, 2015 (UTC)

You did the same thing to a few other images:

We already have an aerial image of the Great Sept of Baelor, but you copied over the image we needed of the entrance to the sept, with the statue. GreatSeptS3.jpg

You also did this for the shot of the direwolves running, but I'll rework that.

Don't upload new versions of an image under the same name if the file you load up looks significantly different.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:03, April 12, 2015 (UTC)

Upcoming episodes
I don't think it's a good idea to post your notes on books to screen for unaired episodes here, even on your talk page.

Why didn't you simply write these as a Word document on your personal computer, and simply leave them offline?

Also you're proverbially biting off more than we can chew: we're not finished updating the wiki for EPISODE ONE of Season 5. Even one episode a week is a fast rate for us.

But you're jumping ahead to work on lists comparing specific chapters from the advanced episodes?

Look, I understand if...pointing out which chapter each scene is based on is "what you're good at", and you just dashed it off quickly. But we need to prioritize on current stuff.

At any rate, while you were actually trying to be as careful as you could....inherently, the new editors jumping on for Season 5 can see your edits in the "recent changes" feed, and it encourages them to outright add information into articles.

This is not a warning or anything, but please just keep your "in the books" chapter notes offline until each episode airs.

I blanked them on here, but you should be able to pull the notes you already had from the History tab, there's still there.

I"m doing this because yet another new user just asked if he could add info based on leaked episode information.

We need to be thorough about "The Wars to Come", one episode at a time.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:38, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

That is wise. I had hoped people wouldn't visit anyone's Talk page, but you're right that it's risky. Unfortunately the "Talk page" edits appear in the recent pages. I'll do it privately, outside the wiki. As for why I'm doing that and not other stuff, well, mostly it's because I'm really interested in the process of adaptation, and I'm re-reading the books right now so I have them fresh in my mind, and the "In the books" section is usually lacking for months, so I wanted to have it prepared. Anyway, I'll try and help out with the other stuff too. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 10:18, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Sorry
I've only just seen what Alexandervonweimenn had written on your talk-page. I've blocked him.--Ser Patrek (talk) 12:46, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. He was just a troll. He did that because I undid one of his changes; Obara's famous book quote, from an unreleased episode.—ArticXiongmao (talk) 13:03, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Question
I am remaining unspoiled and have not watched.

But a question was asked regarding House Florent.

Please answer with a "yes" or "no":

In the leaked episodes, is there any mention that Shireen and Samwell are related, because their mothers are both Florents? Any mention of House Florent at all?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:52, April 16, 2015 (UTC)


 * No. :) 22:25, April 16, 2015 (UTC)


 * No, to both. Is their relation mentioned in AFFC? —ArticXiongmao (talk) 22:57, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

...Damn it. Well Shireen didn't have that many scenes in AFFC. Maybe the Viewer's Guide will make some mention of it, I don't know.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:30, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Mossador's page
There appears to be something wrong with Mossador's primary page photo. You uploaded a better version of my picture, yet the profile only shows my version of the photo. And it appears to be way to big (vertically). Can you manage to fix it? :/--Sebahed (talk) 22:23, April 17, 2015 (UTC)

Jaime/Cersei
User talk:ArticXiongmao/Jaime/Cersei scene

Indira Varma
You misrepresented me when you said that I was deleting her other roles.

I was not doing any such thing. All I did was to place Torchwood above her other roles.

I was simply rectify her Torchwood work which people neglected to mention before. 58.109.94.172 00:12, April 20, 2015 (UTC)

Prostitutes from High Sparrow
Turns out the prostitute characters from High Sparrow have recurred in the past and will recur next episode; need to sort out recurring character casting; see talk page on "High Sparrow" and continue discussion there, I have some links; please cite the ones you identified with links, etc.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:38, May 2, 2015 (UTC)

Images
Please try and remember to add the licensing template when uploading new images. Images that are property of HBO need to be tagged as "HBOImage".--Ser Patrek (talk) 05:24, May 11, 2015 (UTC)

Editing Vandalized articles
If you see vandalism in a page you're about to edit (like the "Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken" article) please be so kind as to eliminate the traces of vandalism.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 02:26, May 18, 2015 (UTC)

House Forrester
Hai! i just wanted to leave a request about putting House Forrester as one of the combatants in The War Of The Five Kings page. They are sworn to House Glover and helped House Stark alot. Have a nice weekend.

