User talk:The Dragon Demands/Wiki-Bureaucrat Archive Year 1

C2E2
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Werthead/GAME_OF_THRONES_WIKI_at_C2E2_Chicago

"Wikia will be hosting a panel at C2E2 in Chicago on 26 April. They're flying me in specially for the event (!) and Kristian Nairn will also be part of the panel. "

I wrote up a lot of questions for this when the Wikia Staffers asked us to submit Q&A questions. http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Brian_Linder/Post_Your_Questions_for_Hodor_Actor_Kristian_Nairn http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Gcheung28/Post_Questions_for_Theon/Reek_Actor_Alfie_Allen

I was very excited that Wikia got to set up a panel with cast members like this.

I have been unable to find any major reports or video of the panel.

What was it like? Was any of our submitted Q&A answered?

I don't understand: how was this panel associated with Wikia as a topic?

How did you promote or discuss Game of Thrones Wiki at the panel? What did the cast have to say about it? (we always hope they read our stuff)

You didn't give a report on how the panel went on the wiki so I was unaware what happened. The Wikia panel was almost four months ago, and the only thing you mentioned about it on Game of Thrones Wiki before was three months ago when you loaded that photo of you with Alfie Allen (Theon Greyjoy): http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/User:Werthead?diff=134785&oldid=28401

I wasn't sure what had happened.

Then the thought occurred to check the archives of your WertZone blog, and you did give a brief report there:


 * http://thewertzone.blogspot.com/2014/05/the-american-trip.html
 * "One of the several other hats I wear is the founder and admin of the Game of Thrones Wiki, which has reached a high of 12 million hits per week during this season. Wikia, which runs the whole network, wanted me to join in a panel on the show. Initially it was just going to be myself, Jamie Hari of the Marvel and DC Database Wikis and Alfie 'Theon' Allen, but we were eventually also joined by Kristian Nairn (Hodor) and Natalia Tena (Osha). The actors were fashionably late, which left myself and Jamie to hold down the fort with several hundred fans for the opening minutes.


 * "The panel seemed to be successful. Alfie talked about the process of playing such a damaged character as Theon and Kristian the various ways the directors have got him to act with such restricted dialogue. Natalia talked about the importance of the TV show as a separate entity to the books and the urgent need for male/female nudity parity in the show. I mused on the fan theory that Littlefinger is turning into Batman (the voice) and we threw it out there that Joffrey had faked his own death."

This is sort of brief and I'm not sure from it how much Game of Thrones Wiki was discussed.

Will you have time to do a more detailed writeup of this event during this weekend?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 06:11, August 15, 2014 (UTC)

Adam I asked you about this over a week ago.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:17, August 24, 2014 (UTC)

The panel ended up being rushed due to a lack of firm planning. At one point we were only getting one actor and we only had all three confirmed at the last minute (Alfie in particular seemed uncertain if he was going to do it). We were also told that we were only getting all three actors for the last quarter hour or so, and then we had them for a lot longer. The decision was then made to allow the audience (which was easily 300-400 strong) to ask questions rather than firing questions at them from a long list. The actors didn't stick around for very long afterwards. So it was a bit more of an 'event hosted by Wikia' thing than an event about the Wiki in any real detail. Some fans and readers were in the audience and talked to me about the site afterwards, but we didn't get a chance to discuss the site very much with the actors.

I am also hoping to be able to visit the Wiki more often soon. Six months of both shift work and increased paid writing work in other venues has left me with almost no time whatsoever to work on the Wiki (and you will notice a significant decrease in blog activity as well, and what there has been has been rather brief). This situation looks like easing, at least somewhat, in the near future.--Werthead (talk) 18:42, August 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * Am I still to create the perfect wiki?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:10, August 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * I was invited to attend C2E2/this panel but had to cancel last minute :( I hate that I missed it! 15:56, August 28, 2014 (UTC)

GOT Community App
Hey, Dragon! Wikia is in the process of working on a Game of Thrones Wiki community app and we could really use your help! Would you or the other admins mind helping us curate categories for the GOT Community App? The curation lives on this page and there are instructions on there for adding/removing categories that will appear in the app itself. Let me know if you have any questions! P.S. The page says Game Guides right now but that will change eventually! Grace (profile)•(talk) 21:30, September 5, 2014 (UTC)


 * Sure! Let me know if you have any questions once you've read it. This essentially is going to be a guide for users about Game of Thrones which is why we need the most important categories listed out for people that want to learn about the series through the wikia. Grace (profile)•(talk) 18:26, September 8, 2014 (UTC)

Wonky sigils, part 2
I'm at a loss as to what is causing this... but one possible fix might be to move them above the infobox, as AWoIaF does. We could even create special shield shaped versions for this purpose.--Ser Patrek (talk) 10:02, September 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * Ah, I think I've found the answer: The files size for some of these heraldry images are simply too large, (over 1,000px in some cases) they're overloading the "name" field. Up till now I've just been resizing the wonky ones so they fit again, but now I'm seeing ones that I've already fixed have been displaced again. Obviously we can't just keep shrinking them, as eventually they'll be so small as to be indistinct. I think the solution is to create separate mini versions of the images that can fit in the infobox at their own size, without needing to be scaled down.--Ser Patrek (talk) 13:00, September 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * Ahh, thank you for figuring that out!!! Talk about driving me nuts! 15:07, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

Flags and shields
I'm fixing up the infobox heraldry at the moment, but I had an idea that I wanted to run by you. What if I created special flag icons that are just for articles on locations. Like so.--Ser Patrek (talk) 07:44, September 9, 2014 (UTC)


 * Well those are fun, but we don't have the "official"...tail design? for every house. Most use the foreground color (Baratheon uses black tails, Bolton uses red tails) but some use alternate colors (Starks apparently use a green tail in the TV version? Or something?)...and I'm not even sure what multi-colored ones like the Tullys would use...


 * (shrug) might as well use it for the ones we know like the Boltons and Baratheons, etc.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:21, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

Titancon 2014 World of Ice and Fire reading
Any link to a summary or something like that?--Gonzalo84 (talk) 00:52, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

Starts here: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/116987-titancon-2014-world-reading/page-4

The reading was from the chapter on Aegon III the Dragonbane, which should give some hints at how the Dance of the Dragons ended.

During the first three fourths of the Dance (what TPATQ covers) Winterfell did declare for Rhaenyra, but House Dustin and House Manderly are also singled out. Keep in mind that Robb Stark could rally an army of 20,000 to head south relatively quickly...and this probably isn't all of the able-bodied men; the North is vast and a point is that it takes a while for them to rally all of their soldiers and get put on a war footing. Specifically, during the Targaryen Conquest, consider how long it took Torrhen Stark to assemble his whole army (the war was already over after the Field of Fire). Anyway, while the North did make major contributions to the war...the "Winter Wolves" led by Roderick Dustin who came south numbered only 2,000 men. This is apparently just the standing household men-at-arms they could assemble at short notice - great and professional warriors, but not every able-bodied man who could hold a spear...AND, the Winter Wolves did a LOT of damage to the Greens, vastly out of proportion to their numbers, before the last of them were killed at First Tumbleton. Cregan Stark was probably just a child at the time, because he later fought Aemon the Dragonknight some 30-40 years later, and Aemon always said he was the toughest opponent he ever faced, plus Cregan did not seem very proactive in the Dance but delegated it to commanders like Roderick (he might not have been a "child",

Anyway, Aegon III came to the throne at 11 years old, but it would be five years until he came of legal age, so a regency council was set up to rule until then - with members chose from both the Blacks and the Greens, as neither side truly won the war. Jeyne Arryn was one, the severely mutilated Tyland Lannister was another, etc.

