Forum:The Cargo Cult

Introduction
A "[[Wikipedia:Cargo cult|cargo cult" is when a phenomenon in which indigenous peoples who had been visited by missionaries or ships from modern society would build mock airplanes out of branches and leaves, in the hopes of attracting the visitors back. This was done with almost religious veneration, but it was largely because they wanted material benefits - visitors would gift them gifts such as canned food, etc.  Similarly, any who have read Arthur C. Clarke's 2010: Odyssey Two will note that the primitive indigenous Europans started building piles of junk metal from crashed probes, speculated to be a form of cargo cult practice.

Around late Season 2, writer and "loremaster" on the TV series Bryan Cogman shut down his Twitter account. As Cogman explained, he was just getting inundated with questions about Game of Thrones, or simple harassment from internet trolls complaining about minor changes.

Two basic principles are in effect. First, there is no way that the writers could ever hope to field fan questions from an unfiltered source such as Twitter, without running into internet trolls and harassers. Something cast and crew in TV and film often have trouble recognizing is that this is an utterly small fraction of the fanbase: if you get 10,000 pieces of hate-mail, that doesn't mean 10,000 people don't like you, that means one obsessed idiot wrote 10,000 hate-mails. This is utterly disproportionate to their number and ruining it for the rest of us.

Second, even if everyone were well-intentioned...this is a TV show viewed by tens of thousands of people. Odds are...the overwhelming number of questions directed at cast & crew are generic, overlapping, and simply shallow questions: endless questioning of "do you enjoy working on the show?" (of course they do!).

In contrast, a wiki provides the opportunity to 1 - weed out and prevent harassment by providing a safe environment for questions, and 2 - Administrators can act as a filter to only put forward significant questions relating to "lore".

That being said, questions should focus more on clarification of solid facts, not opinions. Thus "is Theon supposed to be bad" is an utterly subjective question which has no realistic hope of a solid answer. In contrast, "is the Grand Maester considered the head of the Order of Maesters, or is the Conclave of Archmaesters the leader?" is an objective question with a potential fact-based answer.

Unfortunately, we have no means of contacting the writing staff at present. And remember: guys, the writing staff does more to "create" Game of Thrones and know more about it than the actors do. Some of the actors research their own characters very well, but fundamentally, the words they speak and actions they perform are penned by the writers.

At any rate, the thought occurred that, much like a "cargo cult", a good way to attract writers to answer our questions is to make an actual list of questions. Good, fact-based questions, on a "if you build it, they will come" principle. The best way to let the writers know we have fact-based questions about changes in adaptation is to have an actual list of legitimate questions....as opposed to begging them to do Q&A; they'd shrug us off as "more fans who want to ask why Tyrion is so funny".

The idea is that the Admins will filter questions that go onto this list.

=Questions about “lore” resulting from changes in adaptation, and their repercussions for the “TV-continuity”=

Aging up the characters
We’ve been trying to make an accurate Timeline for the TV continuity, taking into account the added two years between Robert’s Rebellion and the death of Jon Arryn (so that Robert’s Rebellion was 17 years ago, not 15 years as in the books). In which case, when exactly did those extra two years happen? Because certain events which happened during Robert’s reign get moved around a bit. The Greyjoy Rebellion was nine years before the beginning in the books, and I believe that’s the same in the TV series. In which case, do we insert those extras two years earlier in Robert’s reign? And there are other little things such as changing the amount of time the Targaryens lived with Illyrio Mopatis from six months to over a year.

Many questions resulting from aging up the characters: in the first episode, Sansa states that she is 13 and Bran that he is 10, which is aged up two years from the TV show. Just as HBO made an official on-set pronunciation guide for Season 1, do you have a chart of what all of the character ages are?

