User talk:The Dragon Demands

Anonymous editing
I've disabled anonymous editing for the time being, as that seems to be the only solution. This means that Eko won't be able to edit the wiki from any IP address... he'll have to register a new account and create a new e-mail address every time he wants to attempt any sort of vandalism, making him very easy to deal with... unfortunately this applied to all anonymous editors on the wiki, but for now I think this is our best bet. - 20:38, December 16, 2016 (UTC)

Wait, interfaced is new now; how do we disable anonymous editing?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:01, December 16, 2016 (UTC)


 * You just switch it on or off from the Wiki Features menu. - 12:35, December 17, 2016 (UTC)

yeah, I see it now. Must be a new feature we didn't have that a few years ago.

We may need to keep those disabled...for the duration of the emergency.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:04, December 17, 2016 (UTC)

How to left-align and use collapsible boxes
Note to self:

[//gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Seven_Kingdoms?diff=290572&oldid=290527 http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Seven_Kingdoms?diff=290572&oldid=290527]

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:39, March 14, 2017 (UTC)

Email
Hey The Dragon Demands. I sent you an email the other day about Community Council. I used the address in your Fandom account. Did you get that email? - Brandon Rhea (talk) 18:53, May 17, 2017 (UTC)

I apologize for not getting back to you right away on this: my mother broke her hip and needed to get total hip replacement surgery, I was stuck taking care of her for a while.

I didn't think it was appropriate to accept the position until I had submitted the first wave of video content....problem was, being in the room taking care of mom, I couldn't exactly say "Wait and let me record some audio content". I could write content surreptitiously on my laptop now and again (when I was on a few breaks), but I couldn't get away to record the audio stuff. Ack.

Her surgery is done and I'm back full speed now.

So far I have finished an hour and a half of video content. In "Wave 1".

Many are around 12 minutes long. It was impossible to summarize the storyline of a major character like "Tyrion Lannister", who has appeared in six full seasons of a television show, in a mere five minutes.

I don't know how good these "rough drafts" are, but we need to start monetizing them as soon as possible. -- I tried to spruce them up with fades, ease-in/ease-out. If you want to re-record or just use the same audio but splice in actual video content that's also great but will take time. Your choice.

I downloaded a different Fandom by Wikia video to copy the little logo animation intro/outro and used them on each. I think some are rather spiffy.

At any rate, these are "Wave 1": Either redevelop them, or if you think they're good enough and want to start monetizing right away, plug them into the articles right now.

I am aware that developing this video content for Wikia will result in monetization for the organization, from which I will not be paid. I don't care - I'm not doing this for money. It's about sending a message... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqcbgSpHMFs [The Dark Knight scene: Joker burns the money]

Check the videos I posted them in the official thread: [//gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:53659#3 http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:53659#3]

I will write more via e-mail.

Discussions module on Main Page
Hi, The Dragon Demands! I'm Mike with FANDOM's Community Development Team. With Season 7 about a month away, we are hoping to capitalise on the excitement to kickstart activity in Discussions both through the desktop and mobile experiences.

With that in mind, I would like to ask if it would be possible to add a Discussions module to the main page. To see what it would look like, I have one mocked up on my sandbox wiki (it's currently for the Transformers Wiki, but you can see the module in position in the right column. The module can also be put in the main column if that works better. To see that in action, take a look at Mass Effect Wiki. Personally, I like the smaller side module.

Also, I am wondering if you would be interested in moderating the Discussions content when it hopefully ramps up? - Cavalier One Talk 12:17, June 22, 2017 (UTC)

Of course.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:21, June 22, 2017 (UTC)


 * Might be worth having a separate group of moderators like the Harry Potter Wiki does... lighten the load a bit. - 10:48, June 23, 2017 (UTC)

Well the Transformers Wiki's sidebar seems much less intrusive.

As for Moderators, we want trusted people who can prevent cursing and fighting, but people should be able to criticize D&D (or GRRM) as much as they want - within reason, not just spamming the same message over and over and not acknowledging lack of proof (i.e. I've seriously run into people who say "every frame of TV-Dorne is exactly what the showrunners wanted" when we...have cited interviews where the directors openly state there were production problems. Citable stuff). Mostly just to keep down the cursing and such.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 13:23, June 25, 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I find the sidebar module much neater as well. Do you have any preference on placement? Also, will you need a section header designed or did you handle that yourselves?

As for moderation, at the moment I (and other FANDOM staff) can and will help with the moderation for now alongside the current admin team. Ideally, the community will be able to handle it themselves, or (such as the case on Wookieepedia for example) recruit dedicated moderators from within the Discussions community. -- Cavalier One Talk 15:40, June 27, 2017 (UTC)

The Wiki Remembers
We remember how D&D "condensed" Robb Stark's military campaign so a show-only viewer never understands he has invaded the Westerlands and wants to lure TYWIN into a trap; that Robb is aware the Mountain is politically insignificant, that the Freys were already planning on jumping ship BEFORE they learned he had broken his betrothal.

We remember Lady Stoneheart.

We remember Oswell Whent and that Ned's companions had names.

We remember Jeyne Poole.

We remember that Arya and Jon Snow are wargs.

We remember that Faceless Men don't kill for personal reasons, which forbids them from trying to kill a new recruit they dislike.

We remember a bit of anatomy and medicine (re: Arya getting stabbed in the stomach)

We remember Varys is an extreme utilitarian who employs mutilated child-slaves.

We remember that the murder attempt against Bran gets solved in the books.

We remember that Dontos Hollard carefully cultivated Sansa's trust.

We remember "ONLY CAT" and "When the sun settles no candle can replace it".

We remember that Edmure doesn't sell out the Blackfish out of resentment or to give him a chance of "suicide by cop" and gives him a time to escape.

--Gonzalo84 (talk) 20:45, July 27, 2017 (UTC)

Have you heard that Rhaenyra has an army?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 03:34, July 28, 2017 (UTC)

King's Landing's Population
Suggestion: Update King's Landing's population. It was approx. 500,000 during Robert's Rebellion, but now it's approx. 1,000,000 as confirmed in S7E7. Vapingheathen (talk) 18:19, September 1, 2017 (UTC)

No.

Numbers in S7E7 are blatantly wrong and self-contradictory to the TV show itself, because the TV writers aren't bothering to keep track. Will make a footnote of it.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 04:33, September 6, 2017 (UTC)

Use of templates
Hi! I'm an admin on the Marvel Wikia, and it's been a while since I've been wanting to have infoboxes like yours (or Wikipedia's) on our war and battle events. I currently add the protagonists   this way, but that's not always very clear or esthetical.

I wanted to know if it was possible to "borrow" some parts of your templates to integrate them in ours (I don't know who to ask here and as you're a bureaucrat on this wikia, I thought it would be best to ask you, as I don't know "who's in charge" on the coding aspect here).

Thanks by advance for your answer, positive or negative. Have a good day/night.

Undoniel (talk) 22:32, September 7, 2017 (UTC)

"War for Westeros"
In the talk page for Daenerys Targaryen's invasion of Westeros, two users have mentioned that Cersei refers to this conflict as the "War for Westeros" in dialogue from "The Dragon and the Wolf." (Specifically, "He's going to ferry the Golden Company back here to help us win the War for Westeros.") Opinions on this? — Queen of the Andals and the First Men (talk) 23:44, September 13, 2017 (UTC)


 * Unless the books later use that term, no - it's so vague it could refer to anything; it would get confused with the Targaryen Conquest or Robert's Rebellion.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:50, September 15, 2017 (UTC)


 * Ah, I see your point. — Queen of the Andals and the First Men (talk) 14:25, September 15, 2017 (UTC)

Discord Discussion
Did you and Buffy discuss the possibility of incorporating a discord channel for the wiki? Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk ) 21:09, September 14, 2017 (UTC)

I personally don't want it, because I think it would be difficult to moderate, relative to how little we'd actually use it. Larger, high-traffic communities like Wookieepedia or Marvel Wiki I can see how that's useful, but I'm personally not keen on it. I don't know what the other Admins think.The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:41, September 15, 2017 (UTC)
 * Personally i wish Wookieepedia would disappear also didn't you and Buffy discuss it? Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk ) 02:17, September 15, 2017 (UTC)
 * She's on leave. What do others such as Gonzalo84, Xanderen, Shaneymike think?