Bad news
http://watchersonthewall.com/game-of-thrones-season-6-spain-scouting-shifts-from-navarre-to-almeria/

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:14, June 10, 2015 (UTC)

I planned on visiting the set, if they filmed in Navarra. Now... Nope, I'm not gonna go "as south as south goes", hehe. So yeah, bad news for me. But it doesn't really matter overall, right? We don't even know what they want to film. Dothraki Sea or Red Mountains are my best guesses. I love Bardenas, though. Has a kind of otherwordly feeling that few places have (Almería certainly doesn't.) But maybe they aren't looking for that, anyway. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 00:34, June 11, 2015 (UTC)

Clegane
Check the ser gregor talk page i replied5.170.40.242 19:11, June 15, 2015 (UTC)

Sir?
So many edits and you write "Sir" instead of "Ser"?--Gonzalo84 (talk) 16:52, June 19, 2015 (UTC)

Oops. Still, does that merit commenting it here? It was just a typo ;) —ArticXiongmao (talk) 16:54, June 19, 2015 (UTC)

Sand Snakes fight
Thank you for removing those parts from the "Sand Snakes fight" section that you did; in hindsight they were a bit of a reach, and straying off-topic.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:53, June 30, 2015 (UTC)

They included perfeclty fine information, it just didn't belong in a section dedicated to the infamous Sand Snake fight. I see you have distributed the deleted parts to more appropriate places. Good idea. Should've done that myself, honestly. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 23:56, June 30, 2015 (UTC)

Temporary ban
You have been temporarily suspended from editing this wiki for uncivil behavior (insulting language). Being civil or not is not dependent on the encyclopedic level of certain articles, articles can be improved and tweaked without resorting to insults or posturing.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 19:07, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I insulted a guy who does not abide by any wiki rule in his writing, and constantly insults and harasses other users. I've been informed that other Wiki users are building a list of all the many, many times that The Dragon Demands has insulted them, among other transgressions. Aside from harassing and insulting people, he always makes references to "admin-level decisions", and threatens people with bans if they do not abide by those decisions, essentially shutting down all possibilities for discussion. Personally, he outright stalked me through my username (why was he trying to find things about me? Answer me that) and harassed and shamed me into changing the address of my personal, private —not advertised anywhere AT ALL— Tumblr for explicit content, because, since it shared a name with my username here, it's "unprofessional" (even thought it didn't have anything to do with this wiki and being a volunteer editor is not a profession.) Later he used this issue (in which I was the victim) to continue to shame me, with gems like: "Were you too busy updating your pornography Tumblr to bother to check any of the Talk pages in which we already discussed this weeks ago?" In what world is that acceptable? Why the hell hasn't HE been banned a thousand times over? Oh, he's an administrator. What a surprise. Shameless. Absolutely shameless. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 11:49, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

A few years ago, we held a vote on whether or not Dragon should have his Admin rights removed. Believe it or not, he was much worse at the time. In the end he kept his rights after promising to tone it down. He said he would change, and I thought we should give him another chance. (for reference: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Should_Dragon_Demands_be_demoted%3F#REGARDING_THE_DRAGON_DEMANDS)

There are times when I regret voting in his favour, such as when he acts out like when he tried to have me perma-banned (he thought I'd hired people to vandalise his user page), or when he perma-bans first time users for mistakes rather than explaining how the wiki works. Our wiki has a horrible reputation in the Wikia community because of this. I've lost count of how many times I've been in Wikia chatrooms and seen them mocking us and "That crazy Dragon guy", saying "Don't edit there, you'll just get perma-banned and the other Admins don't give a shit".

You can always ask the other Admins to hold another vote, but I don't think it'll work.  DRAEVAN13  12:26, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

So a proven bully, harasser and stalker who does what he wants in the wiki, essentially writing opinion articles instead of encyclopedic text, all thanks to the threat of his banhammer, is able to keep doing what he wants because... the other admins "don't give a shit"? Well, it does explain things, at the very least.

