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Episodes leaked
Just so you know, the first few episodes have leaked. From the screeners, one assumes. They're all over the torrent sites. So we should probably prepare for a lot of people trying to add photos from it, or information from the episodes, which is based on illegitimate means of acquiring the episodes. Anyway, thought you should know. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 02:22, April 12, 2015 (UTC)

BY THE RAGING FURY OF THE *SKY DEMON*, THIS AFFRONT WILL NOT GO UNANSWERED.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:29, April 12, 2015 (UTC)


 * Dear God in heaven...--Ser Patrek (talk) 08:15, April 12, 2015 (UTC)

Interlanguage Links
Hi there! I'm from the german Game of Thrones Wikia and besides the english GoT Wikia there are many other language GoT Wikias which I like to connect with the interlanguage Links with a Bot from Weas-El called Weas-El-Bot and soon the bot will get a bot-flag which tells user that the bot is active. I just let you know that we are planning to let a bot working here.--Cyanide3 17:46, June 25, 2015 (UTC)

Portable Infoboxes
We’re reaching out to a few of our top communities, hoping to get you on board with the migration to the new infobox markup. And we have tools to help!

Why we’re doing this

Simply put: Most current infobox structure translates very poorly to mobile experiences, and indeed any device that doesn’t use desktop-style displays. On desktops and laptops, they often look amazing. The problem is that Wikia’s traffic is trending mobile.

There is an important graph from our forum post about infoboxes a couple weeks back, and I want to share it here as well:

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/central/images/c/c3/Wikia_mobile_traffic_growth.jpg

Mobile is the future. Not just for Wikia, but for the web as a whole. Take a look at the recent trends and future growth predictions for mobile traffic - it's staggering.

We partnered with the Wikia community to create this new markup to make sure that your hard work can be displayed on mobile devices (as well as any future technologies) easily and without any new coding conventions. It’ll take some effort up front, to be sure, but we’re here to help, and the work you put in now will pay for itself tenfold in the future.

Tools we’ve designed to ease the process

We’ve enabled two new features on your community. One is a tool for migrating the “old” infobox code to the new markup. It identifies templates on your wikia that look like infobox templates and places a box on the right rail of the template page. When you click the “Generate draft markup” button in this box, it opens a new tab containing a draft of your infobox using the new markup.

The second is a new feature on Special:Insights that will highlight which infoboxes on your wikia have not been migrated to the new infobox markup. It’s fairly intuitive - you can click on the infobox title link itself to see the old markup, or simply click the “Convert!” button on the right, which performs the same action as the “Generate draft markup” button.

This is our help page for the new markup. I’ll help get things rolling by converting a template or two as an example if you’d like me to, as well as watching this post for any questions. http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/central/images/f/f1/Pineapple_u86.gif The  P K ( Wall • Guestbook ) http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/central/images/a/ae/Mudkip.png 23:04, July 22, 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi, there. I'm Isaac, your new point of contact for portability. It's been a very very long time since my colleague posted this, and there was no response. There's a very good chance that this is not a good way to get ahold of you and your community, so we can try a reaching out to a broader audience next. I've made some draft versions of some of your most frequently used Infoboxes, and they should be ready to go as soon as you approve the Drafts (Template:Character/Draft · Template:Cast/Draft · Template:Episode/Draft · Template:Settlement/Draft · Template:Noble house/Draft · Template:Crew/Draft · Template:Lore/Draft · Template:Animal/Draft · Template:Region/Draft · Template:Infobox organization/Draft · Template:Culture infobox/Draft). There are very few, if any, perceptible differences between the originals and the new portable versions. We'd like to get your community squared away before the new season starts, and your cooperation will be greatly appreciated. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Thanks! FishTank (wall) 10:04, February 29, 2016 (UTC)

We will need to play around with these. Crunch time of Season 6 lead-up is fast approaching.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:34, March 1, 2016 (UTC)


 * No problem. Let me know what's on your mind, and a go-no go. FishTank (wall) 04:00, March 1, 2016 (UTC)


 * It's been a little over a week, and I'm checking in. We're fairly excited to get this ball rolling. Can we approve a few of these drafts today? We can revert them or fix them if there are any problems (which we don't anticipate). If that goes smoothly, I'd like to be able to approve the remainder next week if you don't have any objections. Thanks! FishTank (wall) 11:10, March 9, 2016 (UTC)

1337wiki.com
Hey The Dragon Demands. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I can answer what I suspect are a few of your questions.