...Why would Wookieepedia disappear?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 03:28, September 15, 2017 (UTC)
 * Its just a strong wish i had i suppose i could talk to the other admin then. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk ) 03:57, September 15, 2017 (UTC)


 * I can't see myself getting much use out of it personally, but I have no objections if enough others want it. I know my housemates use it for playing Counterstrike and WoW... that's pretty much the extent of my knowledge on the subject. - 06:57, September 15, 2017 (UTC)
 * Just wanted to clarify... I am not on "leave", I am no longer on this Wiki. Any and all future comments, concerns and questions should not be headed in my direction, as they will not be answered. Thank you. 07:10, September 16, 2017 (UTC)

Season seven blu-ray
We've got new/improved Gardener heraldry, and a slightly different Hoare one. - 20:40, September 15, 2017 (UTC)


 * Gardener updated. - 12:21, September 16, 2017 (UTC)

Common.css page and new additions of copyright boxes
Hello The Dragon Demands! I'm new around these parts, and I've started to contribute a bit too. That being said I'm not new to using Fandom's platform and using web-languages. I decided to add some new handy templates revolving copyright boxes, primarily for images. The only problem though is that my changes requires additional CSS code to look like it should. I've added the neccessary code to my personl CSS page, found here. You can try adding it to your own personal CSS page and then take a look at the results,you can check out one of the copyright boxes here:Template:Copyright self.


 * The purpose of this is to implement copyright licensings for images, the template linked above is for self made imagery for example. But I plan on adding more of them later on. So take a look at my recent edits and you can look at all the templates I made for this to function, if you want to adapt anything. But as mentioned it would be highly appreciated from me and in general from the wiki I think, if you as a bureaucrat could add the necessary CSS code for it to function in MediaWiki:Common.css. Thanks! Best regards [[file:Jackiboy Logo.png|70px|link=User:JackiBackiBoy]] (talk) 17:35, September 25, 2017 (UTC)

I don't understand how this is used; ask around with other Admins, this licensing stuff is always a hassle. What personal CSS page?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:18, September 26, 2017 (UTC)


 * You can access it by in the search bar writing in gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/User:The Dragon Demands/common.css or just click here: User:The Dragon Demands/common.css to create the page.


 * This will link the css page to your user profile, in other words, it's your personal CSS page where you can change what you want! Note that this only changes your personal CSS and does not change the CSS that all users see. Which is why I am here and asking you, to implement this into the MediaWiki:Common.css in a specific sub-section. Now when I've showed you how to access your personal CSS page, all you have to do is add the code I have on my CSS page, not the upper section, but all that is under the sub header Template:Copyrightbox, and then try adding that to your CSS page. Then you can take a look at the example of these licensing templates I made, here, Template:Copyright self.


 * As mentioned, this is only an example, and if you like the concept of it, I would be glad to create more specific ones, like the ones used for outside imagery like "free use" and whatnot. Best regards [[file:Jackiboy Logo.png|70px|link=User:JackiBackiBoy]] (talk) 18:46, September 26, 2017 (UTC)

Latest GOT Simpsons Parody
You should definitely see the latest episode of the Simpsons it unreal. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk ) 01:55, October 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * Nikolaj Coster-Waldau even makes a cameo. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk ) 02:06, October 2, 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I saw it. Need to rewatch, there were a lot of background joke titles. [//gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_references_to_Game_of_Thrones_in_other_media http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_references_to_Game_of_Thrones_in_other_media]

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 03:20, October 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * My point exactly. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk ) 03:50, October 2, 2017 (UTC)

Updating pages of omitted characters and differences
Hello The Dragon Demands,

1) I saw that Catelyn's article was updated with information about Lady Stoneheart. Is it permitted to update related articles, like of Beric and the Brotherhood, with information about her?

2) I think it is safe to assume the characters of "Griff" and his "son" were omitted from the show - with only one season left, it seems too late to introduce them. How about updating their articles too?

3) Even though the sixth novel has not been released yet, there are many differences between season 7 episodes and the novels, plenty of them are included in the "Notes" section of the articles. I believe there is enough material for an article of differences. I do not mean stuff like "X is still alive/has not returned yet to Westeros/has not met Y".

I found about ten items per episode. For instance, in respect of "Dragonstone" episode: Would you agree to open an article of differences in respect of season 7 episodes? Moonracer (talk) 12:07, October 13, 2017 (UTC)
 * Alys Karstark is not Rickard's granddaughter but his daughter; she is introduced in an earlier point, prior to the mutiny in Castle Black; her role in the novels is more active than in the show.
 * It was not Euron but Victarion who destroyed the Lannister fleet (although it was Euron's plan); the raid took place in Lannisport, not in Casterly Rock; the failure of the Greyjoy Rebellion was not the reason for Euron's exile.
 * There is no mentioning in the novels of a character named Ned Umber, or that Smalljon had any children.
 * Robett Glover does not have grandchildren.

They shouldn't have been updated, thank you for bringing this to my attention.

I made a forum thread about this, actually: there are only three things I'd even consider "spoiler" anymore, and they're possibly not even TV spoilers anymore: 1 - Lady Stoneheart, 2 - Young Griff, 3 - Jon and Arya are also wargs. I'll...deal with this. The other stuff like Karstark....go into more detail on their character articles, and we'll refine the episode articles.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:21, October 14, 2017 (UTC)


 * I just read your thread about what is still considered as a book-spoiler, and I feel the same >:-( about the omissions you referred to.


 * About the differences: I apologize for not making myself clear enough. I did not mean that all the differences between the novels and the show, mentioned sporadically in the articles of season 7 episodes, should be added to the specific articles they refer to (I believe many of them are already included in the specific articles). I meant to suggest to write them all collectively in one article "Differences between books and TV series - Season 7", similarly to the differences articles of the previous six seasons. Moonracer (talk) 14:24, October 15, 2017 (UTC)

Locking
Is there any chance you could unlock the Daenerys and Gendry page?. I won't ask you to unlock Jon Snow, for obvious reasons, but could you add the year and location of his death in his infobox. Vegan God (talk) 16:25, October 14, 2017 (UTC)

Oh crud, I don't have a list...is there anything else I should unlock?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:17, October 15, 2017 (UTC)


 * They're all here. - 08:22, October 15, 2017 (UTC)

Seasons 1-7 Giveaway
Hi The Dragon Demands! I'm Mike from FANDOM's Community Development Team. As you might have noticed, we are currently hosting a Giveway for a Seasons 1-7 Box Set. I am hoping that I can get your permission to advertise the giveway in the Slider on the Main Page? It will only run until December 8, and then I would revert the slider to its current state. - Cavalier One Talk 21:50, December 4, 2017 (UTC)

Yes, fine.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:08, December 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you! - Cavalier One Talk 12:54, December 5, 2017 (UTC)

Back for Blu-ray
Been inactive for a few weeks due to the job hunt not going very well offline. I'm back now that the Season 7 Blu-ray release is out. I'll try to get a hold on all issues now we're not at fever-pitch activity levels. Got a full year until Season 8: I'm going for consistency instead of a mass burst.

There are a lot of things to fix up:


 * Need to actually sit down and write a coherent, objective Manual of Style, like the Star Trek Wiki has. This will settle issues about Image file standards and so forth (or at least make them more coherent).


 * Going through the Season 7 Blu-ray, the Histories & Lore featurettes. When that's finished, move on to going over the other Histories & Lore again, to the point of exhaustion of all info that can be used in them - they're short enough, one hour per season, that this is a "full task" which can be crossed off relatively easily (in contrast with "Go over all of Season 6 again").


 * Operation Bootstrap: Focus on writing up all of our most popular/highest visited articles to higher standards. I gave up for some time after Season 5 because there was so much back and forth on some (by like 20 people at once). Re-writes won't be "final", but give a coherent starting point for later revisions (cleanup from a "Jon Snow" that thirty people made different small edits to into one unified version, at least). I made a list for these, but only got to "Rhaegar Targaryen" so far. But fixing up "Jon Snow" or "Daenerys Targaryen" is as important as dozens of smaller, less-visited articles.