What we found out in this reading is that:


 * Cregan Stark and the rest of the Northern army finally arrived south, but by then the war had ended (Aegon II died through as yet unknown circumstances leaving Aegon III as the only male heir). Again, the North "contributed" to the war - they sent their best hand-picked men south as "the Winter Wolves" - this was the general army of regular, less well trained but far more numerous guys (okay, this is me speculating). At any rate, Cregan and his Northern reinforcements arrive south to find the war is ended - he is not amused, nor are his bannermen, many of them sons or younger brothers of other Northerners who died earlier in the war. To appease Lord Stark, they decided to make him the new Hand of the King and Regent: he declared that he would hold trials and executions. The "trials" and executions all lasted a single day: he knew who he wanted dead so he had all of their heads on spikes in one day. He did at least give them the option to take the black as an alternative to death, and several did leave for the Wall. He was Hand and Regent it seems for a single day; the day after the executions, satisfied, he began the return journey home. Afterwards they came up with the idea to make a "Regency council" composed of seven members, chosen from both the surviving Blacks and surviving Greens.
 * Most of Cregan's army, however, stayed behind: again, many were younger second sons who were too young at the start of the war, but many still had surviving older brothers/fathers. Some swore themselves to southron lords, others became sellswords, but many became bandits - which was already a serious problem due to the breakdown in public order caused by the Dance itself.
 * Once Aegon III actually did come of legal age, the regency council transferred power back to him peacefully and without incident.

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:21, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

Programming Question
Hello, TDD!

I wanted to let you know that I sent you an email this evening with some general questions about *potential* future programming plans here on the GOT community. Would love to hear your thoughts when you have a moment to reply. Thanks, ser!

Brian 02:54, September 18, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yup, I e-mailed back.  I have school tomorrow.  And a big family event Saturday.  Afterwards college is on two week break due to Jewish holidays.  I've been in standby mode the past two weeks because of the start of the new semester.  Plan on launching into numerous major projects within the next few days once I get into the break, please check back frequently.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 03:17, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

NYCC
Hi, TDD! I wanted to let you know that I just sent you an email about NYCC. Please take a look and respond by the end of the day today if possible. Thanks, ser!



Brian 21:16, September 25, 2014 (UTC)




 * Okay I sent a response e-mail.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:18, September 26, 2014 (UTC)

Plagiarism
Hi, TDD.

Saw your note. I'm forwarding that page to the appropriate parties here. Thanks!!

Brian 01:51, September 27, 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you, ser.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 03:29, September 27, 2014 (UTC)

Faith of the Seven brand
I've created a Seven-Pointed Star brand for the Faith Militant article, and a mini version for relevant character articles. Would you mind adding it to the High Sparrow article?--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 10:06, September 28, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, and though I'm sure you've already seen the WotW posts with the photos of the Faith Militant there's was a suggestion in the comments that Loras would be taking on some sort of Lancel-like role. I mean, he was dressed in all black, which he's never done before...--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 10:15, September 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * I think those are just Loras's bedclothes, or his undergarments; i.e. he just took his armor off, or his formal tunic off. I see no...specific reason to suspect major changes.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:44, September 28, 2014 (UTC)

...Wait, I'm not sure where to put it in the High Sparrow article. The regular "High Septon" or "Mordane" articles don't use the normal Faith of the Seven sigil anymore.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:59, September 28, 2014 (UTC)

Oh shit, It's worse than that. A new video of filming in Croatia shows Loras being restrained and dragged away by the Sparrows! Looks like he's being arrested for "sword swallowing". . As for the brand, I think it should be okay in Faith Militant character infoboxes as they do wear the scar/brand as outward display of affiliation. Just like heraldry, but more gruesome.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 20:10, September 28, 2014 (UTC)

.......(long pause).....oh....no......

(Jaw hanging open for a minute)

Uh...I'm hoping this isn't a major "thing" and is just an "incident" of "Faith Militant toughs rough up homosexuals at Littlefinger's brothel"....but then the regular City Watch steps in and saves him (possibly part of the same scene I hope for, since "Kissed by Fire"; Loras is in bed with Olyvar but looking annoyed, then he says he's realized he's just "drowning his sorrows" and will never love after Renly, so he wants to join the Kingsguard....then Faith Militant toughs burst in and drag him into the street...then hopefully he gets rescued and joins the Kingsguard.

Crud. This might turn out to actually be a good way to give Loras more to do...IF it has no long-term side-effects. We've never really seen, say...a Septon's sermon preaching that homosexuality is a sin, and Loras looking upset about it (which he probably did at some point in his life). So we get to see Loras facing some real discrimination, fine. So long as it has no lasting effects that drastically alter his long-term storyline.

Oh god.

Oh, you reminded me: "during the Andal Invasion, with the zeal of their new faith, the Andals would carve Seven-pointed stars into their flesh" -- that must be what the TV show is taking its cue from. Good book reference, actually. But I can't tell if they are brands or carved.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:16, September 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * If Loras is executed... we riot! This is a serious concern because (although we don't know what GRRM has planned for the character) it seems like he's just waiting to die on Dragonstone at the moment. I don't doubt that the seige will be cut entirely. TV-first fans don't care that Dragonstone needs to be retaken, and I can't see D&D spending time and money on a non-essential battle scene... full of expensive CGI and stunwork... not a chance! Much easier to just say that Stannis took his entire garrison North with him, and the Island is now abandoned, and then have Cersei weaken the Tyrells by having Loras arrested by the High Sparrow. We know he's having another scene with Olyvar next seasons, so presumably the arrest immediately follows this. I have no hope for Olyvar... he'll probably be killed on the spot, with Loras, as a high-born taken to the Sept of Baelor to be made an example of. Damn them!--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner Ser Patrek mini shield.png 11:10, September 29, 2014 (UTC)


 * Confirmed: The Sparrows invade Littlefinger's brothel. .--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner Ser Patrek mini shield.png 15:20, September 29, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Please Read
I've passed your message along to the appropriate people. Thanks for letting me know! Grace (profile)•(talk) 16:42, September 29, 2014 (UTC)

Because I can.
So I'm going to get on your nerves with this, but I don't care...so BAH! But can I pleaseeeee, (or can you) archive your talk page. Man, it takes awhile to scroll through 200+ messages. ;) 22:07, September 29, 2014 (UTC)


 * Entirely my fault. Yes, the "cluttered desk" I've got on here. I'll get right on it.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:41, September 29, 2014 (UTC)


 * Woo hoo! Not sure why that peeves me! lol 23:12, September 29, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Vote of No Confidence
Hey Dragon, sorry to hear that this is happening. I've passed your message on to the appropriate people. Grace (profile)•(talk) 21:10, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Vote of No Confidence in Adam Whitehead (Werthead)
Hi The Dragon Demands. We will not be removing Adam as a panelist. He has our full support as a representative both of Wikia and Game of Thrones Wiki, and he has been very successful at that in past appearances. We are looking forward to seeing him again in New York and continuing to work with him.