Also, has the legal age of adulthood in the Seven Kingdoms been changed for the TV series? In the books, it was 16 years old, and Samwell Tarly’s father disinherited him on his 15th nameday, as he was approaching the age of adulthood. However, in “Cripples, Bastards and Broken Things”, this was changed so that Sam now says his father disinherited him on his 18th nameday; so was the age of adulthood moved up to 18 in the TV-continuity, to match the age of the actors?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:39, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Margaery Tyrell and family
Unrelated to this aging-up is that Natalie Dormer was cast as Margaery Tyrell on the strength of her audition, despite the fact that she’s slightly older than book-Margaery (a decision I fully support, as I jumped out of my socks at hearing that Anne Boleyn would play Margaery Tyrell). In the books, Robb and Margaery are the same age, but in the TV series, Natalie is four years older than actor Richard Madden. Is Margaery also officially four years older in the TV series? (if there is indeed a timeline and chart of character ages, specifically how old is Margaery?) The point is, Dormer is also four years older than Finn Jones (Loras Tyrell); while in the books, Margaery was actually a year younger than Loras, and the fourth youngest out of the four Tyrell siblings after her three brothers. So in the TV-continuity, is the age difference just taken with a wink and a grin, or is Margaery now officially older than Loras, making her the third Tyrell sibling and Loras the fourth? If so, would this even change much, given that they’re fairly close in age and it’s a patriarchal society in which Loras is in line of succession ahead of Margaery anyway? (Loras would still keep his three-roses personal sigil as he’s still a third son). If you think about it, shifting who is the older and who is the younger sibling might affect the character dynamic in how Dormer and Jones play their roles.

There’s been some fan chatter that Willas and Garlan Tyrell might be cut from the TV continuity to streamline it; I don’t really think this is necessary, as they’re really “mentioned-only” characters in the books anyway – you just need them to mention Willas, not cast another character to clutter things. Some have gone so far as to speculate that Loras would be the *only* Tyrell son, which would complicate things considerably. Can anyone go on record to debunk this?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:39, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Robb Stark and repercussions from not splitting up his army for Whispering Wood
Changes were made to the disposition of Robb Stark’s army in the War of the Five Kings, removing the story of his eastern army-group in Seasons 1 and 2. These have major repercussions.

In the books, the Northern forces are divided into two army-groups, one in the west commanded by Robb Stark (about 5,000 cavalry), and one in the east commanded by Roose Bolton (with about 16,000 infantry). So Bolton had three times as many “men” but Robb’s force was entirely cavalry while Bolton’s was infantry, so let’s call it even and say that Robb and Roose each roughly commanded “half” of the Northern army. The Battle of Green Fork was indeed, a faint, but instead of sending a force of only 2,000 men which was annihilated (as in the TV version), Bolton’s command consisted of 16,000 men. While Bolton certainly lost men, the whole point of the battle was just to distract Tywin’s army-group, and when the battle appeared lost Bolton withdrew in good order. This allowed Robb Stark’s half of the army, numbering about 5,000 cavalry, to attack Jaime Lannister’s army-group besieging Riverrun. The Northern forces were of course bolstered by four thousand Frey levies on their way south (16 minus 4 equals 12 thousand specifically Northern infantry), which is something like 10% of the forces of the Riverlands.

After Robb is declared king, the forces of House Tully and the Riverlords join him (out of gratitude and because he’s Hoster Tully’s grandson). This may have added another 30-40,000 men to Robb’s faction, albeit most of the Riverlands armies stay in the Riverlands to fight Tywin’s army-group. Meanwhile, Robb takes his cavalry to invade the Westerlands, resulting in Oxcross. With Tywin retreating south, Bolton’s half of the Northern army advances south, ultimately capturing Harrenhal.

Anyway, the TV series simplified Bolton’s army-group to just 2,000 men sent to Green Fork as a feint and completely exterminated (narratively, this might have gotten too cluttered at the end of Season 1). Indeed, at the beginning of Season 2, we see that Bolton is actually still with Robb, and remains with him all season. The problem, of course, is that this change means that instead of dividing the Northern forces roughly in half, so Robb had 5,000 cavalry at Whispering Wood, he now has the bulk of the army at 18,000 (+4,000 Freys), and only lost a screener force of two thousand at Greek Fork.

Jaime Lannister’s army-group in the books was 15,000 strong (of which 3,000 were cavalry); thus the drama at Whispering Wood is that Robb was outnumbered “three-to-one” but through brilliant tactics was able to take Jaime’s army-group by surprise an annihilate it.