 * Various other small projects for cleanup - books vs TV series, etc.


 * Having "cleared" the list of most popular articles, gradually expand to reclaiming/fixing others. Starting with straightening out the episode guide articles. Then rounding out to other characters or culture pages.


 * The very last end-state task is to slowly rewatch every season Blu-ray set, including all the special features - including the Blu-ray commentary tracks we never systematically tackled.

So rather than facing a full year sitting around "without much work to do"....I actually fear that one full calendar year might not be enough time. Will get back into things for Season 7 Blu-ray release and going over all the extras.

But the project continues. I think of it like the Seldon Plan.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:02, December 11, 2017 (UTC)

Regarding BC/AC
Should we begin implementing the BC/AC dating system into the timeline and other associated pages now? — Queen of the Andals and the First Men (talk) 00:35, December 14, 2017 (UTC)

Yup. They should have earlier. The producers probably didn't consciously intend this as a change....I've long since realized, since Season 5 or so, that they ARE NOT keeping track of stuff the way that LucasFilm Story Group does for Star Wars. Probably mentioned it in animated featurettes because Benioff and Weiss don't write those, someone else does by just going straight from the books (leading to all sorts of contradictions).

I'm cynically seizing upon this as an opportunity/excuse to convert to the same "AC" dating system that A Wiki of Ice and Fire uses. It's not as if we're contradicting on-screen dialogue...--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:59, December 14, 2017 (UTC)

Vapingheathen
I've begun deleting some of those pointless articles started by Vapingheathen, I hope you don't mind. Someone was asking me about that Discord channel started by Vapingheathen but I didn't respond because I didn't know what this user was talking about until I read Xanderen's message to Vapingheathen about it nearly a month later, saying, "This is something myself and the other admins had already been debating, but the pros and cons need to be weighed first... IE: is anyone actually going to use it?" I was wondering if you or one of the other admins, whenever you all have a moment, would care to give me just a brief explanation of Discord in case another user asks me about that in the future? Shaneymike (talk) 01:42, December 28, 2017 (UTC)

As I understand it, it's basically a more advanced chatroom...but there aren't enough of us, active enough at the same time, to really merit it - and it would be difficult to police, etc. I can see how it helps like, gaming communities and such, but I wasn't in favor. By all means if I got outvoted by a larger number of other Admins on here who...soberly came to the conclusion that we needed it, I wouldn't fight tooth and nail against it. But my vote is that we don't really need it.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:18, December 31, 2017 (UTC)

Laptop damage
I dropped my laptop and it was damaged enough it needs to go in for repairs (damage to the power system, the memory and files are all fine). I'm thus currently limited to an old Vista desktop. I will be checking in but not very active.

I'm using this time to watch through the Blu-ray commentaries for Seasons 5, 6, and 7 which I just took out from my library, and taking notes.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:28, January 6, 2018 (UTC)

Greetings
Just wanted to say hi to you. I emailed you a few weeks back but unsure if you got it. Hope you are well! :) 16:37, January 17, 2018 (UTC)

Hi, how you doing? You can just call me MM. I'm writing this message to you because I'm an admin on the Big Little Lies Wikia and as we're just finding our feet again, I desperately need people to help bring this wiki back up from the ground; and so I was wondering if you would be so kind as to advertise the wiki here. It might be a lot to ask, I know. But it would help and I'd appreciate it a lot. Please think about it and let me know.

Thank you!

Man Mountain (talk) 13:42, March 15, 2018 (UTC)

Character galleries and the main page
Hello The Dragon Demands! Recently, FANDOM has been looking at the way visitors interact with the main page of various communities, and we would like to share some of the results we discovered concerning the Game of Thrones Wiki. Overall, the most popular section of the main page (as in, the most clicked/interacted with) is the character gallery. We've found this is true across a range of wikis. In terms of Game of Thrones Wiki, the next most interacted section is the episode guide. In total, these two sections account for around 20% of visitor clicks on the main page.

However, these sections are "below the fold", meaning that a visitor has to scroll down the page to find them. Because of this new information, we are recommending that character galleries be moved higher up the page to take advantage of this popularity, taking the place of the slider as the focus of the main page. We will be publishing a blog on these findings soon, but thought you might appreciate this information in case it changes the way you structure your main page! Cavalier One Talk 17:10, May 3, 2018 (UTC)

Okay I'll try that format out.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:31, June 17, 2018 (UTC)

The Dragon is awake
Things seem to have cooled down, time to set things back in order.

I've made a lot of mistakes. Too angry, anger makes a man stupid.

I've got to make up for that now.

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:03, June 11, 2018 (UTC)


 * Just touching in to say HELLO!!!! I'm still alive! :) The page still looks great. 16:30, January 29, 2019 (UTC)

anti-Semitic behavior
Hello The Dragon Demands,

I simply wanted to tell you, that one user (AnguyTheFirstofHisName), changed Jane Goldmans profile and he added a racist, anti-Semitic picture and called her a "jewish bitch". I've already reversed it. I would like to ask you, to take the necessary steps against him. Thank you.

Greetings from the german GoT-Wiki^^ Kady0108 (talk) 16:29, June 11, 2018 (UTC)

...I've been back here less than a day...--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:34, June 11, 2018 (UTC)

...I could see that^^ That's why I choose to tell you. Thanks for the quick reaction. And I'm so sorry about my messed up English... Kady0108 (talk) 20:03, June 11, 2018 (UTC)

Affiliates Update
Hello,

My name is Jay, an admin at the official Pretty Little Liars Wiki, and I'm hoping you could update your Affiliates page to direct users to the official site rather than our knockoffs. And in turn, would you be interested in being added to our affiliate list?

Hope to hear from you soon,

Echo Spy (talk) 01:05, June 12, 2018 (UTC)

Okay, though I need to figure out how to set that up...--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:41, June 14, 2018 (UTC)

Winged Knight vs Artys Arryn
Hi. Do I have permission to merge these pages, as it does state in House Arryn (Complete Guide to Westeros) that: ''The Arryns are direct descendants of Andal invaders, who sailed across the Narrow Sea and came ashore at the Fingers. According to legend, Ser Artys Arryn, known as "the Winged Knight", soared through the skies atop a giant falcon, landing on the peak of the highest mountain, where he defeated the Griffin King in battle. It was the Andals' first great victory over the First Men. And Ser Artys was duly rewarded. He was declared King of the Mountain and the Vale, and the region renamed "the Vale of Arryn". ''Thanks. ABCXYZ12345678 (talk) 11:40, June 16, 2018 (UTC)

...I don't think we should. The World of Ice and Fire points out that while Artys Arryn got merged with the Winged Knight in many legends, they can't possibly be the same person: they know that the Arryns were blatantly Andals, and could not possibly have lived during the Age of Heroes. Keep the pages separate while explaining the discrepancy.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:53, June 16, 2018 (UTC)

Bureaucrat
Hi Dragon. I would like to accept the title of Bureaucrat and the responsibilities that come with it. Greater Good (talk) 20:36, June 18, 2018 (UTC)

Audio Commentary
Hey, I don't know this is the right place to contact you, so I apologyze. This is my first time using this.

I was reading the Episodes Pages from GOT (series) and noted that only the season 1 episodes has the description of what they say on the audio commentaries (in the Commentary tab). Is there any chance to do the same thing on the others seasons? I don't have the acess for this feature and really want to know what they say.

Sorry for the English, it isn't my native language

Please, reply me..

