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Tinnic wrote:

GaiaTanner wrote: They didn't elect Jon for his personality lol. Hailing a bastard King is kind of unusual but in this case it's not schocking if you take the northern Lord perspective. They chose in their eyes, the brother of their late King and the last living son of their liege Lord, Ned Stark. That's exactly what Lyanna Mormont said " in his vein flows Ned Stark's blood", she didn't say "Stark blood" but she mentionned Ned Stark, therefore Jon's identification as Ned Stark's son is very important in his crowning. The knights of the Vale, especially Lord Royce, came and hailed Jon king in the remembrance of Ned Stark, because he was raised in the Valeamong them. They wouldn't did it if for the son of a Targeryen. That's why I think the revelation of his true father's identity would be problematic for everybody. And LF would seize the occasion to bring chaos and mess Sansa's head (" See how this dragon usurped your little brother's title, see how another dragon sail south to invade your country, the two dragons will certainly marry to subject the North...").

Jon better keeps his mounth shut if he wants the North to stay united Firstly, what do you mean he wasn't hailed because of his personality? They didn't gather at Winterfell overnight. Plus Castle Black isn't so isolated that communication is impossible. Littlefinger was able to get a message to Sansa, Ramsey could send his threat. So you can bet that every northern lord sent a messenger to Castle Black to get Jon's full history before they even showed up in Winterfell. Once they arrived in Winterfell, they also would have talked with those who had been in the battle and got a measure of things. Jon Snow is not an unknown person in the North. By the time we the viewers caught up to them, they all probably had a measure of Jon's character. Both from his time in Castle Black, and from the battle report. They hailed Jon king because he's an experienced military commander. I will bet you that if Rickon had survived, Rickon would be acknowledged as Lord of Winterfell but NOT hailed as King in the North. Lord Stark of Winterfell, does not have to be King in the North since the Iron Throne still stands. I maintain Jon was hailed because he's Jon!

As for blood, I quote from season 1 "You might not have my name, but you have my blood," Ned Stark to Jon as he was leaving for the wall. You are getting way too hung up on the details. Ned Stark knew Jon wasn't his son but felt that him having Lyanna's blood was enough. Also, he was raised as Ned Stark's son.

Yes, he has Targaryen blood and that might mean we might see him warging into Dragons next season. But he wasn't raised Targaryen. Jon is not Daenerys who had a loyalist treat him like a prince until the death of said loyalist. Jon didn't have a name that opened doors. Even if it was just so he could beg for food. He doesn't think or was encouraged to think he had a blood claim to the Iron Throne. By nurture, he is Ned Stark's son. A son who has proved himself to the North!

The North isn't going to turn on him if they find out that he's half Targaryen. Indeed, that might actually get the North out of a tricky position with Daenerys. If you remember back to Robb's hailing, "It was the dragons we bent the knee too. Why shouldn't we govern ourselves now that they are gone." - That was a catalyst for why the North didn't declare for Stannis but instead opted to go with Robb. Now the north doesn't have to wrestle with any moral dilemma when Daenerys comes.

Lastly, again, crown disputes happen when someone challenges the sovereign right to be sovereign. Sansa might but Bran and Arya won't. If Bran comes back and forfeits all his claim in favour of Jon, who is going to tell him "No! You must fight your brother for your right!" The North will be unstable if Jon turns up with a dragon is overblown, IMO. Especially since the easy, elegant solution to Jon's problem, should he have any, is simply to marry Sansa. At that point, he would be Ned Stark's nephew and his son-in-law! All problems solved! Wish everyone would stop misspelling "Ramsay", maybe we should start misspelling "Jon" as well?

All problems solved? Not even close - Night King is coming for Jon's head (or even better, turn him into a White Walker). Also King cannot rename himself Stark, otherwise everyone in Westeros would name themselves King.

If what you say about Bran is true - then Stark family line is as of now DEAD (huge thanks to Ramsay Bolton for that) soon to be extinct anyway! And since only 1 Stark will survive along with 1 Lannister and 1 Targaryen in the way these series is going... Effectively those 3 will cooperatively restore Westeros to the peace it has been waiting for so long.