Instead of dividing Robb’s army in half (roughly), now the bulk of the army is with Robb at Whispering Wood, (roughly) doubling his forces. Now, in the TV version, Tywin explicitly tells Jaime that the standing Lannister armies in the Riverlands number 60,000, and he orders Jaime to talk “half” – 30,000 – to besiege Riverrun. My functional guess is that to maintain the drama of “Robb is outnumbered two or three to one” at Whispering Wood, the TV version doubled the size of the Lannister army from 15,000 to 30,000, to make it seem like more of a threat to Robb’s 18-22,000 strong army. All of this resulted from removing the eastern army group under Roose Bolton’s command, to simplify the story in late Season 1.

The problem is….the Westerlands cannot possibly sustain an army that large. An average-sized “kingdom” in Westeros can field 30-40,000 men – such as the Vale or Westerlands. The North has a smaller population (also it’s more spread out and more difficult to rally armies in a hurry when they call the bannermen), so it’s army is around 20,000 men. Dorne is in the 10,000 range, and the Iron Islands are also lightly populated. The Reach, in contrast, is stated to be able to raise almost twice as many soldiers as any other kingdom, due to its fertile lands and large population: in the area of 60,000 men.

When the standing army of the Westerlands was doubled to 60,000 in the TV series, this wasn’t proportionately increased for the other kingdoms relative to the Westerlands. When the Tyrells joined the Lannisters in the books, it effectively tripled the size of the armies at their disposal (more like increased by a factor of 4 to 5, when you consider the smaller size of the Lannister army after the severe losses it took from Robb Stark). The TV series changed this so the Westerlands can now, apparently, raise an army as large as that of the Reach, lessening the impact of House Tyrell siding with the Lannisters.

How can we possibly hope to reconcile this numerical discrepancy? If you change one thing, you change everything.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:39, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Cutting King Jaehaerys II Targaryen?
In the TV series, In Season 1 episode 9, "Baelor", Maester Aemon states that "My father was Maekar, the First of his Name. My brother Aegon reigned after him, when I had refused the throne, and he was followed by his son Aerys, whom they called the Mad King." -- Thus it seems that the TV-continuity has omitted Jaehaerys II (who was sickly and ruled only a few short years, but ruled well in those years)...apparently to simplify the relationship between Aemon, Aerys II, and Daenery. Has Jaehaerys II been officially removed? How was the decision made to remove him? What about the wider ramifications of this? Particularly for the Tales Dunk and Egg prequels (now being discussed as an HBO project!), Jaehaerys was Egg’s son (Egg being Aegon V), and removing him would make Egg the father of the Mad King. And Aerys was insane due to his incestuous parentage, while Aegon V apparently married for love outside of the family (though of course, it was compound generations of 300 years of inbreeding).