Bmasux (talk) 19:25, June 25, 2018 (UTC)Bmasux

That's a massive research project we're slowing making progress on. Slowly on the scale of years.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:03, June 27, 2018 (UTC)

Prequal era
Hi, haven't heard from you in a while and didn't know if you saw my latest response to your invite to become an administrator. It's on the "Prequal era" chat of my talk page, and I've pasted it below. Gotlvr87 (talk) 14:45, July 6, 2018 (UTC)

In that case, I would like to be an adminsitrator. Do you need anything else from my end, or is it simply a matter of updating my status from your end? Gotlvr87 (talk) 19:07, June 30, 2018 (UTC)

Also, I think something my be off with my notification settings. Normally I get alerts when something I'm following has been ediited, either an article or a talk page, but those haven't been coming in lately (including for this). Is there any way to check/change?Gotlvr87 (talk) 19:09, June 30, 2018 (UTC)

Sick
I was very sick last week of July and inactive. Better now.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:08, August 2, 2018 (UTC)

Oops...
Hey, I think I just screwed up the "Armament" page, big time. I was trying to add a new reference, but something I did ended up erasing all of the other references throughout the page, leaving only the new one I inserted. Is there a way to undo that, or do all of the references need to be re-entered manually? Gotlvr87 (talk) 20:24, August 9, 2018 (UTC)

Ibbenese
Should a section for the Ibbenese be created on the "Cultures and Peoples" page? Not a lot has been reveled about them, but I think enough has to warrant a section. If so, what heading should it be placed under? Gotlvr87 (talk) 14:31, September 6, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah...I'm going to get around to updating that eventually, but it's a huge project...--The Dragon Demands (talk) 13:51, September 7, 2018 (UTC)

What was the flaw in the deleted pages?
Hello The Dragon Demands,

Over a year ago I posted two new pages, whose titles were "Leech Ritual" and "The North Remembers (motto)". Those pages were deleted. I have no idea exactly when and for what reason.

I am not complaining about the deletion; I am certain the administrator who deleted them - did it due to a serious flaw.

I wish to contribute more to the wikipedia by adding new pages, and I have some ideas. The problem is that I do not know what was the flaw in the aforementioned deleted pages (writing style, grammar, spelling, etc.); there is no point to start working on new pages without knowing first what was wrong with my previous works.

I request to know why the pages were deleted. If you wish to inspect them, and they cannot be uploaded, I have backup files.

Best regards, Moonracer (talk) 14:16, September 21, 2018 (UTC)

I don't even remember the original articles and their deletion may have been in error.

...I think we stopped having pages on mottos because they're too vague/specific, and frankly the TV show isn't consistent with them - juts randomly quoting "the North Remembers" to no real effect.

...on the other hand, I don't know why the Leech Ritual was cut. I don't know if it's big enough to merit a distinct article - maybe a major subsection on the "Blood Magic" article? (section by section on spells involving blood magic).

So I don't know what can be said about "the North Remembers"...other Admins might disagree though, ask around. The leech stuff might be better in a Blood Magic subsection (specific articles are fun, but decrease the chances of casual readers actually seeing the information. Putting it in "Blood Magic" is trying to follow the principle of "accessibility").

I hope that helps.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:25, October 1, 2018 (UTC)

1) I initially considered to make the leech ritual as a part of "Blood Magic" - but it was way too big to be a sub-subject, including its stages, the "In the books" section and the debates whether it truly had any effect and if it assisted Stannis.

Maybe it would be better if I upload the page and you can inspect it?

If accessibility is the only problem, I can add a link at the page of "Blood Magic".

2) I can go over the list of contributions of the administrators to find out who deleted the pages, but it would take long. Is there a faster way to find out who it was, so I can address him/her and ask what was the reason for the deletion? Moonracer (talk) 05:14, October 2, 2018 (UTC)


 * I edited and re-posted the page. I added the assassination template, but I am uncertain it is suitable for the page (because it is doubtful if there was a connection between the ritual and the deaths).


 * I know you are very busy with the Long Night project, but could you please review the page? Moonracer (talk) 13:22, February 25, 2019 (UTC)

Videos
Interesting:

https://kotaku.com/video-game-wikis-abandon-their-platform-after-year-of-p-1829401866

I don't mind intrusive videos. I just want them to be good videos. --The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:15, October 2, 2018 (UTC)

Screenprism videos
I've noticed that a couple of the Great House articles have videos from Screenprism at the top of their pages. I am a HUGE fan of Screenprism (been following them on YouTube for over ages) and would love to insert the videos that they have done on other houses into their respective articles. I tried using the "Video" template, but that just inserted the video into the very bottom of the page. I even looked at the code for "House Stark" as a starting point, put couldn't decipher where the video file was actually inserted. Is there a special technique for getting a video to appear at the top of the article? Please let me know, as this is something I'd love to work with. Gotlvr87 (talk) 17:38, October 3, 2018 (UTC)

An idea for a new page
Hello The Dragon Demands,

I wish to contribute to the wikipedia more than just a simple editing. I have an idea for a new page, but since the former pages I posted were deleted (maybe because of their topics, I was not informed of the reason for the deletion), I request in advance your permission to create the page.

The topic I have in mind is the ironborn's invasion of the North. I went over the episodes and the parallel book chapters, and found it interesting how it developed simultaneously and separately from the main conflict between the other Westerosi factions, as if it was a totally independent campaign rather than just a part of the War of the Five Kings, and almost without affecting the events south of the Neck (in contrast to the novels).

I am aware that there is no such article in the AWOIAF (like "Abduction of Lyanna Stark" and many other pages which exist this wikipedia), so I have to start from scratch, but I wish to give it a try anyway. I think it should be written similarly to the format of the conflict beyond the wall - a separate section with a summary for each stage, with links to the main articles.

What is your opinion? Moonracer (talk) 05:58, October 15, 2018 (UTC)

...you mean like a "Military Campaign" sub-article to a war? Well yeah okay.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:19, October 31, 2018 (UTC)


 * Done. There are several aspects I am not certain about:


 * I had great difficulties with the templates, especially filling the fields of the "War" template. For instance, the "conflict" line (below the "image" line) is not visible in the visual mode. Could you explain how to fix that?
 * I am not sure about the chronology of the initial stages, whether Winterfell is captured before or after Deepwood Motte and Moat Cailin - both in the novels and the show.
 * In other pages of military campaigns, the top of the info box shows the previous and next wars/battles; I was not sure what to do in this case, since it is not a separate war, and not one military action but a series.
 * I could not decide which photo is the most suitable to be placed in the info box.
 * Is it correct to add it to "battles" or "wars" category? The invasion is not exactly either, but I could not find a suitable category.
 * I request your review about the page. Moonracer (talk) 15:49, November 10, 2018 (UTC)

Official discord channel
Hey there admin, I'm Reverb frost one of the two GDMs assigned to this wiki's discussion board. I have had some requests from discussion board users about having a discord channel. And i suppose this wiki has no official server. So is there a possibility of having one in future or something similar? Reverb frost (talk)

Spam
Hello The Dragon Demands,

Lately, users (Thanikkk, Aekapaong1, Kathdyqq, Tongueli, Odeencha and others) post the same spam, using strange symbols (perhaps Cyrillic letters) - links to the website www.ufa 007.com. I banned a dozen or so of those users and their IP as well, and Shaneymike recently banned one.

I believe all the delinquent accounts belong to the same person, who opens a new account whenever an existing one is banned. Apparently, banning the accounts does not help.

Is there another way to block that spammer? Moonracer (talk) 08:45, October 21, 2018 (UTC)

Try to flag down one of the Wikia/Fandom "Staff" users on Community Central...when this sort of thing happens the anti-vandalism task force can usually set up some sort of IP address blocking to keep it in check. I think.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:05, October 31, 2018 (UTC)
 * As you suggested, I contacted the VSTF, and the spam has been blocked; unfortunately, this section in your talk page was blocked too (not the whole page) due to the spamming phrase which I wrote above. I immediately contacted the VSTF to fix that, and it was fixed.
 * I apologize for the inconvenience. Moonracer (talk) 13:45, November 3, 2018 (UTC)

Military strength
Moonracer told me I could talk to you.

Nearly a month ago I have been working on the site, and Moonracer has been notifying me of the various errors on the site, mainly due to my lack of language handling, references and my lack of knowledge of the "rules" of the wiki.