If the community feels Adam shouldn't be an administrator anymore, then the community can hold a vte on that. There is a clear and established community-based process for admin removal. Wikia Staff does not get involved in that, because it is a local decision.

Finally, and most importantly, we consider your comment about asking convention security to "forcibly remove" Adam from the panel to be a threat. We have therefore contacted the convention organizers and are revoking your pass to the event. You will not be in attendance at the panel, and you will not be given a pass to enter the convention from Wikia. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 21:44, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

email
Check email please. 15:41, October 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * Message received and replied. I agree fully.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:50, October 10, 2014 (UTC)

Vote of no confidence on Chancellor Valorum... I mean Werthead
My vote is in. I'm sorry it took me this long to answer. Been kinda busy these past weeks with my classes.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 02:44, October 11, 2014 (UTC)

The vote is in. I love democracy. It was with the greatest reluctance that I initiated this motion.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:46, October 11, 2014 (UTC)

New Series. Have you seen it?
Hey. I was going to ask, have you seen that new Netflix/BBC series "Peaky Blinders" yet?! AWESOME series!!! 04:14, October 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * Ah, I'm pretty busy with other stuff now. I don't think their gang will cause too much trouble - until they detonate a tactical nuclear warhead, at which point even the Birmingham police, will have to sit up and take notice.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 14:52, October 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * Oh man it's good! It's like the Boardwalk Empire for England, but BETTER I think. I like that it's based loosely on RL people/events too. :) Anyway, it's only 6 episodes. Just try it sometime. 14:58, October 14, 2014 (UTC)

RE: GoT Personality Quiz
Greetings, good sir - may I ask what your picks would be for 6 fan-relatable characters with varying personalities?
 * http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/xraydeltaone/images/b/b2/Siggy4.png @ (profile)•(talk) 18:43, October 15, 2014 (UTC)

Well, I'm not sure...I tried going by D&D alignment, but the characters are so complex this isn't always clear.

"Lawful" is fairly clear:


 * Lawful Good = Eddard Stark
 * Lawful Neutral = Stannis Baratheon
 * Lawful Evil = Tywin Lannister (generally; the Red Wedding verged on Neutral Evil, but he felt it was necessary to swiftly end the war)


 * Neutral Good = Daenerys Targaryen (unlike the Starks, if she thinks you're a "bad" person she won't pardon you as the honorable thing to do - she will crucify you. That's how the Targaryens have always rolled, back to Aegon I: if you're part of the program, he'll be kind to you.  Oppose him, he'll burn you.)
 * Chaotic Good = "the Rebel" - fighting against the rules for a good cause (arguably Robb Stark was this, but I don't think leading a secession movement counts - his own men didn't think of him as a lone rebel). So...arguably Arya Stark.


 * Neutral Evil - not really concerned with the rules, just their own selfish ends: Littlefinger and Cersei.
 * Chaotic Evil - a raving psychopathic maniac, not even beholden to "rules" for himself. On the one hand this makes him dangerous and unpredictable, but on the other hand, makes him too unstable to make reliable long term plans (more a raving beast than "the Overlord").  Joffrey Baratheon and Ramsay Snow.

Now I'm fairly clear on the aforesaid...except for Chaotic Good, that was a bit more grey, there's no "Robin Hood" in this (well, the Brotherhood Without Banners, but they're not as prominent in the show lately). But might as well use Arya.

The next two kind of stumped me:
 * True Neutral and Chaotic Neutral = The Outsider and the Nomad, as they say. True Neutral is concerned purely with his own interests, while the Chaotic Neutral is actively rebelling against any forms of control.

The problem is that the distinction between True Neutral and Chaotic Neutral is kind of subtle. Chaotic Neutral actively revolts against any rules, craving their nomadic freedom; True Neutrals are so concerned on basic survival and avoiding getting involved that they'll put up with rules and structures so long as they don't particularly affect them. Han Solo at the beginning of Star Wars is True Neutral, while Jack Sparrow is Chaotic Neutral (openly stating that he lives as a pirate because being on a ship in the ocean not beholden to any laws is the ultimate freedom).

Tyrion is sort of True Neutral because he's just worried about survival. He doesn't particularly care for rules but also frowns on breaking them, he's altruistic when he can be but also can do some fairly self-serving things (at times he's verging on Neutral Good). Meanwhile, Sandor Clegane is now closest to Chaotic Neutral, focusing purely on his own survival...though arguably that's True Neutral, because he hates rules but usually isn't bothered by them if they don't get in his way. Jaime Lannister, also, kind of True Neutral verging on Chaotic Neutral - he doesn't want to claim the throne, rejects positions of authority, all he wanted in life was to be with the woman he loved - and good or evil, lawful or chaotic, anything that stands in his way he'll (grudgingly) get rid of -- though living through the Mad King's court has made him hate people who are outright evil or chaotic, pushing him back into the True Neutral camp.

This doesn't even cover the whole Margaery-Cersei dichotomy (Cersei is rude and blunt and hates "women", wishing she were born a man, while Margaery tries to use the carrot instead of the stick, and "manipulate" people by giving them things they actually want, and embracing her femininity to seduce people).

That's all I have at the moment. The problem is that many of the characters are so grey and nuanced.

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:35, October 15, 2014 (UTC)

Infobox heraldry
It's happening again. I'm afraid we're going to have to either A: remove the heraldry entirely... or B: remodel our infoboxes so they use the same coding makeup as the ones from AWoIaF. Neither choice is particularly appealing, but I can't see any other option.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 09:19, October 18, 2014 (UTC)

...Crud.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:49, October 18, 2014 (UTC)


 * Those damn things have never worked for me, and I am sick of the wonky banners! lol Have we ever asked Wikia for help in this matter? 23:56, October 18, 2014 (UTC)


 * I sent them a special contact request months ago and never heard anything back. Chist, look at Tommen's and Maegor's! I've had to shrink them down to 10px! You can barely see them... it's not worth it. There may be a simpler solution: moving the sigils above the infoboxes, and using margin code to make them align. That would be a less extreme option than remodelling the actual templates, but I have no idea if it will work. Let me tinker with it, I'll see if I can rig something up.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner Ser Patrek mini shield.png 09:04, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, this is what I've got so far... it's a crude solution, and it will be pretty inconvenient adding it to every page. I don't know what else to suggest.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 10:37, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

...looks like the best that can be done. We've been spending too much time fiddling around with the icons inside the infoboxes, and haven't gotten much further. Thanks.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:43, October 19, 2014 (UTC)


 * Righto. It may be possible to incorporate this coding into a template. Something like this:

{{Heraldry Left shield = Kingsguard
 * Right shield=Lannister

--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 16:53, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Rollback editor
Hey TDD. Just a quick thing I wanted to run by you. User:Lorisa214 is someone I have worked with for awhile, and I know her as admin on a couple of other Wiki's. She was requesting "Rollback" rights, and I don't have a problem with it, but I wanted to pass it by you and get your thoughts. We could maybe do a 30 day probationary period and if all goes OK, just leave her with the rights. Thoughts? 23:55, October 18, 2014 (UTC)


