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GaiaTanner wrote: People can be silly sometimes

1/ Jon doesn't have more claim than Dany on the Iron throne

- Even though it's clear for us that Jon's Rhaegar's son, it's not clear for the Westerosi. Only Bran and Howland Reed know that, but who will buy their story?

- Besides there is no proofs that Rhaegar and Lyanna were married, no wittnesses, nothing. At the moment Jon is still a bastard, just Lyanna's bastard instead of Ned's. So my question is :how can he have a stronger claim to the Iron throne than Dany?

- Why will he take the Iron throne while the WW are coming?

2/ He won't change his name and people calling Jon/Jaherys/Aegon/Aemon Targeryen or whatever are fools

- he doesn't know who is his real father

- he doesn't know anything about the Targeryens or their culture as he was raised in the North

- Being a northener is part of his identity, and  people don't change their identity easily, they don't pick surnames of people they never meet. After 21 years of being called Jon Snow  he won't say " fuck I'm Jaherys Targeryen now"  lmao

- Being hailed King in the North and  holding a Targeryen name is well...super odd

3/ Regarding the line of succesion/Lordship

- Jon's identification as Ned's son played an important role in his coronation. My point is the Lords of the North didn't hail Jon king out of nowhere. Their choice wasn't only based on his military skills but also  on his parentage. As someone said it the Starks rule the North for thousands years, long before the Targeryens or any other family in Westeros: they are a legend. Jon's bastard status was obviously irrelevant but still they elected Ned's Stark last living "son" and the brother of their late King, not a random person, but the last and direct Stark male heir ( by assuming Bran was dead). I don't think the Manderlys, the Glovers, the Mormonts and the knights of the Vale would even consider Jon as an option if they knew he was in fact Rhaegar's son, while Sansa was there ( Btw i'm curious to see their reaction if they know that, it would be very awkward)

- As Jon doesn't legally hold the name Stark he can't be lord of Winterfell, which means Sansa is the lord in the absence of Bran. Regarding the lord of House Stark it's however more complicated. Jon is obviously a member of house Stark and being King ( a title above the lord)  and the eldest of the family, I assume Jon can be seen as the lord/chief of house Stark. Unless he creates his own house in the same way the Baratheons did ( House Baratheon of King's landing/ Storm's end/ Dragonstone) and moves his seat but it's highly doubful because Winterfell is the most important and protected place in the North.

- It's all D &D's fault : in the book Robb legitimizes Jon, and makes him his heir which means he inherits all his titles ( Lord of Winterfell, King in the North, King of the Trident...), so it's rather simple if Jon becomes King. D&D gave up Robb's letter and made the situation very confusing. I hope they will bring some clarifications about the line of succesion on the next season

Ps: To people who believe Jaherys Trageryen (lol)  will marry Dany, ride dragons/unicorns, defeat the WW, and rule the seven kingdoms peacefully with Tyrion as hand of the queen, I have a question for you: are confusing GoT with some kind of Disney fiction?

 I agree, I was coming from another perspective; he wasn't named Stark AND King in the North; he was named Jon Snow, the White Wolf (coat of arms for Stark bastards and Jon according to awoiaf), the King in the North.

Also Robb Stark was named King of the Trident, yet his Uncle was still Lord of Riverrun and House Tully by rights and name, while Robb reigned from his castle as his king. So Jon can be King in the North and rule from Winterfell without actually being the legal head of House Stark and Winterfell. Bran is also coming back so this is going to be very interesting, since fans wont debate his claim since he's a boy, unlike Sansa.

In the book we're not sure who's going to be left standing to hold Winterfell and how. Stannis is currently alive, Jon is dead, and I can see Sansa (if she actually marry House Arryn) take Winterfell all by her own. But! There will be another discussion of who gets Winterfell depending on the outcome of Stannis's battle and Jon's course of action.

Legally there's still no place for legitimized bastards over trueborn heirs, meaning Jon Stark may still not have a stronger claim. Robb also legitimized Jon when Sansa was captured and powerless. Martin made it clear that Sansa is actively involved in a plot to take her claim, we don't know if she or the house of Stark/Arryn will simply ignore her claim. In the book universe they wouldn't, Women ruling their own Houses is much more common and respected in the books (especially if they're capable of giving birth to heirs), in the show the D&D purposely erased this.