About the handling of English ... it is true that the page had many orthographic, grammatical, misspelling and other errors, and this is because I do not handle English very well, nor do I have the time to learn it specifically for this page and I do not have someone close to help me. Even so, I decided to create the page after seeing this reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/9czrl8/spoilers_game_of_thrones_army_sizes/) and I thought as a fan of the series, that it would be a great idea to create an article about it and with the help of the source could facilitate the search for information in the articles ... but not I was expecting a reception so negative and embarrassing me my English. Some users (Protector of the Seven Kingdoms especially) corrected many of my mistakes and added information (delete one or two editions, such as claiming that The Reach can enlist 100,000 soldiers). Moonracer affirmed that despite being a volunteer user of a wiki, it was my responsibility to correct it, but I simply could not correct those errors, because I would not know that it was right or wrong and I had hope that the community would help me.

About the references ... Moonracer complained a lot about the references. first because they were not there, then because they were not adequate and recently because they were poorly written. (e.g. "[//gameofthrones.fandom.com/wiki/episode_4 https://gameofthrones.fandom.com/wiki/episode_4]" should be seen as "episode4"). The first time I added references to the article, I thought about how the information should be verified, I was not satisfied with articles of chapters of this wikia, that speculate, deny or do not name the information I needed, so I used scripts from where I could find them. ..Moonracer notified me that this was inappropriate, I suppose that by using the article of an episode as a reference, the reader is expected to see the episode and not the article to verify .. If so, I do not agree with that, but still remove the scripts and leave only the scripts I found in the Television Academy, which are totally official and true, one can read what the writers believe canonical for the scenes of great armies (the scripts mention that 2,000 knights saved the day at the Battle of the Bastards, or that the 100,000 dothraky in Vaes Dothrak, at least 40,000 are horsemen) or simply the dialogues of characters that mention numbers of troops. I also used recaps since they had more in-depth information about the episodes, but Moonracer notified me again that this was inappropriate.

When the article was first removed, Moonracer would allow me to upload it again with ALL the corrected errors, without knowledge of English (Google translator is not an option), without knowing that it would be structurally wrong within the parameters of the wiki (although Moonracer I recommend small editions to learn, which I try and eliminate them myself) and forcing myself to use the source, which is very tedious and I have no interest in using.

Maybe I had to make more clear my difficulties and opinions about creating an article that I can not write very well and it is more a project to review the seven seasons and all extra content (like Histories & Lore) and I needed a lot of help as a volunteer community.

Even so I corrected it as I could, I did some additions (like the smaller houses in the north), improve the references (with the third mistake I mentioned, which were being corrected) and asking Moonracer not to bite so much because I do not have time or dedication that the, the facilities for the language and that the article is huge. I do not think anyone loses his head for an article temporarily under construction ... however Moonracer definitely eliminated it, I blocked a week (preventing me from communicating with you). Honestly I was angry that I eliminated an article so fast, without time to save something and especially an article that i spend a lot of time.

Jon Humbert (talk) 17:40, November 2, 2018 (UTC)

Hello The Dragon Demands,

As I repeatedly explained to Jon Humbert, it should have created the whole page, make all the additions and editions, and most importantly proofread it - before posting it, not afterwards.

The original page has been full of errors of all kind - spelling, punctuation, grammar, mixture of tenses in the same sentences, poor phrasing of sentences and paragraphs, and parts which were copy-pasted from the ASOIAW and other sources, and crudely put together. I believe it is not the proper way to create new pages.

Maybe I should have immediately deleted the page, but did not, because I know how it feels when pages are deleted; I was not given a chance to fix whatever was wrong with the pages I posted (I am not complaining, just pointing out facts). So I decided to go easy with Jon Humbert, to let it a chance to fix the page.

ProtectorOfTheSevenKingdoms and I have been doing our best to help Jon Humbert. I fixed some of the errors, gave it specific instructions and made a list of the most common errors in the page (User_talk:Jon_Humbert#Too many errors in "Military strength" page).

I have repeatedly explained to Jon Humbert that the accuracy of the page is its responsibility, and it cannot post so poorly made page and expect ProtectorOfTheSevenKingdoms or ILikeLore or any other user to do the proofreading. It repeatedly answered with the same excuses - that it does not speak English well or does not have time for that - which, in my opinion, are not acceptable.

I do not think it is the job of other users or the administrators to serve as English teachers. Everyone, including me, makes mistakes now and then, but not in such extent. Users are expected to help others, but not to completely re-edit poorly made pages.

I told Jon Humbert that the membership in the wikipedia is voluntary, no one forces it to do anything - but since it decided to post a page, it should do it properly, including going over the episodes and verifying the numbers, rather than simply copy-pasting information from other websites - and to obey the rules (without quotation marks).

I specifically instructed Jon Humbert that transcripts cannot be used as references, and it replaced some - but not all. Moreover, it ignored my instructions to proofread the page.

Finally, I decided to delete the page; I did not delete it immediately, but blocked it for several days to allow Jon Humbert to make a backup copy. I left him a very clear message (User_talk:Jon_Humbert) with very clear instructions: it may re-post the page, but only after it is totally rewritten and proofread, every part of it, including the parts it copied from AWOIAF wikipedia - before, not after the posting.

Since I did not wish to burden Jon Humbert too much, I never said a word about the improper way it made the references to the episodes (I wrote a post in its talk page about that, in respect to editions it made in other pages - User talk:Jon Humbert), nor have I demanded it to add "In the books" section, although there should have been.

Again, Jon Humbert ignored my warning and instructions, and re-posted the page as it was prior to the deletion. I checked it, and it contained all the errors (I made a list). The page was not proofread. ProtectorOfTheSevenKingdoms fixed many of those errors, but there were many left, among them "Cersei and Renly who each have one hundred men".

Moreover, the page still contained references to scripts, which I had specifically warned Jon Humbert not to use. It fixed some, but only after re-posting the page, and there were still left.

Moreover, I also told Jon Humbert to make all the additions it wished before the re-posting, and it ignored that instruction too.

As you can see, there is a pattern in Jon Humbert's conduct: it does whatever it wishes, repeatedly disobeys most instructions and ignores warnings. Such defiance, to my opinion, is unacceptable.

Finally, I've had it. I deleted the page again (this time - without blocking it first and waiting for several days), blocked Jon Humbert for one week and forbade it of re-posting the page for the third time.

I have not banned Jon Humbert, although perhaps I should have, given its consistent disobedience. I also encouraged it to make simple editions (which it did improperly). I also explained that it could appeal on my decision by contacting you. I've been fair with it as much as I could, although I did not like its behavior.

I believe my criticism of the page and of Jon Humbert's behavior has been constructive, maybe tough, but not whimsical. I have no personal vendetta against Jon Humbert.

I still think that the topic is good for making a page in this wikipedia, but not by Jon Humbert. I gave it many chances, and it blew them all. Such behavior cannot be tolerated, and definitely not rewarded. I believe that discipline should be maintained.

Hopefully, ProtectorOfTheSevenKingdoms or other user who speaks English well and listens to administrators, will taken upon itself to remake the page.

Moonracer (talk) 18:54, November 2, 2018 (UTC)

Man but I told you, I do not speak English, I do not have time, I gave my opinion why I believed at least leaving the official scripts, and the when the page was republished had corrected the scripts that were not official, and almost all article references of the wiki, even if the summary of the episode did not have a specific mention to what I was talking about (although I think the recaps are not valid as a reference) and I do not know how bad it was in terms of spelling and that, but you eliminated it and I could not even save all those days of work to check how much I had corrected it (because I use reddit as an index, not as a source as you think).

If the page was so bad, at least save it or let me save it, I do not know if you were really working days watching chapters and chapters, at least the one that has time to reconstruct it in a day as you wish, will not have to start from scratch, because everything what I had to do was correct the linguistic errors because ALL the information was true, there was no data that had no canonical basis (although it did not make sense, for example that the Tyrells had an army smaller than the Lannisters, or the thousand ships of Euron)

Maybe I should have given options to a debate or something to talk about how I can not learn native English in hours or why I thought references were the right ones.

