Talk:Jon Snow

Robb & Jon's ages?
Is Robb older than Jon? Jon was conceived during Robert's Rebellion. I don't remember much about Eddard and Catelyn’s wedding. They were betrothed before the war, gaining the loyalty of House Tully. However, were they married before the war or after? Did they consummate their marriage right away if they were married before the war (they had no bedding ceremony)? Seems quite risky to marry a daughter to someone who might be dead in a month. 130.102.158.13 15:02, June 4, 2014 (UTC)


 * Jon is believed to be slightly younger than Robb, by a matter of months. They're both listed as the same numeric age.  Dangerous to marry...that was the whole point; to secure the alliance for the war, Eddard married Catelyn and Jon Arryn married Lysa.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:37, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

*Potential Spoilers* Parentage
​Well some people just casually watch the show and since there haven't been too many hints on the TV show, a LOT of people won't have a clue who his mother is, and besides noting any clues that the TV show has shown, we should really try not to ruin this.

However, you've almost certainly ruined it for anyone reading this who didn't already know it, so congratulations. I'm not going to do it, but I hope an admin deletes this. Son Of Fire (talk) 07:44, December 24, 2014 (UTC)​​

Well its not really a spoiler, i mean technically its theorizing and speculation on a well-known fact, there are show-only viewers who have figured it out. I would say there definitely have been clues in the show all in the first season, they coached Sean Bean in the scene when Jon departs, the "Next time we meet, we'll discuss your mother" and how torn up he was. we see his hesitance to kill a Targaryen child with Dany and see firthand how Robert would react. and in season 4 as well, Oberyn's hints about Rhaegar and his 'loving another'. We knew he and Lyanna took off, and that honorable Ned would never have a bastard. I would say a LOT of people DO have a clue. Its not a well-kept secret a good 90% of the viewership and obviously all the book-readers know this, its not really 'ruining' anything, people wonder who it is, consolidating hints and theories into one place isn't a stretch. The westeros wiki lists the other possibilities as well, such as Ashara Dayne, Wylla etc. to make it less blatant, so if that is doable i say that would be adequate. ````

​I don't mean to come off mean but I think you're dead wrong. I've not read the books but I'm pretty sure it hasn't even been revealed there yet, I don't think ALL book readers know and CERTAINLY not 90% of TV viewers. I'd put the number closer to 5%. I don't think you understand just how many people watch the show for its enjoyment, and then forget about it until the next episode. Most people.

Of course the admins could have a different opinion and that's fine, but I don't think this Wiki needs to do any more than provide innocent and explicitly stated canonical facts and detail what happens in each episode and provide small book information (along with character and location bios). If I were in charge I wouldn't even put a quote from, for example, Jon as that's a spoiler because it lets me know he's still alive. I'd ban the person who ever put that little equation on here as although you may think you're being subtle, it's really obvious what and whom you're talking about. Just from seeing that I managed to work out everything with Lyanna and I was incredibly upset and it completely ruined it for me.

I do understand you don't mean to troll or vandalise, but anything that has not been revealed in the show, even theories, have no business being on a Wiki for the show. Son Of Fire (talk) 04:46, December 25, 2014 (UTC)

I think Son Of Fire has a good point, but unfortunately the Jon Snow wikia article itself fails to abide by the principle that it should restrict itself to what the tv series has revealed. That is, the article says Jon is Ned Stark's son, even though the tv series has presented even less evidence that Jon is Ned's son than it has that Joffrey was the son of King Robert (which was false). The fact that nearly everyone in Westeros believes Jon is Ned's son isn't any more compelling evidence than the fact that nearly everyone in Westeros believed Joffrey was Robert's son. The main reason the article shouldn't say Jon is Ned's son is that Ned never called Jon his son, and no one who would have first-hand knowledge of Jon's parentage ever called Jon Ned's son. (Furthermore, nowhere in the book A Game of Thrones does Ned say Jon is his son, nor even think it.  Nor does anyone say they remember Ned calling Jon his son.)  All we know for sure is that Ned never corrected anyone who called Jon his son, which could easily be explained by fear of what would happen to Jon if Robert learned Jon was really the son of a Targaryen. If I may offer a wild speculation, perhaps the reason George R.R. Martin is taking so long to complete the book series is that he's dismayed that so many readers correctly guessed Jon's parents and is struggling to find an alternative that 'proves' those readers wrong yet is consistent with the published books. But that would be hard to do if three Targaryens will ultimately be needed to ride the three dragons. Direwolfen (talk) 17:07, April 8, 2015 (UTC)

The TV show has given such little attention to the question - NONE after Season 1 - that it's really their fault for not mentioning it more. In which case it isn't really our place to do so here -- at most, see the "Wylla" article.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:15, April 8, 2015 (UTC)

Glad an admin agrees with me on this. I get very annoyed when this issue is raised on the wiki as to me it is a no-brainer. The only information that should be shared on this wiki is what has been established on the TV show and draw comparisons from the books. I worked out the theory based on information from here, specifically the Rhaegar page. At it's present state (and other linked pages) are fine as they currently are. If anything I think we should remove information instead of add it. There is absolutely no chance I would have ever managed to work out the theory based on information from the show alone.

I usually gauge situations like this around what my show-only friends think. These people love the show, don't care about the books and are very intelligent in regards to shows and stories. None of them have ANY idea about who Jon's mother is and have never even thought that Ned might not be the father. And it's not like they don't think about it, I've had guesses from Melisandre to Cassana Baratheon. Based on information from the TV series ALONE, it is VERY difficult to come up with the popular "theory" that book readers have. It is this fact which gives me the opinion that it shoud be no where near this wiki, not even mentioned.