 * 1 - Yes. 2 - While inappropriate now, if/when Bureaucrat vote succeeds, we need to start listing/discussing new Admins to promote, 3 - Lorisa214 proved to be a reliable editor in Season 3 - though understandably she wasn't really around much in Season 4, due to running Reign Wiki, 4 - IF she is willing to put in the time commitment, she could be an Admin candidate, 5 - I would openly pursue an affirmative action policy to make as many female Admins as we can, to try to balance things out (to be honest the only other prominent potential female candidate is RachelP...also from Australia). Well we'll discuss this more later. Specifically what is the extent/function of Rollback rights?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:00, October 19, 2014 (UTC)


 * It just allows them to instantly undo changes to an article with a single click.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner Ser Patrek mini shield.png 09:04, October 19, 2014 (UTC)


 * Oh okay. Does that mean Rollbacks on protected pages too? (Though if it's only a rollback, even that can't drastically change too much that we can't just restore later).--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:44, October 19, 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't think they can edit articles that are protected to "admin only", no.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner Ser Patrek mini shield.png 16:53, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I just look at the Rollback feature as something for trusted editors to use. It makes editing/undoing things quicker and simpler. Any word on when our bureau rights come into effect? What is the latest with that? 19:01, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Oh fine, then, give Rollback rights to any trusted editors (It's like an extension of "Undo" I see).

As for Bureaucrat rights...they said we had to hold a vote, so I started the vote. Then, to make sure it was legit, I sent Talk messages to all users with over 100 edits (by going down a list) as you may have seen last week. Not necessarily everyone, but I made sure to message a couple of dozen people, accounting for most anyone with a stake in things.

...I do not know how long the vote needs to last, exactly, but I think "One Week" sounds standard. Which would be around midnight tomorrow night. So my basic plan was to wait another...9 plus 24 = 33 hours or so, until after midnight Monday, and only then try to contact Wikia Staff again and point out "We've had the vote open for a week, that seems to be standard voting time, I think the vote is finished unless you insist otherwise" etc.

Yeah, so tomorrow night at midnight was when I was going to bring up the issue.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:14, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Bracket Tournament
Here's another one for you -

I'm working on a list of 32 characters - who are not deceased as of the Season 4 finale - for the bracket tournament. Having trouble rounding out the 32, they don't so much need to be plausible as having a shot at the iron throne, but as having fans who would wish they could sit upon it. Also, this isn't necessarily a literal "fight" for the throne, but more like who's most likely to "fight, scheme, or claw" their way to it. This is ignoring such things as the fact that members of the knights watch *should* be ruled out, since obviously there are those who would vote for Jon & even Sam. However, characters like Gilly or Missandei for instance... probably don't belong on the list as it's too far of a stretch. Therein lies my problem, once all the obvious & main characters are on the list, I'm having trouble coming up with enough to make the full 32. Since you are far more familiar with the secondary characters than I am, can you help me finish (and update, feel free to nix anyone you see fit) this list?

Here's who I have so far, we just need an even 32:

Thank you in advance, good sir!
 * http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/xraydeltaone/images/b/b2/Siggy4.png @ (profile)•(talk) 01:17, October 21, 2014 (UTC)

Well, because I'm all about being thorough, the 32 I'd list based on "plausibility" include:

Daenerys, Stannis, Shireen, Gendry, Tommen, Myrcella.

Myrcella's cool, but she only really comes to the fore in later books - matching when she returns in Season 5. Martin planned these books out in advance: Tommen, Myrcella, and Rickon Stark were nobodies in Season 1, but he knew the story would stretch on for years and that they'd grow into major figures later. Basically...out of Tywin's three children, it was Tyrion who inherited his extreme intellect. Similarly, in the next Lannister generation...Myrcella inherited all of the smarts. She's basically Tyrion's intellect and respect for the downtrodden (from being abused by Joffrey for years), but with the looks of a young teenaged Cersei. Characters in Dorne remark on how she's smarter than most adults they know, and are baffled that Cersei all but ignored the one of her children best suited to be a monarch (the irony being that Cersei is angry that her own father Tywin ignored her to focus on Jaime...then she did the exact same thing to her own children, focusing on Joffrey to the exclusion of her other two children. Reap as you sow, really.

But that's just rival claimants and stuff. Broadening the term we get "sit on the Iron Throne" in the generic sense of "controls the throne", which goes on to include Littlefinger, Varys, Olenna and Margaery Tyrell.

So there's 11 right there. I'd say "Cersei" but she's kind of ruling through Tommen right now but...screw it, put in Cersei: a question of "will Tommen ever overcome Cersei's domination?". That gives us 12.

Jaime refused the throne numerous times, he doesn't even want to be Hand of the King. Should put Tyrion in though...he's a "faction" unto himself now, but without saying much, he may have fled for now but his idea is to side with Cersei's enemies because it will be easier to take down the Lannisters if they have a rival Lannister heir to put in charge of Casterly Rock in her place. Bronn, of course, I say with all sincerity, deserves a spot on the list: he's gone from wandering mercenary to a member of the minor nobility; now he just has to get rid of his wife's older sister and he'll be Lord of Stokeworth. At the rate he's going...so that gives us 14.

Sansa Stark is slowly but surely turning into her own "faction" trying to dominate the realm - for the moment by siding with Littlefinger, but she's starting to "play the game" of politics in the Vale. 15.

I would insist on putting Arianne Martell on the list for...reasons. Not that she's been cast yet, but of the Dornish characters angling for the throne...bringing us to the halfway point, at 16.

...I would put the Boltons/Freys on, because in the books...well, Lady Ryswell remarks on the Boltons and Freys taking part in the Red Wedding, and why someone as smart as Roose would think he could get away with something like that - they had Lannister backing. Similarly, Cersei and the Lannisters are now trying to distance themselves from their erstwhile Frey/Bolton allies, because they're the ones that literally got blood on their hands. So they want to blame the Freys and Boltons for being the ones who broke guest right....but Lady Ryswell says that she thinks Roose's plan all along was to turn it around and blame the Red Wedding on the Lannisters, accurately pointing out that it was the Lannisters who "gave the orders" to do it...and somehow Roose intends to manipulate this and turn it around to declare Northern independence yet again...just under Bolton kings. Meanwhile, Ramsay's a psychopath, but he's Roose's only living son, and Roose privately admits that Ramsay will kill any new children he fathers with Fat Walda rather than see a rival heir -- and there's little Roose can or will do to stop him, because he feels that "child heirs are the death of Great Houses" -- which is becoming very apparent with the young boy-king Tommen -- so he's settling for the lesser of two evils, and grooming Ramsay as his heir as best he can...to the North certainly, to a Bolton-ruled kingdom of the North? Possibly.

Bringing us up to 18.

I don't think Mance is a good choice because he's kind of beaten at this point, same with Tormund. Similarly, Jorah's an outcast. Daario doesn't make much more sense...unless you mean in the sense that he'd be Daenerys's consort?... Gregor Clegane doesn't make much sense, he's kind of unconscious now and not really ruling before that.

Davos and Melisandre kind of make sense in the meaning of "who will functionally rule through Stannis?" (like the angel and demon on his shoulders). Bringing us to 20.

I suppose you could put Tycho Nestoris, in the sense of "whoever the Iron Bank of Braavos wants, the realm is bankrupt, Tycho can pretty much choose kings at this point"

Bran has kind of removed himself from the equation at this point...I'd put Rickon in his place because they sort of obviously set up that Rickon is "the surviving male Stark heir" now that Bran is gone.