Having read through the evidence presented in the previous incident, I must say I don't see how he was "much worst." He was more brazen, I'll grant you that, but his actions are the same —threatening and aggressive language, all-too-common threats of bans for daring to contradict him on a non-administrative issue (again, shutting down all possibility for discussion), then actually going through with some of those bans; not to speak of the times he has harassed people (or stalked and shamed me, as you can see above in the sections "Question " and "Season 5 Character Summaries ".) How is that all of this doesn't result in an automatic ban? Let alone revoking his admin status; it should be beyond obvious that putting an end to this ego-trip of his is the only reasonable thing to do. Other users (such as I, for example) have been BANNED, sometimes permanently, for much less than all of his transgressions. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 13:04, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

The thing is, Dragon does do a lot of good when he's editing articles, undoing vandalism, and updating the new content when a new season of GoT is airing. If he gets demoted he'll probably leave the wiki, and then the work and backlog will pile up. It'd be against the other Admins' interests to demote him, since they'd have to replace him or be more active themselves. Notice how Dragon is the only Admin here on a daily basis, while most other Admins leave for days, weeks, or even months at a time. I'm sure there's a good reason as people have lives outside the wiki, but it's still true.

I've been in contact with the Wikia Staff multiple times and they've told me they've gotten lots of complaints about him. Though they agree with the complaints, short of him banning everyone or starting to issue death threats or something equally extreme, they don't want to get involved.  DRAEVAN13  13:15, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I imagined that the main reason nobody does anything about it is that he's so active and does indeed do a lot of work, some of it quite good. That's an absurd reason not do do anything, of course, but I do understand it. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 13:22, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

All we can do is hope he'll change. For the sixth or seventh time.  DRAEVAN13  13:25, August 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * He has no reason to change if nodoby reacts against the aggression and harassment, the liberal threat and use of bans, and the opinion articles thinly veiled as encyclopedic texts. I'm pretty sure he truly, honestly believes he's being 100% rational and agreeable.—ArticXiongmao (talk) 13:43, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

It's not a mere matter of "insulting": cursing at people is uncivil. I never cursed at you, that's not comparable.

...I wish this "list" of complaints would have been simply brought to my attention instead of not letting me know there was a problem.

Second: ArtixXiongMao, my intention was not to "stalk" and harass you and yes it was kind of inappropriate, but I googled your screename and your tumblr came up on top of the first page. It doesn't matter if it wasn't "advertised" anywhere, that's just how google search works. I then complained that you really shouldn't use the same screename for such things if you want to keep them private, and you changed your screename. Have I brought that up again in months?

As for banning accusations, your recent temp ban was due to uncivil language and made by Gonzalo84, not me.

I promised the other Admins I wouldn't ban you myself because it would be inappropriate. Do you see me "running around banning" you?

Overall I'm genuinely confused: we were always comparing the books to the TV series on here, for years, by the time you joined. If you want to focus on bare things like casting announcements and production info, why didn't you focus on the main wikipedia pages about that? I don't mean that accusingly it's just...it seems better suited to what you're seeking and I don't know why you wouldn't prefer that.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 13:40, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

Of course you are confused. Nobody has ever brought up these awful actions of yours! This is all a surprise to you! It always is, somehow. And don't make this about me; yes, I'm a casual editor, I mostly edit technical stuff. But I don't believe that's all the wiki is for, as you always claim I do; it's a nice strawman, though. However, most of your big projects are mostly opinion articles. It's quite telling that you always question me about these issues, and seem confused when it so happens that I agree with you. You actually cannot fathom why I wouldn't want those articles on the wiki, as written, if I agree with them, which is quite hilarious. They are not encyclopedic. At all. They'd be laughed out of freaking Wikipedia. They are opinion articles, and if someone dares to change anything (after the months of blocking, which go on indefinitely if someone doesn't insist), they are threatened with bans. Do you not see how your behavior is detestable?

I know you didn't ban me. I was prepared for the ban and have not fought it. I was asking why you haven't been banned for your much worse behavior. It's now pretty clear why.

I won't engage you further through here, TDD. It has proven to be an ineffective method to relay to you the complaints people have against your behavior —it's a conversation you seem to be totally uninterested in having; you're always surprised it's an issue at all, and it never goes beyond that. I'm tired of this cycle. Now I have my explanation of why you're still an administrator or a user at all; understandably, nobody is willing to spend as much time of their daily lives as you do dealing with this wiki. Fair enough. DRAEVAN13, I hope the matter is resolved, but I too have few expectations. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 13:46, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

Well I object strongly to the cursing, please don't do that in the future it can lead to further bans. Cursing was provocative and only inflamed tempers, let's calm down now.