I did not know whether to post this here or on your discussion page, Moonracer. Jon Humbert (talk) 21:24, November 2, 2018 (UTC)

We have a lot of users who don't speak English as their primary language. A few small errors as a result are forgivable. But you can't reasonably post large amounts of content that are not in grammatically correct English, making a large amount of work for other people to edit it. We do have alternate versions of the wiki in other languages - what's your primary language?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:33, November 5, 2018 (UTC)

I am ashamed of the bad linguistic state in which the page was, but while other users do not have english as their main language and write it very well, it will be because they had the facilities to learn it. I speak spanish, but the spanish version of this wiki is oriented to books (I have only read A Game of Thrones) and believe me, it is not that spanish speakers ask this question as much as what I have seen in forums in english.Jon Humbert (talk) 17:40, November 6, 2018 (UTC)

Hi, TDD I propose to try again to publish the page, I have what is left of the source the first time it was deleted, mainly correcting references, I am sorry I can not do much in the linguistic field. If the administrators believe that the page as an idea is good and interesting, I will gladly work on the references and data, as I have said many times, ALL the data was true and there was not much left, I only ask for a lot of help to correct my linguistic errors, I know It's irresponsible, but building that article from scratch is very hard and long. I want to try to add a section that tries to explain the great amount of inconsistencies of the series with respect to that topic. I do not know how important the "In the books" section is, considering how well that topic covers AWoIaF.Jon Humbert (talk) 19:12, November 13, 2018 (UTC)

Try what you can, but we do need to correct any incorrect English grammar - not the numbers/factual information.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:15, November 13, 2018 (UTC)

Hello The Dragon Demands,

Jon Humbert asked me to post my opinion in your page, in respect of its recent message.

I still object to allow Jon Humbert to remake the "Military strength" page, for the reasons I specified above and more.

Had Jon Humbert improved its behavior, I might have changed my mind. But it has not.

It is not just about making a page full of errors; Jon Humbert has been consistently disobeying my instructions and ignoring my warnings, not just in respect of "Military strength", but also in respect of improper editions it recently made in the pages "Battle of the Bastards" and "Battle of the Blackwater" (see my recent message in the link User talk:Jon Humbert).

I gave Jon Humbert more than one chance to fix the improper editions, and very specific explanations and instructions; as usual, it did only part, after being reminded, and ignored the rest. I have grown tired of running after this user, begging it to make all the necessary amendments. Had it asked for assistance or clarifications, I would have helped it, but it did not. Therefore, I had no choice but to block it again, this time for two weeks.

Again I say: in my opinion such behavior cannot be tolerated, and definitely not rewarded. Moonracer (talk) 14:28, November 14, 2018 (UTC)

The military strength page is a drain on limited time and resources that are badly needed for Season 8 and prequel prep. I wouldn't mind if he was doing it well on his own, but he's introducing enough errors that we should put it "on hold" for several months, and not recreate the page. However, he should not be punished for anything - it's simply a new project we shouldn't launch into right now with so much Season 8 and prequel activity. We'll get back to it eventually. --The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:48, November 1, 2018 (UTC)

So I can not try to publish it again for another year (after the end of the eighth season and loose ends tied)Jon Humbert (talk) 17:13, November 29, 2018 (UTC)

The Long Night wiki
Hi, TDD! I'm here to represent the newly-founded Long Night wiki, for the upcoming prequel pitch. At the moment I'm trying to prepare the wiki to the best of my ability for the prequel's release. As the only admin--and only contributor as of yet, you can imagine I'm actively seeking assistance, advise, and exposure. Building a wiki alone is tedious work. That said, I'm looking for external help from a more experienced wiki admin. ProtectorOfTheSevenKingdoms (talk) 21:22, November 5, 2018 (UTC)

...No one asked you to make a separate wiki for the Long Night. This wiki will cover the entire TV franchise.

I won't help you make it. I doubt the other Admins who put a lot of work into this one will help you make it.

Every time there's a new franchise installment there are spinoff wikis for things like in Star Wars. A few even get a fair amount of activity (for a specific show). But they can't compete with the resource base of Wookieepedia itself.

I won't stop people from trying to make spinoff wikis, but no I'm not going to help you.

Did you think we weren't making prequel content on this wiki?

Anyway, not to shoot you down, I fully encourage you to make prequel content like Long Night stuff on this wiki.

As you pointed out, it's too much work for one person, and the contributor base would only get divided between two wikis.

Also, Long Night is going to be a train wreck. On top of that....it isn't even greenlit yet. The pilot might be terrible.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 05:41, November 11, 2018 (UTC)

Ironborn Invasion of the North
Good evening Dragon. Happy Thanksgiving.

Earlier today, Moonracer posted on my wall inquiring as to what type of infobox/category to use for the "Ironborn invasion of the North" article - war, battle, event. Right now i have it set at event but considering it covers a whole chain of events, I'm wondering if maybe at some point we should create a whole new infobox template for that article as well as a bunch of articles for the other military campaigns on the "War of the Five Kings" template i.e. "The Young Wolf's Campaign".

What do you think? Shaneymike (talk) 02:48, November 23, 2018 (UTC)


 * The problem is that whatever existing template is used for the invasion page - some of the sections of the infobox, which exist in the "source" mode, are not visible in the "visual" mode: using the Battle or War templates makes the "Conflict" line disappear from the visual mode; using Event tamplate makes the "Battles" and "Commanders" sections disappear.


 * Moreover, the invasion is neither a battle nor a war, but something between - a series of battles which is a part of a war. Defining it as an event is too general.


 * For that reason, I believe that it would be appropriate to create a new infobox template for the invasion page - "Campaigns" or "Military campaigns".


 * Happy Thanksgiving. Moonracer (talk) 14:57, November 23, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah A Wiki of Ice and Fire breaks that down into subheaders like "Riverlands campaign" and stuff. Though it's use applying categories to things that grew organically...which could be said of all historians.

(shrug)

If you want to put the time in, have fun with it.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:34, December 13, 2018 (UTC)

Markers
Hi TDD, I am sorry to write for a more personal reason than one with a collaborative objective, but I do not know any other way to contact you. The fact is that I'm working very hard on something that I think you like, and I need the help of people very knowledgeable about everything related to the series. Map Markes  By the light they seem to be melted ... I'm doing all the markers I find in the chapters or blu-ray and for now I've done those of Robb, Daenerys, Bolton, Stannis, the stones of Jon, a teaser of the seventh season and Histories & Lore (The North, Northern alliegances to Stark House, The Riverlands, The Westerlands, Robert Rebelion, House Martell Cyvasse, War of Ninepeny Kings, Rains of Castamere and House Lannister, Kings of the Rock & Gardener House, Kings of the Reach). Some of the ones I've already done are not in the image yet. I included the Risk ones, ones from the Telltale game and the "pawns" from GOT Conquest. I do not know if any of them have escaped me, and that's why I'm asking for help. (There are some that Tywin Lannister uses but they are indistinguishable, others of the Rebellion Greyjoy that are indistinguishable too), please I beg you for help, it is a project to which I have a lot of love and work. DvranPing200 (talk) 23:18, December 23, 2018 (UTC)

Curly brackets
Should curly brackets be used to mark an extinct house like a dead character? I've seen different uses, some marking dead houses with curly brackets and others marking them by "extinct" in parentheses. ProtectorOfTheSevenKingdoms (talk) 04:06, January 21, 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure; however A Wiki of Ice and Fire does it in their navboxes.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:11, February 2, 2019 (UTC)

Request For CSS Classes
So if you look at User:Tucker100/common.css, you can see that I have coded many classes. The first class creates a spinning animation when you hover over an image or box. The rest of the classes are code for an image container that when you hover over it, it brings up a box that has more text in it. Just create that same common.css file but as a sub page of your profile page then head over to my page, to see the full effects of the code.

21:48, January 22, 2019 (UTC)

Also are the changes I made to Charportalaaa okay?

00:06, January 23, 2019 (UTC) ` Show me a test example. I worry that this would slow the page down.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:12, February 2, 2019 (UTC)

  Tyrion    

Discussion Board
Hey there Dragon.

The Global Discussion Moderator assignment has officailly ended but we haven't found a good candidate who is active/eligible enough to be a moderator. Being a big GoT fan myself, I would like to continue the duties of moderating the discussion board. In order to do that you will have to promote me and give me Discussion Moderator rights. Kindly do the needful.