Moreover, this affects how the TV-continuity will establish the relationship between the Targaryens and Baratheons. In the books, Jaehaerys' sister Rhaelle was the mother of Steffon Baratheon, father of the three Baratheon brothers (Robert, Stannis, Renly). Robert's claim to the throne (and by extension, Stannis and Renly's) was based on this "bit of dragon-blood". Is this now moved around so that Rhaelle is a sister of Aegon V? (in place of Rhae and Daella? Or perhaps alongside them?)....OR, can the TV series later retcon this and just say that Aegon meant to say "grandson" and as a 100 year old man angrily recounting the fall of his House, it was just a slip of the tongue?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:39, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Westeros and the Age of a Hundred Kingdoms
The HBO Viewer’s Guide, and to an extent the Complete Guide, imply that there always were “Seven Kingdoms” in Westeros. In the books, it’s explained that their used to be hundreds of tiny kingdoms in Westeros, in which every local lord called himself a king; this is why the Andals were able to successfully conquer the disunited First Men. Then again we do have legends of characters like Bran the Builder being “King in the North” in the books…even though the books later say that the Boltons were their own separate kingdom who didn’t swear fealty to the Starks until only a thousand years ago. Martin calls this era of Westerosi history, between the Andal Invasion and the Targaryen Conquest, “the Age of a Hundred Kingdoms” (from excerpts of World of Ice and Fire that we’ve seen…maybe the era began at the end of the War for the Dawn). At any rate, even in the books, characters might loosely refer to the Starks as “King in the North” long before the North was united under one king (I suspect they were loose over-kings of a confederation of minor kings, sort of like how Irish over-kings would unite the numerous tiny kingdoms in Ireland to respond to the threat of Viking attacks). But the ancillary materials for the TV series such as the HBO Viewer’s Guide or Complete Guide simply state that “the Andals founded Seven Kingdoms in Westeros” – when in the books, the “seven kingdoms” aggregated over many thousands of years. Is this *officially* different in the TV series continuity? That there always were Seven Kingdoms, even six thousand years ago in the immediate aftermath of the Andal Invasion? Because in the books, a unified “Kingdom of the Reach” did exist, but it may have predated the Targaryen Conquest by only a few centuries. We’ve been debating this quite a bit.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:39, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Cersei and Robert's stillborn child, and namedays
In Season 1, Cersei Lannister says her firstborn child was stillborn, a black-haired son who was her only biological child with Robert Baratheon. Cersei had no child with Robert in the books, not even a stillbirth, and indeed she says she once had an abortion rather than have Robert’s child. At first, we thought she was just lying to Catelyn, but later in Season 1 she speaks about “when we lost our first boy” to Robert, which indicates that this actually happened. How and why was this change made? Further, even when speaking with Robert she doesn't mention the child's name: people in the Seven Kingdoms don’t have “birthdays”, they have “namedays” – functionally equivalent to birthdays because babies are named on the day they are born (the only exception in Westeros to this are the wildlings, who due to high infant mortality north of the Wall, don’t name their babies until they reach two years of age). This being the case, did Cersei and Robert’s stillborn baby never receive an official name, because stillborn babies as a rule do not receive a name at all, because they do not survive long enough for the naming ceremony/baptism a few hours later?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:39, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Jaime Lannister and dyslexia
In Season 2 it was mentioned that Jaime Lannister has a dyslexia-like condition. This hasn’t been mentioned in the books yet; is it something George R.R. Martin mentioned to the writers which was going to be mentioned in a future book? Or, was it created by the writers, who then got approval from Martin? (in which case, this doesn’t reflect the books).--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:39, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Lordsport and "Red Harbor"
In Season 2, Yara teases Theon at Pyke that he was only given one ship, docked in Lordsport, by saying that she’s commanding so many ships that they couldn’t fit there and had to dock at the larger port of “Red Harbor” – Lordsport is the largest port on Pyke in the books, and there’s never been mention of a “Red Harbor” – so is there now officially a new primary port for Pyke island, or was Yara just teasing him?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:39, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Rakharo and Kovarro
How were Rakharo and Kovarro developed for the TV show? They do seem based on Jhago and Rakharo from the books, but their roles were reversed (book-Rakharo is older and good with a sword, Jhago with a whip). We assumed that Jhago was simply renamed “Kovarro” because it sounded to similar to Khal Jhaqo, one of Drogo’s kos who splits off and forms his own khalsar, becoming a major enemy to Daenerys.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:39, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Barristan and the Small Council
Why wasn’t Barristan Selmy shown as a member of the Small Council in the TV series? The Lord Commander of the Kingsguard has a seat on the council in the books. Was this simply due to constraints of time and budget in bringing the actor there (or because it would have complicated the drama of Ned and Robert’s council scenes)? Is the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard still an official member of the Small Council in the books? (and thus it can be said that “Selmy sat on Robert’s Small Council?")--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:39, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Tarly at Summerhall
When Robert is discussing the Battle of Summerhall with Barristan Selmy, he says that his first kill was a boy from House Tarly in the battle. Some have interpreted this as that there were “elements of House Tarly” in the battle, even though Tarly and other Reach houses only arrived for the later Battle of Ashford; in which case, this could have just been one random Tarly member who happened to be in the area at the time, not a “force” of House Tarly?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:39, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Lord Redwyne
We’ve been debating this: when Varys and Littlefinger are sparing, Varys makes an off-hand comment about “Lord Redwyne prefers his boys especially young” – was this referring to Lord Paxter Redwyne, head of House Redwyne, or just some minor cousin? (seeing as Paxter doesn’t live in King’s Landing to even use Littlefinger’s brothels). There’s been no indication in the books that Paxter is a homosexual or a pedophile. --The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:39, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Updated Pronuciation Guide?
Is there an on-set official pronunciation guide for later seasons, as there was for Season 1? We’re really interested in seeing those, they help immensely.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:39, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Old Nan
Just to confirm this: due to the death of the actress before Season 1 even premiered (but after all of her scenes were finished), it has been functionally implied that Old Nan just died “off screen” in the break between Seasons 1 and 2, due to old age? It hasn’t been acknowledged in dialogue so far.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:39, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Lorath and Shae
It’s been explained that Shae was changed in Season 1 to be “from the Free Cities” to explain the actress’ accent. But in Season 2, Shae was stated to be from Lorath. Why was specifically Lorath selected? Great line in the Complete Guide with Jorah not being able to remember anything noteworthy about Lorath: has Martin mentioned anything? If Lorath is so boring, why was it decided upon as Shae’s origin?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:39, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Elmarr vs Waldron Frey
In the books, Arya was proxy-arranged to marry Elmarr Frey as part of the deal to get House Frey’s support, but in the TV series, the name was changed to “Waldron Frey” – why was this?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:39, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Sansa and Septa Mordane
Why the heck is Sansa acting so out of character and bitter towards Septa Mordane in “A Golden Crown”? This wasn’t in the books. The functional assumption was that just as Sansa is copying Cersei’s hairstyle, she’s impressionable and imitating how Cersei is mean to her servants.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:39, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Asha Greyjoy
At what point was it realized that “Asha Greyjoy” sounds like “Osha the wildling”? Asha Greyjoy is a far more important character, even a POV narrator in later books. Surely, shouldn’t the secondary wildling character have been renamed instead?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:39, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Cleos Frey
Why was the decision made to make “Cleos Frey” into “Alton Lannister”? We assumed it was because you didn’t want to confuse the TV-first audience about whose side he was on, by explaining that while House Frey officially declared for Robb when the war broke out, that a few Frey relatives sided with the Lannisters? (as Cleos’ mother is actually Tywin’s sister, making him half-Lannister too). Is this also why Jeyne Westerling was changed to Talisa Maegyr?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:39, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