First, it's important to note that everything they're doing is allowed. Game of Thrones Wiki is licensed under Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike 3.0, and that license allows for the reuse of text. There's no limit to that; it could be one page or all pages. There are, however, conditions to make that reuse legitimate: Attribution and ShareAlike. Attribution is pretty straight-forward and means they have to credit the original authors. We provide a recommendation for how to credit authors in our Licensing policy. The other is ShareAlike, meaning that the content has to be reposted by whoever is reposting it under the same or a similar license.

So your first step, if you haven't already, is to take a look at the site and see if it's providing attribution to Game of Thrones Wiki. If it is, then what they're doing is perfectly legitimate, even if it is shady to simply copy content rather than writing your own.

If the content isn't being attributed, then the community&mdash;through someone they appoint, such as an administrator&mdash;can (and should) file a DMCA takedown notice with whoever owns or hosts the site. Filing a DMCA takedown notice isn't hard to do, and you can find a great basic tutorial on it here.

It's important to note that Wikia cannot do this for you, and any involvement we have will be limited at best. We are not lawyers, and therefore not empowered to provide you with any legal advice. Additionally, although we are the content host, we are not the content owners&mdash;the content owners are the community and the individual users who contributed the content. That means we have no legal standing to file a DMCA notice or make a copyright claim over the content.

For even more information on DMCA, take a look at http://chillingeffects.org.

If you have any questions, please let me know and I'll do my best to answer them wherever I'm able. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 02:05, October 3, 2015 (UTC)

Ack. Well I checked and they don't attribute us. I understand that I have to handle this on my end now. I'll try to figure out how to file a DMCA takedown...--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:13, October 3, 2015 (UTC)


 * Hey. Jorge let me know that you responded to him as well. Glad to see that you got a response from the other site. At the very least, their tone suggests they're receptive. You mentioned that you'd be furthering future handling of this to Wikia Staff. Just as a reminder, I'm afraid we can't act on behalf of the community. We're the content hosts, but not the content owners. I would recommend replying to the other website again and reminding them that attribution is also required. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 22:58, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

RE: Interlanguage links
Hi TDD,

I'll ask our Japanese comdev associate about this issue and see if she knows the solution or a quick hack to get it to work. Thanks for bringing it to our attention!

Knakveey (talk) 19:00, November 23, 2015 (UTC)

The final push
The heraldry for the wiki is nearly finished. In order to get it done before Christmas I've called in the cavalry - some people I know from the online art community, who are much more experianced than me in graphic design and possess more advance image editing software. You've probably seen the new main images going up, but if not please cast your eye over them, and leave feedback for the artist(s) if you want anything changed. Cheers.--Ser Patrek (talk) 09:23, November 30, 2015 (UTC)

...Ser, I am humbly in your debt.

Have I mentioned before that I truly cannot draw a straight line? Even on computers, I mean, my artistic skills are nonexistent.

Outstanding work.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:52, December 5, 2015 (UTC)


 * Well you're welcome of course, but I must stress that most of the new shields going up are not my work, they're my friend Olly's. Some of them are remastered versions of mine, but the bulk of them are his own so be sure to pass your compliments on to him as well (credit where credit's due, and all). To be honest, I'm not really a digital artist, and am not entirely convinced that I can draw a straight line either.--Ser Patrek (talk) 11:38, December 6, 2015 (UTC)

Essos
"Need to find a better quote than that..."

Can't see the reason why you would revert that edit, though.

I thought I could find a new quote quicker. Now it might take some time though, I dunno.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:51, December 5, 2015 (UTC)

Oh I see. Well, forget what I said then. 19:10, December 5, 2015 (UTC)

message at awoiaf
Please check your talk page over there.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 22:37, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

Discussions on article page
Hi TDD,

I removed the topic tags on the appropriate discussions page. If there was a tag associated with a topic that had the same name as an article, it would automatically put them there.

Hope you had happy holidays,

Knakveey (talk) 20:49, January 4, 2016 (UTC)

Ack, my fault, need to figure out how flags work more thoroughly; thanks for your time.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:00, January 4, 2016 (UTC)

On my recent inactivity
As you guys may have noticed, I haven't been very active on here for the past month. This was due to multiple family medical problems which happened at the same time: grandmother has terminal cancer, and my elderly cat is having kidney failure (distressingly large amount of blood in her urine). These took up my attention for a few weeks.

I am exhausted from this medical stuff.

Anyway there wasn't a lot of news the past month so there was nothing urgent to call me back to work on the wiki - things were kind of slow in general. Now I have to sit down and review all Recent Changes since December 28th. Given that things were slow, however, only about 4,000 edits were made in that time period -- this is less than it sounds. Multiple small edits from trusted regular users don't need as much scrutiny, and few were random anonymous edits.