I don't know what that is.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:10, February 2, 2019 (UTC)


 * Our Global Discussions moderators are a group of users who voluntarily help out on communities where Discussions is quite active, but the local admins and mods don't have the capacity to moderate those posts.


 * This wiki did have their help for a while, which you had approved back in September last year. That's what Reverb frost is referring to.


 * He's now asking if you'd consider promoting him to Discussions moderator locally on this wiki, so he can continue to help out on Discussions long term, and the posts there are monitored, even if you and the other admins here don't have time to keep an eye on it. If that sounds good to you, I as a staff member can even assign him those rights for you. Mira Laime   (help forum | blog) 18:42, February 4, 2019 (UTC)


 * Just checking, because we want to make sure Discussions is well taken care of, especially when the next season starts: Is it okay with you if Reverb frost becomes a local moderator here? Unless you want to do it yourself, I can give him the necessary rights this week. If you have objections, let me know! Mira Laime   (help forum | blog) 22:41, February 11, 2019 (UTC)

Well....yes, okay, his credentials seem to check out. We've got a lot of work to do, and one of my big fears is something like someone posting hardcore porn, racist stuff, or snuff film type things in Discussion, and we'd be so busy editing articles that we wouldn't notice for days. Going to need to delegate this by hiring on more people - yes, set up Reverb frost as a Discussions moderator.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:00, February 11, 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you! I have given Reverb frost the necessary rights so he can keep order in Discussions. I'm sure he'll do an excellent job keeping the conversations there appropriate and positive! Mira Laime   (help forum | blog) 17:35, February 12, 2019 (UTC)

CRAM IT videos
Hey The Dragon Demands. I posted a thread here about a ScreenJunkies YouTube series our Studio team produces CRAM IT, and how they want to do a few CRAM IT videos for some Game of Thrones characters ahead of the season 8 premiere. These are videos that we look for community input on, but there hasn't been any response to my thread yet. Since I know you've been interested in videos in the past, I was wondering if you had any recommendations for which characters you think should be covered? Unfortunately this is a quick turnaround time since they need to start developing the series, so if you have any ideas in the next day or two we'd love to hear them. Thanks! - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 21:11, January 28, 2019 (UTC)

I'll have to check those out.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:19, January 29, 2019 (UTC)

I have my laptop back, I'll get on to this...--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:04, February 2, 2019 (UTC)

Keeper of the Lore

 * I greeted ya above, but now I wanted to ask real quick, what does Keeper of the Lore mean beside Knight on our avatars and usernames? 16:34, January 29, 2019 (UTC)


 * Sort of a "take that" against how Bryan Cogman kept introducing himself as "Keeper of the Lore"...in caps like that...since Season 1, only to later mockingly admit that they came up with the name sarcastically, and have nothing comparable to the Lucasfilm Story Group. Mixing up basic internal continuity even within the TV show, multiple times. So at a certain point...after all of Bryan's evasiveness about his job qualifications, plot holes, plot changes...there came a point where I realized "the head admins on a fan wiki do more actual work as "Keepers of the Lore" than Bryan himself".


 * I.e. Bryan introducing "I'm the Keeper of the Lore! - So give me a prequel TV series!" (which didn't happen)....Yeah...he's no "Keeper of the Lore". It's a sarcastic dig at Cogman lying about that.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:08, January 29, 2019 (UTC)

Broken laptop
I have been inactive recently because disaster struck and my laptop broke. Waiting on repairs. All my stuff was in there. Writing now from a work computer.

Crud. --The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:19, January 29, 2019 (UTC)


 * I take it you got a new PC or you just work late

22:32, January 29, 2019 (UTC)

Writing on my work computer.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:34, January 29, 2019 (UTC)

Telltale
Hey. Sorry about my rather lengthy absence of late... I’ve been wrestling with some personal issues that have consumed the last few months! I’m trying to get back into the swing of things, but like you am struggling along without a computer of my own. Hopefully that will change soon.

Now that Telltale has collapsed and it’s been confirmed that no future instalments of the GoT game will be produced I’m wondering if we should reevaluate whether or not we host related content here... what do you think? - 08:07, February 2, 2019 (UTC)

I want to rebuild everything we've lost, all working together to make a better prequel era than we had in the frustrating late Game of Thrones years.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:58, February 2, 2019 (UTC)

I'm leaning towards hosting Telltale information here, but not interlinking it. I.e. removing all references to the Forresters from the "War of the Five Kings" or "Red Wedding" pages, but keeping articles on "House Forrester" - given that "a wiki is not paper" and we can have as many articles as we want. Most of all, because the TV writers themselves just plain weren't keeping track of a unified crossover canon as we had hoped.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:03, February 2, 2019 (UTC)

Navbox
Do you like the below navbox that I made and added?

17:49, February 2, 2019 (UTC)

...It's a bit early, but leave it in for now.

I took out characters we assume are in but can't be sure if they're in there: we have no idea if Lann the Clever or Durran are in it. Even "Bran the Builder" is stretching things. We still don't know much about Long Night.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:01, February 2, 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay I just put them there because you put them on in the prequel category on the top bar.

19:32, February 2, 2019 (UTC)

Intro to character articles
Hey, I'm just wondering what is considered to be the standard formatting for the introduction to articles for characters. While some, such as Daenerys Targaryen, only contain short introductions that only mention basic familial details or otherwise major character traits, others, like Tyrion Lannister, go more in depth into the character's story over the seven seasons. I'm just interested in potentially helping out with standardizing these, if necessary. Thanks. Reddyredcp (talk) 00:40, February 7, 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, standardizing those is going to be a major task leading in to Season 8. Trying to gear up to it. They probably shouldn't be as long as the Tyrion one. Ack. I know this is an issue.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:56, February 11, 2019 (UTC)

Jon Snow
Hi. Could you possibly update Jon Snow's age for Season 8 and changed his image as per the newly released Season 8 images (you'll probably need to crop it; it's quite squareish...)? Thanks. ABCXYZ12345678 (talk) 17:05, February 13, 2019 (UTC)

Discussions yet again - are you up for a test?
I have yet another proposal concerning Discussions to discuss with you and the other admins! The last season of Game of Thrones is going to be one of the biggest pop culture events of the year (obviously), and so we expect a whole lot of new people to find this wiki, and to also find Discussions, and to want to share how excited they are. We've seen that on other communities - lots of posts like "Who else is excited?", "Only ten more days!" in the lead-up to the season premiere.

Fandom has been working on a new type of Discussions post, a countdown to the new season, that can help funnel all that excitement into one space, rather than flood your Discussions feed with repeated outbursts of excitement.

We'd love to enable this here first, for this special occasion, before any other communities get to try it. To put it here, we'd also have to enable Community Feeds, since the new countdown is part of that. Feeds is an new additional landing page for your community that works like a newsfeed on everything that's currently going on. It shows posts from Discussions (including said countdown), which wiki pages are popular, and it shows which pages have most recently seen significant edits. It's similar to Discussions, but also shows some wiki content, and has your wiki's theming (background image and colors).

Here is a preview of what this will look like:

Note: This is a design preview, and that's why the article samples on the right don't really make sense. That'll be different once this is fully ready. The GoT-related news right under the counter are programmed into the countdown by Fandom staff right now, but will be editable for admins down the road.