I welcome your constructive criticism about the articles on gender, rape, etc. so long as it remains civil. The blanket-statement yelling about it was not...productive.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:09, August 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * One thing you should keep in min Artic is that this is not Wikipedia. The purpose of the Wikia Project was to provide a space free of the notability guidelines and such of our mother project.

I have read some of the articles in contention and I believe Dragon tried to provide different sources and views on controversial matters among the fandom (such as the Jaime/Cersei scene or Sansa's wedding night or how come the writers cut off the Tysha confession but gave us minutes of the useless Orson Lannister monologue). They do similarly at Wookiepedia. If an article gives the impression of being biased it can be tweaked, nevertheless. But articles on themes and subject matters are not uncommon.

As for other matters I remain adamant: we will keep comparing show to book. Should a matter of adaptation prove controversial it wil be addressed here by contrasting the differing opinions. Like Wookiepedia, which we sometimes employ as a model, GoT Wiki is a manifestation of the fandom. Just like Lucas-hate or Lucas-gushing have articles, there, or the Jar Jar Binks article addresses the unpopularity of the character or the Watto one addresses that the character was criticized as a jewish stereotype. Neutrality is an ilussion, but we must try to remain OBJECTIVE - which is not the same.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 16:16, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

We should compare show to book. Everything you said sounds reasonable to me. If you think it wouldn't, you were probably paying attention to TDD's strawman of me instead of to me.

Random example: see that part in the "rape" article (previously only in the "Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken" page) where the media reaction to Sansa's rape is shown? When TDD originally wrote it, the negative reactions were literally the only ones portrayed, and the text was generally a mess, until I came in and added the very many positive reactions the scene got, and reestructured it a bit. You can go and look up how the text was before. Gone unchecked, TDD is everything but "objective."

Anyway, it's impressive how, yet again, it's all about me and the fact that apparently I don't like comparisons to the book, and that that's my main issue with TDD. Aside from the non-objectivity, and a general sense of aggression and entitlement (very much a "the showrunners should explain themselves for this atrocity!"), what about the threats of banning to crush any possibility for discussion, Gonzalo? What about that time he stalked me and shamed me into changing the name of my own personal Tumblr blog? And that's just me! —ArticXiongmao (talk) 16:27, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

Regarding that incident with your tumblr blog; I haven't brought that up myself since it happened, as I thought it would only embarrass you; (you're the one bringing that up now) - yes I shouldn't have yelled about it at the time, but even then I said it was really prudent to not use the same specific screename for something like that. But that's in the past: I really didn't want to drag it up again and I haven't since then. There's no need to keep bringing that up now.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:22, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

...yes, and I thought adding positive reactions to the Sansa scene was a good idea, and encouraged you to add it. That's...that's just growing and refining the article. If you wanted to cut it entirely from the proposed article on Rape purely for size limitations etc. you could have just said that.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:25, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

Yes.

Look, I was upset and surprised by the cursing, but if anything I was trying to address many of your criticisms before this (i.e. on the Jaime/Cersei subpage). Draevan13 is getting a lot more of this addressed by disagreeing/reacting/compromising civily, not by launching into personal attacks. As honest and non-condescending advice, you'd get your points across much more effectively if you go about it the way he is.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:04, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

...Watto was a jewish stereotype?!--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:38, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

Right now your one week temp ban is in place until Friday. If you simply apologize specifically just for that insulting outburst in which you were cursing, I'll lift the ban immediately. If you will be civil (stop cursing) about this we can both work together on refining it.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:27, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

I said what I did willingly and I meant it, and I'm willing to "do my time", as it were. It wasn't an outburst I later regretted, though I do understand why you in particular would think so. Anyway, I was prepared for a permanent ban —A single week is lenient! I'd have happily complied to a permanent ban if that was the decision of the rational administrators, and I'm even happier to return since that wasn't their decision (The "Production" section of the "Season 6" page —the main thing that should concern us, aside from fully updating Season 5 stuff, considering that the production of Season 6 is what's actually happening right now— is already out-of-date, by the way. I'd say most would agree that's probably more pressing than, say, an article on rape.) My case is that your many outbursts (for which you only had to apologize with no other repercussions) and your generally abrasive behavior are more than enough of a reason to revoke your administrator status and maybe even ban you, so what makes you think I'm gonna apply different standards to myself? You should probably think on that and apply it to yourself. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 10:23, August 26, 2015 (UTC)

...I never curse at people. That's a standard that we both live under. You were temp-banned specifically for saying "fuck" and "shit" to an Admin, not for disagreeing with an Admin.