I'm very tired.

But I've got responsibilities on here so I'm going to start getting back up to pace.

I might be out of synch for a while because I'm reading through edits from a week or two ago which were subsequently changed. But I've been further behind than this during finals testing and so forth. I have a free day or two now going into the weekend, which is enough time to catch up.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:16, February 5, 2016 (UTC)


 * Okay, 9 days later, I'm officially caught up with everything I missed during my period of inactivity in January. I'm now "keeping pace" with recent changes tab, as it happens.


 * Now I just need to finish off the long-term To Do list...--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:18, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

Remove mobile apps slider from main page?
Hey The Dragon Demans,

I've come across the page announcing Wikia's Game of Thrones app and the string of questioning and frustrated comments underneath. To avoid further confusion, I've added a note to that page that it's not available for download right now, but that it'll come back for Android and iPhone.

Might I suggest removing that slider from the main page, so long as the app ist still unavailable? That would avoid users seeing the announcement about the app, and their subsequent frustration when they realize they can't actually get it at the moment.

Once we offer the app again, we will of course let you know, so you can put the slider back up, and maybe publish a new announcement for the community to get excited about! It's still some (way too much) time till the next season starts, and we really hope the app will be back before then. Cheers! Mira Laime (talk) 19:16, February 11, 2016 (UTC)

Oh yes I was going to update all four slots I'm just coming back from a few weeks off dealing with family medical stuff, I'm running down the to-do list today.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:31, February 11, 2016 (UTC)

Cool, I look forward to the coming changes (not least to new discussions when the new episodes start ;) Mira Laime (talk) 20:44, February 11, 2016 (UTC)

Locked Pages
I have some idea as to why the article for Jon Snow is locked but I was wondering if you wouldn't mind giving me an official explanation as to why that is. Same thing for Catelyn Stark and Sandor Clegane. Shaneymike (talk) 00:42, February 23, 2016 (UTC)


 * Similar reasons. If there's anything specific you want to add I can briefly unlock it.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:50, February 23, 2016 (UTC)


 * At some point perhaps I figure it might be fitting to add some additional details to the Season 4 section for Catelyn Stark - Jaime's conversations with Brienne and Cersei about his promise to her, Lysa sharing her childhood memories of Catelyn to Sansa, Littlefinger telling Lysa that the only woman he ever loved was Catelyn before pushing Lysa out the moon door. Shaneymike (talk) 01:29, February 23, 2016 (UTC)


 * ...tell you what: write it up on a test page and tell me when it's finished.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:52, February 23, 2016 (UTC)


 * How do I create a test page? Shaneymike (talk) 02:01, February 23, 2016 (UTC)


 * Go to "create page" and type in "User:Shaneymike/Catelyn Stark" or "User:Shaneymike/test" etc. The forward slash signifies its an extension of your userpage and it doesn't show up as a real article.  Then we delete it if and when you say you're done with it.  If it would take time to write up any additions you want to the "Catelyn Stark" page, just spend time working on it as a copy-pasted test page until you're finished.  Then I copy-paste it into the locked page.  ...Or I could unlock it if you seriously think you'd be completely done in a matter of a few hours.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:20, February 23, 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I'll work on it tomorrow. Shaneymike (talk) 02:36, February 23, 2016 (UTC)


 * Here's what I have so far: User:Shaneymike/Catelyn Stark Shaneymike (talk) 19:46, February 23, 2016 (UTC)

Update in the article "War of the Five Kings"
Hello Dragon! A question, shouldn't the article about the war be updated? We know that the whole conflict was managed by Petyr Baelish, with the help of Lysa Arryn. The murder of Jon Arryn, the deception of Cat Stark who kidnapped Tyrion Lannister after she got false informations by him? That started the chain of events! --Exodianecross (talk) 01:17, February 28, 2016 (UTC)


 * It should but the entire "Battles" series is a mess and will be a major project to fix. Right now I'm working on the Free Cities.  Working down the list of stuff to do.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 03:53, February 28, 2016 (UTC)


 * I can assist you! I will prepare a few things, you can take a look on them when I'm done! --Exodianecross (talk) 04:15, February 28, 2016 (UTC)

Fixing the battle articles and the overall "War of the Five Kings" page in particular are a massive upcoming project on the "To Do" List to finish before Season 6. Right now I'm working on other stuff that needs to be done (Free Cities).--The Dragon Demands (talk) 06:14, February 28, 2016 (UTC)


 * Allright. I think the most important information would be that the whole conflict was orchestrated by Littlefinger, with the aid of Lysa Arryn! I will include that in the article. --Exodianecross (talk) 15:46, February 28, 2016 (UTC)

TV characters in the game
When you've got a moment do you think you could give this a quick read through, and let me know what you think? It's not quite finished yet, but when it is I was hoping to publish it to the wiki... if not on its own then to incorporate it into Ramsay's article. If you're okay with it I'll do likewise for Tyrion, Jon, Cersei, Margaery, and Daenerys. All of the new game characters have their own biographies on here but there's no information on the involvement of the show characters that appear in it. Xanderen (talk) 21:53, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

...hang onto that for now, don't delete it.