We should be left only with the information the TV show has provided, and only elaborate on this when further developments are made in the show. Again I must say many may disagree and I won't make a huge issue out of this, it's up to the powers that be, but less is more makes a lot of sense in this situation. - Son Of Fire (talk) 17:43, April 8, 2015 (UTC)

Again, I agree with Son Of Fire's principle, but not with Son Of Fire's conclusion that the article is okay. The information provided by the tv show is that the people of Westeros believe Jon is Ned's son, not that Jon is Ned's son. Thus it's wrong for the article to assert Jon is Ned's son. Perhaps the best way around this problem would be for the GoT wikia to post a prominent disclaimer somewhere that says all "facts" presented in the wikia are based on the beliefs of the fictional people and are thus subject to change. (If such a disclaimer already exists, perhaps it needs to be made more prominent.) Direwolfen (talk) 01:13, April 9, 2015 (UTC)

Eye picture
At first glance, that eye drawing/picture...I thought it was the Aeon Flux eye. lol http://www.chud.com/nextraimages/aeonflux1120804.gif   01:34, April 17, 2015 (UTC)

RIP
Kit Harington confirmed in an interview his character died. 

Even without book knowledge, most viewers might believe he'll be brought to life by the Red Woman à la what Thoros did for Beric Dondarrion, but to come back from the dead, you have to be dead which he is until he isn't.WaitingForYou (talk) 02:55, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
 * If they were planning on getting him back they wouldn't tell us.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 02:58, June 15, 2015 (UTC)


 * Well thanks for ruining that for everyone who didn't know. I'm so done with this Wiki and book readers spoiling things they don't think are spoilers that TOTALLY FUCKING ARE. - Son Of Fire (talk) 04:43, June 15, 2015 (UTC)


 * EDIT: Okay never mind. I thought what you were saying is that in the book he had already been brought back to life, but now I see the show and book are at the same point. My bad. And for you, anonymous editor, I wasn't talking about show spoilers, I always watch an episode before coming here. - Son Of Fire (talk) 05:16, June 15, 2015 (UTC)


 * Honestly if you're stupid enough to visit a Wiki right after the season finale you deserve to be spoiled (or at least, I really don't feel sorry for you because you were just BEGGING for it to happen). 174.56.146.50 05:04, June 15, 2015 (UTC)


 * Oh shiz... sorry. :S 174.56.146.50 05:36, June 15, 2015 (UTC)#


 * My fault for not bothering to properly read what WaitingForYou said! - Son Of Fire (talk) 06:16, June 15, 2015 (UTC)


 * I agree, he is dead. But he won't be dead for long. Jarmok (talk) 11:42, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
 * If Melisandre brings him back. Remember, the "Last Kiss" isn't supposed to bring people back from the dead, just a rite for the departed performed at funerals. Even if Jon gets resurrected, no way will the Watch follow an undead leader :P  DRAEVAN13 

11:59, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
 * That's the whole point, through death he is released from any obligations to the Watch. Jon is the heir to the throne being actually the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark, he may be burned to prevent becoming a white walker and that would have the adverse effect being a dragon descendant.

Confirmed dead
Official website, confirmation of death. http://viewers-guide.hbo.com/game-of-thrones/season-5/episode-10/people/61/jon-snow  DRAEVAN13  03:29, June 15, 2015 (UTC)

That doesn't mean anything. Of course they will say he is dead after watching the episode. Otherwise there would be no element of surprise if he were to come back. The point is, we won't know for sure until next season or maybe not until Season 7 if he was ressurected or warged into Ghost or if he is just plain dead. Ragingturtle (talk) 15:09, June 15, 2015 (UTC)


 * It could be he'll be back. But as far as his status on this Wiki is concerned, he's dead.  DRAEVAN13 

15:11, June 15, 2015 (UTC)

Viewer's guide =/= official statement.

Vandalism
Some poor retard removed the "last seen" and changed his status to "Unknown" without even putting the proper link to the "Uncertain" page. Could you please revert it to dead and put the last seen bit again and protect this page further so as to avoid vandalism and inaccuracy by idiots. Thanks2.227.91.227 12:57, July 1, 2015 (UTC)

DoneMikividosevicgasparotti (talk) 13:13, July 1, 2015 (UTC)

Alive?
I'm sort of a legitimacy noob, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but:

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/07/kit-harington-belfast-jon-snow-season-6-game-of-thrones

http://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/tv-radio/591642/Game-of-Thrones-season-6-Jon-Snow-dead-Kit-Harington-Belfast-filming

http://www.standard.co.uk/stayingin/tvfilm/game-of-thrones-season-6-kit-harington-spotted-in-belfast-suggesting-return-of-jon-snow-10403761.html

http://www.mtv.com/news/2222807/game-of-thrones-jon-snow-death-toys/

Extremely suspicious but nothing that concrete, but at least this topic should be open in the case that there is more solid evidence that he's returned. When can we confirm he's back anyway, when he's been spotted on set as Jon Snow or when the premiere/any subsequent episodes air? — Sharp Blades (talk) 22:45, July 25, 2015 (UTC)

I don't think we can confirm it unless they actually officially stated by Kit or a senior member of Staff it or when Season 6 actually comes out. Besides he looked pretty dead (for now at least) so let's try and avoid a pointless debate on changing the status. Gboy4 (talk) 23:44, July 25, 2015 (UTC)