...getting ahead of ourselves, but if we count Season 5 stuff...the High Sparrow. Readers will know what we mean. 23.

...frankly you can keep Jon Snow on the list, due to the whole L+R=J...thing...

Major points:

Really need to include Shireen and Myrcella. Myrcella is huge in Season 5.

...include Arianne Martell.

If you include Theon, you need to include Yara Greyjoy. Now that Theon is given up for dead, there's this subplot that the ironborn are jockeying for position to be Balon's heir; some say Yara should be Queen of the Iron Islands after Balon, other traditionalists say a woman shouldn't rule and want to make one of Balon's younger brothers king.

If you include Ramsay Bolton you should really include Roose Bolton too.

...you didn't include Olenna or Margaery Tyrell. They're very, very important.

Your list has 25 and you needed 7 more:


 * Shireen Baratheon
 * Myrcella Baratheon
 * Margaery Tyrell
 * Olenna Tyrell
 * Yara Greyjoy
 * Roose Bolton
 * Arianne Martell
 * Tycho Nestoris
 * Rickon Stark

Probably shouldn't include Mance, Tormund, and Gregor.

...I don't know, substitute with "the High Sparrow", "Walder Frey", and "White Walker leader" (from "Oathkeeper")

That's the best I've got for now.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:46, October 21, 2014 (UTC)

Status
Thanks for letting me know. I will hopefully be able to contribute a little but won't expect to reach my previous levels of activity again.--Opark 77 (talk) 18:54, October 24, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes, ser. I hope to see you then.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:57, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

Your Questions
Hello! Yes I've read the books, but not all of them. I think the first 3, I can't remember if I started on the fourth or not. I skipped a couple chapters, like what's going on with the two younger Stark kids b/c I don't like them. I started reading after the show aired. So basically i'm still working on finishing. (I'm also reading the last book of Eragon, & it's like 1,000 pages) I'm still debating if I'm going to read ahead. I just want to know whats going to happen to Danny! B/c I love her the most! (& Jon better not be related to her, b/c though they've never met, I want them to be a couple! b/c Jon's comfortable around strong women and they both just want to be loved) Really, I'm nervous about who's going to die is what I'm getting at. Those two cannot. Side not about Jaime and Brienne, I want them to be a couple?? But Brienne's too good for J b/c he's hooking up w his sis. As a twin, it makes me want to vomit.

Also, I WAS is Oz, but I'm in Canada at Uni. in Ontario? Are you an Auzzy??? --~ Lorisa! (talk) 10:17, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Do You watch Reign? It's the EFFING best!

Away
Just wanted to let you know, that my internet service is gone for awhile. I will check on her sporadically, but unfortunately you won't see too much from me until I get service. 21:34, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Census Data reply
Greetings my Lord,

I am currently reading the books. I started reading them after the latest season, as I needed to quench my GoT thirst. I am still trying to finish, and am reading at my own pace (as in not trying to sync it with the show). I've finished the first book and am at the beginning of the second. I am a male. I hail from the lands of the Niagara region, Ontario, Canada.

​Iron Bank (talk) 02:49, October 26, 2014 (UTC)

On the Top Bar menu:
I'm a huge fan of the new menu. The only suggestion I have for it is maybe changing "Boltons/Freys" to "Bolton/Frey"? The rest of the houses are all singular (Stark, Lannister, etc.) and it just seems a little awkward to have "Boltons/Freys" be different.--Iron Bank (talk) 16:01, October 26, 2014 (UTC)


 * Oh, yeah.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 05:59, October 26, 2014 (UTC)

Promotion to bureaucrats
Is it done already?--Gonzalo84 (talk) 13:32, October 26, 2014 (UTC)

​Census Data Answers
Hello!

Currently, I am enjoying the TV show very much and I do not really have a desire to read the books. I may change my mind in the future, but for now I am simply enjoying the show. As my profile states, I am male. I am originally from and currently live in the state of New Jersey. Since I am on the east coast, I watch new episodes of Game of Thrones when they air at 9:00 PM.

HurricaneHero93 (talk) 13:41, October 26, 2014 (UTC)

Featured Video
I see your point, of course, but it was requested of me, and inquiring allowed me check it off my list so-to-speak. As for the other video, that's a great choice in my eyes.
 * http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/xraydeltaone/images/b/b2/Siggy4.png @ (profile)•(talk) 21:02, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks a bunch.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:30, October 30, 2014 (UTC)

​More Census Data Answers
Hi TDD,

To answer your census data questions:


 * I haven't read the books, but I will do so after the show has finished. I've held off reading them as I'd like to enjoy the show on its own terms without worrying about differences to the source text, as I tend to get more annoyed than I should by such differences. I can enjoy the whole thing (or at least as far as GRRM has got when the show finishes) all over again by reading the books.
 * I am male.
 * I live in the south-east of England, so the show airs a day after it does in the States. I record the show as I can't always see it on the day of transmission, but I usually make sure I see it as soon as possible.

Hope this is useful.

Esnifador (talk) 19:49, November 1, 2014 (UTC)

Heraldry template
Thanks to Wikia Star UltimateSupreme, we now have a fully functional heraldry template! He's asking if he can use a bot to help distribute the template across the wiki, which would save us loads of time doing it manually. I thought I better ask you first if it would be okay?--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 12:29, November 2, 2014 (UTC)


 * Oh, that is good news. Yeah, sounds great.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:42, November 2, 2014 (UTC)

Infobox designs
Hey TDD. Ser Patrek and I were having a discussion about the design of infoboxes on the wiki. We think it would be nice to have infoboxes (automatically) change their color based on the allegiance. Till now, I have created an example for the lannisters. What do you think?--~Ultimate Supreme  06:26, November 6, 2014 (UTC)

...Well that looks great for Tyrion, but not every character has a House affiliation...and some Houses have colors which might not show up well against our backgrounds. Really great for Tyrion and the Lannisters, though. Do you have ideas for what to use for other character groups?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:06, November 7, 2014 (UTC)

Added examples for starks and baratheon as well. Yeah, offcourse there will be a default color scheme for all those (and for episode and other infoboxes). I also changed the font of the page title to a Game Of Thrones style. As usual you have to clear cache to see all those changes--~Ultimate Supreme  09:38, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

Photo issue
I was having some problems adding a photo yesterday to a character's gallery, Daario Naharis in specific. My problem wasn't to add the photo but to place it side-by-side the other photos. Any help?

Sebahed (talk) 15:47, November 6, 2014 (UTC)Sebahed

Thanks for the help man! I appreciate it!

Sebahed (talk) 20:19, November 7, 2014 (UTC)Sebahed

Census data reply
Hi TDD,

I had the first 3 books some years before the series started, but watched the first couple of seasons with only vague book memories. I have now read them all. I'm from New South Wales, Australia. Rachel P  08:01, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

Checking in
Just checking in. How are things going around here? 20:24, November 10, 2014 (UTC)

Not much in terms of "news". I made Ser Patrek an Admin again and he's been collaborating on an improved infobox template plus finally getting the heraldry on the infoboxes to display well.

