Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-63.143.227.103-20160430195632

First of all, JS may be dead, but he is not gone. He warged into Olly.

Look at the scene where Olly stabs him. He says "Olly", but note the inflection. It is not a question, as in "Et tu, Olly?" It is a command, as in "Olly, do it!" The inflection is distinctly downward in the English version, which is a command, not a question or simply an observation. Olly looks terribly conflicted about this, and of course he is, Jon is his best friend, mentor, and protector, the only family and father figure he has left. He doesn't want to do it. At this point, Jon may already have taken over, and is just putting on a show for Thorne, to get Olly on his good side.

As far as Olly being complicit in JS's setup, he's just a little kid. Thorne could easily have tricked him into it. He really doesn't look happy about any of this. He is probably completely on Jon's side at this point, and even understands about the Wildlings and the Walkers, although he may not like it.

Now go to season 6, the scene where Thorne is giving his speech. Take a close look at Olly now. He doesn't look like a little kid at all. Eagle eyes, checking the crowd for allies and enemies. That's Jon in there, and with Mel around, he probably even has some sort of plan to get back to himself. I'm sure he has no intention of permanantly suppressing Olly's mind to steal his body - Jon's a good guy.

Look at the allies Jon has: Mel, Davos, his loyal friends in the NW, Tormund, and a horde of Wildlings that could wipe out Castle Black without breaking a sweat. Davos is smart, so is Edd. As Jon is almost certainly part Targarian, if they burn his body, it will likely come out like new, especially with a little help from Mel. And when he wargs back into it, he will be 100%, not like Beric. Every time Beric dies, his mind goes ... who knows where? And it doesn't come all back. Jon's mind is perfectly intact inside Olly.

When it turns out that Jon is unkillable, and backed by a horde of Wildlings, the KW will instantly switch sides. I wouldn't want to be Thorne and company then. Jon will be off the hook with his KW vows, so who will be new Lord Commander? Olly will probably have learned a lot from sharing a skull with Jon, and will likely be his best ally, but he's still just a kid. Edd wouldn't want the job. That leaves Davos. Think about it - his Baratheon patrons are all dead, there is no place in Westeros that he can go that they won't take off his head, and there is no reason left for him to want to go anywhere anyway. He would make a formidable LC, and take Olly as his squire.

At this point, Jon may have a magical revelation about his Targarian-ness. That makes him Sansa's cousin, not half brother. Davos will get a bright idea. Himself, as a bastard Starkgarian, Jon has only a poor claim to the North. Sansa has a strong claim, but by herself it will only get her killed - no one will support her. If they marry, they have not only an iron-clad claim, but the means to make it happen, as Jon should have no trouble rallying the old Stark banners against the hated Boltons. Especially since he is apparently unkillable. Marrying a cousin is hardly out of the ordinary, and after what Sansa's been through, she would welcome a decent husband.

With the Lannisters and most other houses depleted by years of war, Jon could go south and very likely end up king. Who would stop him? Cersei is a disaster as a leader, and Jaimie is not much better. Would Danaerys make war on her nephew? Especially if he is a good man, and those are few and far between in GRRM's world. Her three little dragons are nowhere near what it would take to subdue Westeros and hold Essos. She can content herself being queen of Essos, and maybe tame the Dothraki.

Overall, I think the storytelling on the show is better than the books, except for the mess they made out of Dorne. Instead of the quiet intrigues of Doran, we get the cartoonish Sand Snakes. That's a shame. 