Users of the Fandom app who visit this community will also be able to see the new countdown. We're pretty excited about this and hope you'll be, too! Please let me know if you or the other admins have questions or concerns about this! If possible, we'd love to turn this on as soon as it's ready. Mira Laime   (help forum | blog) 00:08, February 14, 2019 (UTC)

I guess we should try?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:45, March 13, 2019 (UTC)


 * Great! It should be a week or two at most until this is ready and we can enable it along with Feeds on this community. It should look pretty great! Mira Laime   (help forum | blog) 17:49, March 14, 2019 (UTC)


 * Feeds is now enabled and the Countdown post is live: https://gameofthrones.fandom.com/f . Let us know what you think! Mira Laime   (help forum | blog) 16:59, March 21, 2019 (UTC)

Update Wiki Dump?
Greetings The Dragon Demands! The maesters and I are working on a little natural language processing errr I mean reviewing modern uses of dragon glass, and it would be great to have an up to date dump of the wiki. Would it be possible for you to send a raven to the Fandom lords and request one? Looks like the last one was made 2018-03-15

[//community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Database_download https://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Database_download]

GogOfRog (talk) 05:32, February 14, 2019 (UTC)


 * I've taken the liberty to do that for you, since I'm already here. A new dumb should be created now. Mira Laime   (help forum | blog) 17:47, February 14, 2019 (UTC)

Influenza
I've got the influenza. Had 103 degrees F fever for 2 days before finally going to doctor and getting antivirals. Been bedridden and delirious for a while. Catching up now.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:44, March 13, 2019 (UTC)

Character references
Hi The Dragon Demands. I'm new here and I've just been reading the wiki pages, correcting grammar and structure issues as I find them. I noticed that on this page, Petyr Baelish is not referred to in a consistent manner after the first reference to him. "Petyr", "Baelish", and "Littlefinger" are all used, sometimes multiple being used in the same sentence. Does the wiki have a policy on how to handle references to characters? I figured it'd be better to write a message rather than making a bunch of changes myself. Thanks!


 * We try to vary it up just so it doesn't sound robotic. We rarely use "Petyr" because few people call him that as a single word.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:44, March 26, 2019 (UTC)

Fandom story about major deaths
Hey, one of our social media team members is working on a big social post about major deaths in Game of Thrones. She's taken the major/recurring character deaths from Seasons 1-7 and categorized them by house. There's a few characters where it's unclear where they were aligned and if they should be included in the piece. Would you be interested in having me connect you with her via email to help with the piece? We'd appreciate your help! - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 18:46, March 24, 2019 (UTC)

Absolutely. I'm TheDragonDemands@hotmail.com --The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:32, March 26, 2019 (UTC)


 * Great! I'm going to send that now. - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 01:28, March 28, 2019 (UTC)

Capitalization
I just made some aliases/nicknames in infoboxes lowercase, such as mother of madness (Cersei) and demon monkey (Tyrion) since these aren't titles and wouldn't logically be capitalized. But afterwards I noticed that it doesn't really look that nice when it's right above/under other names that are usually capitalized. So now I'm kind of unsure whether we should keep non-titular aliases lowercase, or capitalize them for the sake of aesthetics. What do you think? --ProtectorOfTheSevenKingdoms (talk) 21:56, April 5, 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure if nicknames are capitalized unless indicated.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:26, April 15, 2019 (UTC)

Attack on Last Hearth
Hi, can you remove the page "Attack on Last Hearth"? I created it at the same time as Reddyredcp created Fall of Last Hearth, and since his is of higher quality I think mine should be removed. Thanks. --Potsk (talk) 03:40, April 15, 2019 (UTC)


 * I took care of it. Shaneymike (talk) 03:49, April 15, 2019 (UTC)

Winterfell Ep
I'm here I'm here :D What are you doing on the episode page? Are you writing the summary? I can collect some screencaps. <font face="Segoe Script" color="#DF0101">QueenBuffy <font face="Segoe Script"> 17:44, April 15, 2019 (UTC)


 * Anything we can do to help? I'm happy to have some of my team members help with writing content (particularly the episode summary). - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 20:08, April 15, 2019 (UTC)


 * I put all the Winterfell Ep images under their own gallery, so when the time comes, see if any of those will work. If not, I'll get you better ones. <font face="Segoe Script" color="#DF0101">QueenBuffy 35px-Pink_crown.png<font face="Segoe Script"> 23:15, April 15, 2019 (UTC)

Your Notes for Winterfell Ep
I'm sure you've added the fact George Lucas visited the set?! How awesome was that?! I'm also going to add a new image gallery this year... behind the scenes of each episode. You just do what you got to do, and I will add the images while more info is being filled in. You know me and you... we work good together! :D <font face="Segoe Script" color="#DF0101">QueenBuffy <font face="Segoe Script"> 23:58, April 15, 2019 (UTC)

Oh yes, I wanted to screencap the Lucas stuff.

Sorry I got very sick on Monday so I've been out for two days.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:35, April 17, 2019 (UTC)

Image Galleries vs Gallery
Just a heads up as I clean up the galleries. Image galleries such as "Gallery: Jon Snow" needs to be categorized with Image Galleries (and Gallery if you wish) only. Other categorized pages, like "Category:Image of Object" need only "Gallery and Images", not "Image Galleries" Since it isn't a gallery like the "Gallery: Samwell Tarly" pages. https://gameofthrones.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Gallery - You will see ALL categories still here, so this change won't change too much. If you look at "https://gameofthrones.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Image_Galleries" You will now see that only the character and episode Image Galleries should be there. This just organizes it better. I've made the chances to the upload image rules for the Wiki. Let me know if this was too confusing or if you have questions. :) Now then, back to editing. <font face="Segoe Script" color="#DF0101">QueenBuffy <font face="Segoe Script"> 16:01, April 16, 2019 (UTC)

Page protections
Ok I just saw that. I will keep an eye on it and others. I noticed some pages were protected by an admin but the protection didn't go far enough, only to "new members and editors". So I changed it back to admins only. In stead of this back and forth, can you go ahead and tell User:Ser Shield McShield to just go ahead and keep them all protected at Admin level until the season ends... otherwise it will be back and forth back and forth lol. Thanks <font face="Segoe Script" color="#DF0101">QueenBuffy <font face="Segoe Script"> 00:19, April 22, 2019 (UTC)

Summary for ep2
If you wouldn't mind, I wouldn't mind writing up the summary for this upcoming episode. Or, at the very least get it started tonight. :) Thoughts?(Just the summary, not the notes lol That's ALL you lol) <font face="Segoe Script" color="#DF0101">QueenBuffy <font face="Segoe Script"> 01:00, April 22, 2019 (UTC)
 * Also, I'm going to email you. <font face="Segoe Script" color="#DF0101">QueenBuffy 35px-Pink_crown.png<font face="Segoe Script"> 02:32, April 22, 2019 (UTC)

Updating Jon Snow's infobox
Hi The Dragon Demands,

1) I was asked about updating the infobox in Jon's page - adding the full title (Sixth of His Name, etc.) and the Targaryen heraldy. IMO it is a bit premature, maybe we should wait till Jon's true identity is formally and publicly announced.

What is your decision?

2) The Night's Watch heraldy is still above the infobox, although Jon has long abandoned the Watch. Should it be removed?

Moonracer (talk) 06:55, April 22, 2019 (UTC)


 * I definitely agree with Moonracer about holding off on adding titles and the Targaryen heraldry until Jon's true identity is revealed to the other characters, if it is. As for the Night's Watch heraldry, yeah, I think it might be time to take that off too. But I'll defer to your decision. Shaneymike (talk) 09:28, April 22, 2019 (UTC)


 * It should indefinitely stay Jon Snow for a long time. At least until we know more by the end of the series. I mean, we've always known him only as Jon Snow. <font face="Segoe Script" color="#DF0101">QueenBuffy 35px-Pink_crown.png<font face="Segoe Script"> 06:12, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

Infobox changes
Who is a good admin/bureau here who knows infoboxes? Since the show is ending, I wanted to maybe make a sandbox and play around with an image of each character per season and have that season tab number at the top of the infobox. I have pics ready for Cersei 1-8 and Dany 1-8, just to see what it would look like. What do you think? I guess it wouldn't hurt to see what it would look like, so do you know who would know how to do something like that? Thanks! :) <font face="Segoe Script" color="#DF0101">QueenBuffy <font face="Segoe Script"> 06:11, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

Tabbers above infoboxes
Let me know what you think. I've done it here in my sandbox: SANDBOX INFOBOX TAB IDEA. Thanks! <font face="Segoe Script" color="#DF0101">QueenBuffy <font face="Segoe Script"> 15:14, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

I'm confused and frightened by anything new....but they look nice!

Pages?
Will you stop locking the pages everytime a new episode drops? How are we suppose to most accurately add facts if you keep locking everything?Jaxterhammer (talk) 02:34, May 6, 2019 (UTC)