Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-4708902-20160726013945/@comment-3035448-20160901003908

Fenrir51 wrote: Shaneymike wrote:

Fenrir51 wrote: Maybe the reason why it's so hard for me to understand about it has to do with the fact that the Northerners WANTED independence from the start, because the people controlling the Iron Throne cared so little about the North, and that the recruitment for the Wall has been neglected for so long. All the more reason why the Northerners might actually support Jon's claim to the Iron Throne as he actually grew up in the North and served in the Night's Watch.

I...I don't know how many ways I can explain this. I just don't!

They want independence from thr south, right?! They don't want to be ruled from the south. They want to have more autonomy over their own affairs. If Jon Snow pursued his claim to the Iron Throne, then they might as well have lost their king. They're back to being a province of the Seven Kingdoms. They want their King IN the North. That's his title: King in the North! Not King in the South, not King who's-really-a-Targaryen, King under-false-pretences etc.

And why would you think it was a great idea to bring up the fact that he served in the Night's Watch to justify his being king? The Night's Watch, whose specific oaths involve the words "fathering no sons....win NO CROWNS...and DYING at my post"? So technically, Jon is a deserter. Twice a deserter, if you count his moonlight ride from Castle Black in an attempt to join his brother Robb, before Samwell, Pyp and Grenn talked him down. Three times, even, if you count the time he pretended to join the Free Folk. Well, we can discount that last one. But really, just imagine how that's going to look to an objective outsider who would review his career up until that point!
 * sigh* This is going to be my last response. Right now, the Northerners should be focusing on the Night King and his army of dead, not who rules them. If the Northerners are really so narrow-minded that they will flat out any and all help from the South in defeating the Night King, even if that means giving up their independence, then they are a sorry lot indeed. I still think you're being presumptuous in saying the North will abandon Jon, or vice versa, if his true parentage is revealed but I know there's no use trying to convince you otherwise. You go on telling yourself that we're all stupid except you. I don't give a shit.