Otherwise I'm up against midterms again so things slowed down on my end, though at the same time, i'm finally making headway on my list of Season 4 notes of stuff I meant to add in later. More information soon.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:50, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

Late census data
Not sure if this is too late to help you, but I haven't read the books, and I don't plan on reading them since I made the mistake of reading all the spoilers over at awoiaf. I hail from and am based in the Northeastern US, but I'm usually in Cyprus when new episodes air. Hope that helps! --Ragestorm (talk) 19:03, November 12, 2014 (UTC)


 * What are you doing in Cyprus on a regular basis?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:22, November 12, 2014 (UTC)


 * Archaeology. I work on the remains of an Iron Age city-kingdom most summers. I catch the last few episodes per season over there.--Ragestorm (talk) 22:06, November 15, 2014 (UTC)

Telltale Games
Since the first episode of Game of Thrones: A Telltale Games Series comes out next month, will we be covering stuff from this game or should it have it's own wiki? --Greater Good (talk) 01:51, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

...I think it's like Ascent and should be separate, but to be honest I know absolutely nothing about it so I'm not sure. Er...the new plan I guess is to at least cover that on a single article devoted to the game as a whole, and we'll see what happens.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:10, November 17, 2014 (UTC)


 * They should be kept separate, in my opinion. I've already registered the domain name "gottelltale.wikia.com, so that we can keep the subject under our jurisdiction if we so choose.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner Ser Patrek mini shield.png 06:32, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * Hey folks! Caught this conversation and just wanted to throw in my two cents. HBO and Telltale have both confirmed the consistent events of Telltale's game is show canon, so it may make it more convenient (and less work) to keep it on this wiki. Just an idea. Oh! And we're definitely happy to help you make any adjustments you need to keep it.
 * Best, Jorge (profile)•(talk) 23:34, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

Oh...do you have linked sources for those statements? We should put them in the article. Well, we are covering stuff in "the TV continuity" as a whole including the Blu-ray animated featurettes.

I'll have to keep an eye on this then, though there are other projects I'm getting finished up just now.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:59, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yea, as far I understand the game will follow the events concurrent in the show. Some images were actually leaked today showing off some darn good renditions of the actors in the game too. You can check them out right here. Oh, and here's some info about the game being based 100% on show canon.Jorge (profile)•(talk) 00:16, November 18, 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, those screenshots haven't been confirmed to be legit yet, though I'm sure they probably are. I will be getting the game at some point, but I can't even begin to think how we'd incorporate this information here... we'd have to split all our articles up into separate namespaces: "Show" and "Game", presumably? Trying to put game exclusive information into our existing show articles will be a nightmare. Surely Ascent is set within the show universe as well? Like the Dragon said, we don't include that stuff here; nor do we include material from the 2012 role-play game. I don't agree with this at all, and will definitely want to see an official statement from HBO that says the game is canon.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner Ser Patrek mini shield.png 11:40, November 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * If the game is consistent with the events from the show, I doubt much would have to be done to existing pages. I imagine it would really only be an issue for characters from the show appearing in the games. The Walking Dead wiki incorporates video game characters creating a second page for their game appearances 9http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Hershel_Greene_(Video_Game)). Alternatively a section could be added to the bottom of character pages for events in the game as well, so instead of having to duplicate content readers can just scroll to the bottom and read about the game events easily there. We could also help out if decided to go any of those above routes. I don't think it would be as daunting as you might think, especially because these games tend to be short and released once a month or so. As for Ascent or the RPG, I don't think either are HBO Officially licensed are they? Even if they are, both that and the RPG are not narrative-driven games like Telltale's at least, which is more like an interactive show than a game really. Jorge (profile)•(talk) 18:01, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

Unless a separate wiki is created this wiki is going to get a fair bit lot of attention when this game comes out, in fact it would probably get a fair bit of attention anyway, this isn't like the other games on this wiki, the episodes for it will be released around a month or two apart so the attention won't go away after a couple of weeks. I've seen the kind of attention Walking Dead and Wolf Among Us have received and assuming that this game will be no different you are going to have people coming here to add the kind of depth that Wikipedia wouldn't go into and then use that as a way of discussing the game, on TWD wiki's Forum the Video Game discussion section has more threads and posts than any other section including the comic and TV show sections combined, and yes at least 90% of the time they would be referring to the Telltale one, I'm not saying the attention will be that high for GOT but it could still get a high level of attention. My point is that when this game is released you will have a fair bit of attention to put it mildly and if you haven't figured out how you're going to handle it things may get a little chaotic and that wouldn't be good for anyone. Personally I think Jorge is right and I would like it if we found a way to integrate the game into this wiki rather than splitting off into a second one, regardless I think you will have to at least make pages for the episodes due to the detail level. Finally here's a couple of links to give you an example of what I'm talking about because out of context I may look paranoid or delusional. The First Walking Dead Game: http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Season_1_(Video_Game) The TWD wiki Forum (look at the threads and posts for each section): http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Forum --Gboy4 (talk) 12:16, November 20, 2014 (UTC)

Game of Thrones Quiz
Hey! I reached out to Buffy about this but noticed she hasn't been online recently, so I wanted to check in with you. We have this nice little pencil header for the quiz that we were thinking would be nice to go on the Tyrion, Jaime, Jon, Arya, Daenerys, and Baelish pages since they are the final results on the personality quiz. The idea is that, if people happen upon the article, they'll see the header and click on it to go to the quiz. Let me know if that's alright with you! I've attached the image so you can see how it looks. Is it alright if I add it to the top of the article pages that I listed above? Grace (profile)•(talk) 23:26, November 17, 2014 (UTC

Oh sure, that's okay.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:58, November 17, 2014 (UTC)


 * Great! I'll add them in today :) Grace (profile)•(talk) 16:28, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

Done!
I've given back the Image (Character) category to those images I messed around with yesterday. I'm sorry about this, but we learn from our mistakes, don't we? – The Snow Prince (talk) 16:57, November 21, 2014 (UTC)

You are being very obsequious.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:13, November 22, 2014 (UTC)

Small Council
Shall we hold a small council meeting to discuss how to proceed regarding the Telltale game.?--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 10:47, November 23, 2014 (UTC)

...yeah. I'm not really sure how to proceed. The thought struck me that if they have the time and resources to make an invented TV/video game storyline, they have the time and resources to make webisodes that tell the ironborn subplot which has been happening "off screen". Well, that only really started in book 4 and they didn't do much in book 3, fair enough. But we're reached the absolute last point that they can mention the ironborn subplot before it becomes problematic.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:25, November 23, 2014 (UTC)


 * That's an interesting idea. The fact that actors from the show are voicing their own characters has convinced me that game is indeed canon, so right now I'm leaning towards including it here. It's just not practical to start a companion wiki now at this late stage... the damn thing could be released any day now, so whatever we decide we need to do it quick.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner Ser Patrek mini shield.png 16:53, November 23, 2014 (UTC)


 * Christ, it's happening already!--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner Ser Patrek mini shield.png 21:16, November 23, 2014 (UTC)

Telltale Checklist
Okay, so I've written a House Forrester article, complete with sigil; I've created shield and banner icons for heraldry, and added it to the relevant articles; I've set up a "Forrester navbox", and rolled it out, and am in the middle of cleaning up and completing the character articles that we currently know about. I've also made a new image licensing tag for Telltale and tagged the necessary file pages with it, and also made new categories for video game characters and images. I'm determined to get on top of this situation before the first episode is released... is there anything else you want me to do?--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 13:37, November 24, 2014 (UTC)