Look, did you pause to think that if you didn't keep demanding my removal, I wouldn't be upset with you? Or warning that such harassing behavior might lead to a permanent ban? Gonzalo84 already said that yes we will compare the TV series to the novel and have thematic pages, so you're not going to win on that point, but otherwise, I'm not going to threaten to ban you for disagreeing with me (again, Draevan13 just started listing off specific points he wanted to "tweak"). e

We can still have a functional work relationship on here. If you'll calm down work can continue as normal -- re-opening old wounds isn't productive.

At any rate Gonzalo84 told me via e-mail that while he didn't think I'd done anything particularly wrong, arguing wasn't helpful and I should calm down with things, so I will. Another problem is that for such particularly sensitive writing decisions I was hoping the other two bureaucrats would get a chance to look them over to check what I did, but they're both kind of busy with real life at the moment. So I guess this will remain provisional for a while.

At any rate this is officially me holding out an olive branch: please stop behaving abrasively towards me and I won't towards you, let's calm down, this bickering by us both isn't getting work done.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 14:46, August 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * Fellas fellas fellas.. -shaking her head- I leave for a few weeks and sh*t hits the proverbial fan. lol I can't understand why matters can't be brought up before things get so heated. I was unable to have my input during this matter,and I am pleased to see some kind of solution has been reached. Please remember, we are all adults and need to respect each other... as hard as that may seem. We are a team here, with one common goal.. to make this Wiki amazing and to have fun while doing it. Next time there is a problem this severe, please contact me or another admin (Not TDD if you don't feel comfortable in doing so) and we will figure something out. I know you said the admins don't care ArticX.. but we really do.. I really do. :)  23:39, August 30, 2015 (UTC)

House affiliation
Hey, just blind curiosity due to the work others were doing on infoboxes today - if you had to pick, what's your House allegiance?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:03, September 20, 2015 (UTC)

Not to barge in, but I was browsing his profile like 5 minutes ago as well and the thought crossed my mind too. - InGen Nate Kenny (talk) 22:04, September 20, 2015 (UTC)

I don't know if I understand the question. After all, Westerosi Houses are not like Hogwarts Houses; it's not like they reflect a personality. If you mean what faction I support during the show's conflict for the Iron Throne, that would probably be Daenerys Targaryen, in large part due to her general good nature and —relatively— progressive ideals (despite the 'Mad Queen' potential), and for her group of advisers, which are the most narratively diverse and interesting council I can think of; Tyrion, Varys, Jorah, Daario, Missandei, Grey Worm. At the same time, I'm a big fan of many individual members of House Stark, and I may identify with them the most; yet they aren't exactly much of a House or faction anymore, are they? And it's not like Robb was an Iron Throne contender anyway. Still, if my interpretation of the filming reports and my own speculation turn out to be correct and a reborn Jon leads an army of Wildlings and Northmen against the Boltons, in the name of Sansa and Rickon Stark, don't doubt that I will be cheering the Starks on.—ArticXiongmao (talk) 22:16, September 20, 2015 (UTC)

...we're asking in the Hogwarts Houses sense.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:55, September 20, 2015 (UTC)

It all depends on a House's Lord, usually, right? But if we're going for stereotypes (Lannisters are sly bastards; Starks are honorable fools, etc), and if we're going for the Houses which have a generally defined stereotype, the Great Houses... I'm not rigid enough in my morality to be a Stark; I'm not driven enough to be a Targaryen; I'm not enough of an absolute arsehole to be a Greyjoy... It'd probably be between a Lannister, a Tyrell and a Martell. I honestly have no idea. Can't I go off and be a maester or a rich merchant or something? Let's say Tyrell. I like how they roll, I love their current secret de facto matriarchy, and I like the climate in the Reach. I'd say Martell but I hate heat.—ArticXiongmao (talk) 23:06, September 20, 2015 (UTC)