I actually never had the time to sit down and go through all six episodes of the video game. This is item 12 or so on the "To Do" list and one of the largest.

This will be a major project.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 06:51, March 3, 2016 (UTC)


 * Okay, cool. Like I said, it's not finished so I'll guess I'll keep working on it. I'm not that confident with this sort of thing so I was hoping to get a quick proofread of someone. And I've played through all of season one of the game, so when you decide how you want to handle it let me know and I'll help out as fully as I can. Xanderen (talk) 10:05, March 3, 2016 (UTC)

Baptism
My sister just asked me to stand as godfather at her son's upcoming baptism, the first of my own parent's grandchildren. Wow.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 08:05, March 3, 2016 (UTC)


 * Congratulations! :-) Xanderen (talk) 10:05, March 3, 2016 (UTC)

Histories & Lore: Braavos
Do you have the link?--Gonzalo84 (talk) 23:00, March 4, 2016 (UTC) http://www.etcanada.com/latest+videos/game+of+thrones+s5+exclusive+braavos/video.html?v=634330179806&p=2&s=da#latest+videos

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:07, March 5, 2016 (UTC)

Shields/Affiliations
Sorry I got confused by that. There aren't really any consistent standards on here for using them, though... Xanderen (talk) 17:39, March 6, 2016 (UTC)


 * I know that, but that image doesn't look like anything. It's just a fuzzy white streak. I can't see any other article anywhere on this wiki that tries to use screenshots from the show in place of a proper shield, and rightly so, as it looks awful. It wasn't even formatted correctly (inside the infobox instead of above) Xanderen (talk) 06:39, March 7, 2016 (UTC)


 * Working on Stokeworth.


 * As for allegiance shields, we follow what AWOIAF does, which I guess generally would be:


 * Two shields at each corner of infobox are standard; if you have a male member of a Great House like Tywin Lannister or Eddard Stark, they get two lions or two direwolves, respectively.
 * The main exception to this was for marriages; to show which House a married noblewoman originated in (left) and the one she married into (right)
 * Vassal Houses are assumed to be loyal to their regional Great House in normal circumstances: Greatjon Umber just gets two Umber sigils, no an Umber and a Stark.  Using two different ones is meant to show changed allegiances.
 * This gets confusing in times of civil war: the Tyrells as a faction switch from following Renly Baratheon to the Lannisters - this doesn't change the sigils used by individual characters because their "faction" as a whole switched allegiancs (same for the Boltons and Freys).  The sigils were primarily meant to show individual family ties.
 * Theon Greyjoy is probably the worst case example we'll ever have; born into Greyjoy but torn between that and his loyalty to the Starks, practically an adopted son, so in Season 1 or so we might have shown a split for Stark. The Bolton sigil thing was just to emphasize how tortured into insanity he was by the Boltons (frankly I'd have changed the article name, but got voted down). But Theon specifically the Bolton thing doesn't apply anymore.
 * Bigger problem is internal factions: Pycelle is loyal to Tywin and Cersei, but not to Tyrion.  Within the Greyjoys, there are going to be the Euron-faction and Yara-faction - they don't have sigils to distinguish them.

Ultimately, try to limit it to just married women. People who shift factions frequently will be decided on a case by case basis, I guess.

Er....what would help if you had a list of problematic instances so this isn't an abstraction. But shifting allegiances happens to so few - albeit prominent - characters that we can figure it out case by case. General rule is that more than three shields might be pushing it.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 03:23, March 8, 2016 (UTC)


 * Ah, okay, that makes sense, ore or less. What about women who marry more than once? Xanderen (talk) 16:23, March 8, 2016 (UTC)

Remarriages are another one of our worst case scenarios - though mercifully few in number, albeit prominent ones: basically Margaery and Sansa are the big issues, but rare enough we can handle them on a case by case basis.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:24, March 8, 2016 (UTC)

Season 6 Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuH3tJPiP-U 20:42, March 8, 2016 (UTC)