 * ...I'm not sure. This is amazing work, thank you for jumping onto this.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:45, November 24, 2014 (UTC)

Navboxes
Hi, All the navboxes are unreadable as the words blend into the background color. Not very user friendly


 * This has been on my to-do list for awhile now... apologies for not getting round to it sooner. I'll have a look tomorrow morning.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner Ser Patrek mini shield.png 11:28, November 29, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I'm painfully aware. Busy with holiday weekend and end of semester projects, will get a better handle on things when real-life stuff gets finished.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:33, November 29, 2014 (UTC)

Checking in
Checking in once again :) How are things going here? 19:43, December 1, 2014 (UTC)

Game of Thrones Programming Promotion
Hey, Dragon! Our bracket tournament is nearing the end and the personality quiz is still getting some traffic, but we were hoping to get more eyes on both those items. With that said, I can't remember if we discussed sending out a Community Message about them? It would be great if we could use that feature to promote one or both of those programs to people that visit this wikia :) Let me know what you think! Grace (profile)•(talk) 21:35, December 2, 2014 (UTC)

Oh sure, that's fine.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:42, December 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Cool, I'll put those out today, thanks :) Grace (profile)•(talk) 16:28, December 4, 2014 (UTC)

Hey Dragon, the character tournament just ended today and I posted the winners blog here! Feel free to replace that slide on the main page with whatever you want, and thanks again for letting us promote on there :) Grace (profile)•(talk) 22:56, December 19, 2014 (UTC)

Back.
Hey Hey, I'll be around a little more now :) Got an internet booster on the way, but for now decided I'll use a hotspot on my cell. Things going good? What is the latest with the game stuff? 17:58, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

Great. Well I'm not sure what's going on with the game, we're at least watching it for info. Westeros.org has an interesting review up discussing canon status.

School semester ends for me on December 18th, then I can finally sit down and get to work on the major projects that need to be done.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:07, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

Hallo,

thanks and you are welcome ^^

Thanks for your infos.

I love the series, the story is very great and I love the charas. I can't wait to see the new season. ^^

Have a nice day.

Fannotation Vid
Just a heads up that I placed the Fannotation video in the Featured Vid module on the main page! Cheers, Peter 19:35, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Game of Thrones Cast List
Hey there,

Thank you for getting back to me. She is this Mary Jordan. She scheduled to be in Season 5 Ep. 10. She is trying to get her online presence out there and is in the middle of getting her IMDb page updated as well as her Wikipedia. If we can help her get started that would be great. Thanks again for your response and help.

Mighty No. 9 (talk) 22:15, December 15, 2014 (UTC)

Lock
You have a new message. FishyTicTacs (talk) 22:55, December 17, 2014 (UTC)

Why isn't the lock on my profile off?FishyTicTacs (talk) 23:15, December 18, 2014 (UTC)

Can you please respond?FishyTicTacs (talk) 23:16, December 18, 2014 (UTC)

I did respond to you, on your Talk page. This is my Talk page.

These "are" messages.

For example when you left a message above saying "You have a new message" -- that's like leaving a letter in a mailbox with only "this is a letter" written on it.

Yes, the lock on your profile was removed a while ago.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:12, December 19, 2014 (UTC)

Infoboxes
I've just been speaking with UltimateSupreme, and it seems like we're ready to start rolling out the new infobox template. If you don't mind, could you please make him a temporary administrator while he does this, as he needs to be able to modify the CSS? This would just be while the work is carried out, which won't be for long.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 14:24, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

Would be nice if you could do it now. I'd be free for a while--<span style="color:#0078ff; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #0054d3, -1px -1px 1px white, -2px -2px 6px #0093f4;">~Ultimate <span style="color:#f00; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #f33, 1px 0px 1px white, 2px 2px 6px #f33, -2px -2px 6px #f33;">Supreme  08:44, December 19, 2014 (UTC)

Bastard to !@#$%^&*
I fixed the word filter. --Gladiatus (talk) 13:13, December 21, 2014 (UTC)

Mary Jordan
Hi TDD, I think the link that Mighty left us is the one for the correct Mary Jordan. I'm not sure how to go about it exactly though. Thoughts? 05:00, December 24, 2014 (UTC)

Wiki Status
There have been several people on this wikia recently who have been "messing it up". Like for example someone gave the title "Bord of winterfell" to Bran. It was on this wikia for many days before i undid it. Like, what's going on with this wikia recently?

Pungrotte (talk) 21:59, January 3, 2015 (UTC)Pungrotte

I meant "Gord of Winterfell". And someone also changed Yara Greyjoys name to Liara Greyjoy, and i had to fix that too.

Pungrotte (talk) 22:03, January 3, 2015 (UTC)​Pungrotte​

Well, I couldn't edit over the Christmas holiday...then in late December my laptop died on me. I am using a borrowed spare at the moment which I only just managed to acquire.

I also need to catch up on major projects at the moment. All of January until the next school semester starts up again in early February, that's "catch up time" to finally get to all of this.

It would be a great help if you could provide me with direct links to such vandalism, I have to get major projects done first before I get to catching up on policing daily editing (since October 7th - there's quite a backlog of checking that needs doing).

Short answer: laptop died, but I'm working on it. And with fall semester done, I now have a one month window to kick things into high gear.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:06, January 3, 2015 (UTC)

Season 5 Locations
Hello. I'd like to ask that how are we going to division (is that a verb?) the locations where things happen in the upcoming season? During season 4, we divisioned them by the exact places where they happen (ala At the Dreadfort), but in previous seasons we had them divisoned by regions (in the Seven Kingdoms). So. are we going to do specific locations (Season 4) or regions (Seasons 1-3 + S04E10)? --Gladiatus (talk) 20:28, January 12, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, on the to-do list is that even I finally realized that making a strict division between "In the Seven Kingdoms", "At and Beyond the Wall", and "Across the Narrow Sea" doesn't make that much sense because the bulk of most storylines happens in the Seven Kingdoms.

So new plan is to do it "At the Eyrie", "In King's Landing", etc.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:35, January 12, 2015 (UTC)

Ah, ok. I was just curios because in The Children article it was different like in the pre-season 4. --Gladiatus (talk) 13:39, January 14, 2015 (UTC)

Fannotation Trailer
Hi DD,

Just a heads up, I am going to replace the featured video on the mainpage with the new episode 2 fannotation trailer. I'm gonna put it there for now, let me know if you have any objections or concerns,

Thank you!

Knakveey (talk) 22:34, January 27, 2015 (UTC)

Affiliates
Hi :) My name is John and I'm an admin on Mistresses Wiki.