=General questions about the narrative’s “lore”, unchanged from the books=

Grand Maester
Is the Grand Maester the “head” of the Order of Maesters? Or is the Conclave of Archmaesters the governing body, with no one leader? In which case, is the Grand Maester “just” the Maester assigned to the Red Keep and the king? But the Order of Maesters has been around for thousands of years, in which case, was there even a Grand Maester before the Targaryen Conquest? Our functional assumption was that the Grand Maester was the *nominal* head of the Order, but in practice, by his very nature he’s located in a separate city from Oldtown, so the actual power is with the conclave?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:39, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Surnames
Why is it that some of the smallfolk have surnames? Don’t only noble Houses have surnames (their House name)? Why does innkeeper Masha Heddle have a surname? While we’re on the subject, why does Brienne of Tarth style herself “of Tarth” instead of “Brienne Tarth”?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:39, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Greyjoys in the War of the Usurper
Did the Iron Islands fight in any capacity in Robert’s Rebellion? Or was House Greyjoy neutral, biding its time and waiting for the opportunity to launch the Greyjoy Rebellion?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:39, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Lord of Light religion
What is the origin and center of the Lord of Light religion? Does it come from Asshai? People within the world must have some general idea of where it began (it's not native to the Free Cities is it?)

Also, Stannis and Selyse are devout followers of the Lord of Light religion. Did Shireen convert as well? What is her relationship with the Lord of Light religion? Did she grow up with it? Or are her parents forcibly making her stop all of the Faith of the Seven worship she used to believe in to switch to the Lord of Light religion?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:39, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

The Old Gods south of the Neck
Exactly how many families south of the Neck still follow the Old Gods? Are the Blackwoods the only “major” House? I assume on a personal level there might be Old Gods worshipers anywhere, but focusing on major Houses. By which I mean, on the level of the Umbers, Dustins, and Florents; the major dozen or so nobles in each kingdom which are just below Great House (Stark, Lannister) but above “landed knights”. Are the Blackwoods the only major house? Are there holdout First Men in corners of the Red Mountains of Dorne that might still practice it? Are there any worshipers in the Iron Islands? I doubt that, as even the Faith of the Seven is a minority religion there.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:39, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Renly Baratheon and Cadet Branches
Did Renly even bother forming a cadet branch of House Baratheon, or what? I would assume that claiming inheritance ahead of Stannis, breaking all the rules, he didn’t try to formally create a cadet branch.

When a cadet branch of a noble House is formed, does it keep the motto of the original? Particularly, does Stannis continue to use “Ours is the Fury”? He changed his sigil. However, later books show that he’s using the generic gold and black Baratheon banners as well. Is this a case of using his own “personal” sigil, instead of inventing a new one? Does Stannis think he’s inventing a new House the way the Karstarks separated from the Starks? Because at the same time, he says he’s the only remaining Baratheon (after Renly died).--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:39, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Surviving Baratheon cousins
It is difficult to completely eradicate a major ruling family that’s been around for hundreds of years. Do the Baratheons have any cousins which might take up the claim if Stannis and Shireen die? It does not appear that Steffon (Robert’s father) had any distant relations).--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:39, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Are the Greyjoys "Lords Paramount"?
Is the head of House Greyjoy a “Lord Paramount” like other Great Houses in the realm? They style themselves “Lord Reaper of Pyke” (and other grandiose titles). Dorne is officially slightly different from the other kingdoms in that they’re not “Lords Paramount” but retain the title of Prince, which has some minor differences such as equal primogeniture. A king can dismiss a Lord Paramount at will, but can they dismiss a Prince of Dorne? (also, back when they were independent, was it called the “Principality of Dorne” or “Princedom of Dorne”?) The Greyjoys never call themselves “Lord Paramount” but then again the books only really show Balon after he declared himself king again. So is Dorne truly unique in its ruling title, or are the Greyjoys also unique? Or are the Greyjoys also Lords Paramount? Or, as I suspect, is it that the Greyjoys insisted on a bunch of grandiose titles (Lord Reaper, Lord of the Salt Seas, etc.) but these are only nominal and meaningless differences, and they are in fact functionally equivalent to Lords Paramount?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:39, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Views of religious besides the Seven towards homosexuality
What are the specific views of each major religion towards homosexuality? The Faith of the Seven considers it a sin (or seems to; is that official?). But the Old Gods of the Forest don’t have many “rules” as such. Would a Northerner like Eddard Stark particularly mind if he knew Renly was gay? Due to their lack of strict rules under the Old Gods, are people openly gay in the North as they are in Dorne? Because Hother “Whoresbane” Umber, an elderly and fierce warrior of House Umber, is rumored to be a homosexual (the whore he killed in Oldtown is said to have been a male prostitute) – but only whispered outside of his presence, which would seem to imply that there is some sort of stigma against that.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:39, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Why did King Robert pardon Varys?
Officially, why would Robert pardon a man as dangerous as Varys, much less keep the old Targaryen spymaster on as his new one? Pycelle, at least, was a Lannister agent and helped them take the capital. But we know Varys is a secret Targaryen loyalist (even the TV series shows this); was it just because Varys was incredibly good at his job? Or did he use blackmail or something?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:39, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Master of Laws and the City Watch
In both the books and TV series, at the Small Council Renly threatens Janos Slynt that he will be fired if he can’t do his job and maintain order in the city. Does this mean that the Commander of the Gold Cloaks is directly answerable to the Master of Laws? That is, the Master of Laws controls the Gold Cloaks (in his “branch of government”); or was Renly just more loosely threatening Janos, i.e. “we, the Small Council and the king, might decide to have you replaced” and this had nothing to do with the fact that Renly himself is Master of Laws?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:39, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Coinage set props
We’ve been interested in the worldbuilding associated with Currency in the TV series: so far dialogue has established the Gold Dragon and Copper Penny, though as yet no Silver Stags or other coins. Do the propmasters actually make minted prop-coins with designs on them? We’ve never been able to see a coin close enough to tell if they do. It would make an interesting “Making Game of Thrones” blog post just to see close-up images of what the designs on prop coins look like.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:39, March 17, 2013 (UTC)