I just started watching the show and upon visiting the wikia I saw the affiliates list. I was wondering if you'd be interesting in affiliating my wikia ? :) Zooomi 23:59, January 29, 2015 (UTC)


 * Well okay, but you need to talk to User:QueenBuffy, she's the Admin in charge of Affiliation.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:06, January 30, 2015 (UTC)

Season 5 Trailer
I put a Season 5 trailer vid on the main page because we needed one up...but I know it isn't the HBO one, as it hasn't been uploaded to Youtube yet. I will keep an eye out for it though, and replace it with the HBO one, when it comes available. It looks pretty amazing doesn't it?! I about had a nerdgasm when I heard the trailer put to Heroes by David Bowie!! lol I cannot wait!!!!! 00:33, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

Well they put a good on on their Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152715877082734&set=vb.74133697733&type=2&theater

Eh, we'll switch to the official GameOfThrones Youtube channel's version whenever they get around to updating it.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:36, January 31, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I couldn't figure out how to get the link from the FB page/vid... I think we have to wait til the Youtube version is uploaded. What do you think about it?? I am really liking the idea of Baelish and Sansa. 00:45, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

Episode 2 Mainpage Changes
Hello,

This is Knakveey from Wikia's game team. I wanted to reach out to some of the active admins with a request in regards to the main page for the upcoming Telltale: GoT episode 2 that is due out soon. This is of course a request and you can decline to have any changes made, but you might find some of the suggestions helpful for the wiki.

- Would it be possible to have the latest fannotation trailers highlighted on the mainpage slider? I know it is currently under "featured media", but it would be great to have it in the slider too.

- What are your thoughts about adding a "Telltale" link under the "Episodes" tab in the nav bar? It would allow users to access articles in regards to the game more efficiently.

- We thought it would be nice to add a right rail unit that highlights the most recent game episode/game character/crucial choice, etc. This would be a new unit on the page and it would be designed by our artists here. They would make something that is slick and will not deviate from the overall look of the wiki. This design will also be sent to you before proceeding so we can make sure it's something that you like and are happy with. Alternatively, what about using the existing "Featured Article" section to highlight the current episode?

If you prefer, I can also post this on the forum/small council and repeat what I have mentioned above.

Again, you do not need to do any of these things, but it is something we think can help improve traffic to the page and increase it's reputation for being a great database for all things Game of Thrones.

Thanks for your time,

Knakveey (talk) 22:37, February 2, 2015 (UTC)

Navbox colors
We need to get the color schemes of navboxes fixed.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 18:48, February 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * yes, I'm painfully aware.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:45, February 4, 2015 (UTC)

RE:Fanfic
If you don't want me to make anymore fanfic I won't anymore, you have my word. --Ghost Hunter 85 (talk) 7:33, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

Old Ghiscari
I've finally gotten started working on your request to add citations to Old Ghiscari. Sorry it's taken so long! In some cases I'm having trouble tracking down a public, official source that explicitly calls the word Ghiscari (One particularly vexing case: DJP mentions on dothraki.com that gadbag is an Astapori word, not (normally) used in HV. It's pretty manifestly of Ghiscari origin, but he never actually uses that word!) But if our purpose is merely to prove these aren't random made-up words someone threw on to the wiki, perhaps in some cases citing the language wiki would be sufficient? I am sometimes sloppy in citing my sources there (especially since so many are personal communications with DJP via email or IRC), but I am careful not to allow vocabulary items there unless I have seen their source. What do you think? --Mad Latinist (talk) 20:43, February 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * Referring to the language wiki is fine, though you might want to concentrate your efforts there first. This is "for posterity" and I'm worried about making incorrect citations which will become preserved for years (we don't have the resources to thoroughly check them all).  But do what you can, it is all appreciated.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:30, February 12, 2015 (UTC)

Broken link on protected page
On the table for the Assault on the Dreadfort page the link to the next event Court trial of Tyrion Lannister is broken, it instead says "Court Trial of Tyrion Lannister" and isn't working due to the word "Trial" being capitalized, it's not red but it places you in a blank page that is a candidate of deletion.-Gboy4 (talk) 00:58, February 12, 2015 (UTC)

​Ellaria Sand
...Not sure why people​ are against looking the scene up themselves to see, but: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsgJU4nkf-U Gourgeist (talk) 22:17, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

....There's this longer version of that scene in "Bastards of Westeros": http://youtu.be/HHXWSXgXF6k?t=2m50s

Oh crud. That wasn't in the final edit?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:23, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

Oh that makes sense now. Apologies. Gourgeist (talk) 22:25, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

Well yeah but you're right, it wasn't in the finished episode.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:26, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

I see. I've always been confused in what counts as canon in that regard so I've never messed with it. Gourgeist (talk) 23:46, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

Site merge
Hi, The Dragon Demands!

As the good folks here know, we have an existing Game of Thrones wikia that exists solely to document content for the Telltale game. After discussing it with the lead admin over there, a tentative agreement has been reached that would result in the merging of that site into this one. I am aware that a recent vote was cast here on how to include game information, but am also aware that the existing team here has been focused almost exclusively on the television series.

Here is the proposal - please keep in mind this is not set in stone and is certainly up for debate, as consensus needs to be reached between the two sites before anything moves forward:


 * 1) The team over there wants to focus exclusively on the game when the sites are merged which, of course, frees the team here to focus on the television series.
 * 2) It is preferable that the admin team over there be included in the leadership here; additionally, it would probably be nice to have the lead admin from over there be a bcrat here in order to have the "game team" represented.
 * 3) There should be some indication on the main page and the navigation that articles on the game exist on the wikia
 * 4) There are no plans to change the look or feel of the site here, at least in general; given that the team being merged already has a look in place for their pages, it might be best to take what they've done and tweak it so it fits with the theme of this site - this will potentially be something that would have to be sandboxed and then agreed upon, unless there's no issue (of course)

That pretty much sums things up. I would be doing the heavy lifting of import/export in order to keep all revision histories intact as much as possible. Smaller changes have to be carried over manually, as well as images and templates. The lead admin over there would likely assist with the latter. I would also be involved in every step of the merger from beginning to end and would be on-hand to answer any questions or solve any issues that might arise.

The obvious benefits of this include this team being able to focus solely on what their passion was in the first place, namely the television series. Another team completely related to their passion - the game - means the best of both worlds. Obviously there would be an increase in traffic here with the redirect alone; but then Telltale is planning a Fan Studio endeavor, which would bump traffic up even more (hopefully) and result in both teams of admins able to potentially benefit from any information from the gaming company... and who knows what else related to GoT they might reveal.

Please let me know what you think at your earliest convenience!

Best regards,

Raylan13 ( talk ) 04:27, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

Duncan sigil
I'd never even seen this page in the prop before. Have you? --Ser Patrek, the Paintbrush Knight 15:07, February 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * oh yes, one of the backlogged "Notes and Screencaps from Season 4" on my "to do" list, behind all the other stuff. School started up slowing me down.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:24, February 22, 2015 (UTC)

One season = one year
I'm curious. Has it been confirmed that one season is one year, or is it just wiki thing? Because to me it seems impossible that seasons 2 and 4 lasted more than several months. --Gladiatus (talk) 19:23, February 23, 2015 (UTC)


 * I provided some examples on the Timeline page. These are things I would "discuss" with the writers if we ever contact them (haha).  They don't follow their own rules very closely but do seem to at least follow it in theory.  Specifically, Robert's Rebellion was "17 years ago" in Season 1, but then people start saying it was "18 years ago" in Season 2.  Then in Season 3, we have Talisa remark that the War of the Five Kings began "two years" ago.  So they do vaguely seem to be following this principle.  It doesn't affect that much story-wise, but realistically, the child actors only age at a rate of one year.


 * My bigger concern is establishing a start date. For a long time we didn't know what the "current" year is - if Robert's Rebellion started two years earlier or later in the books.  With some frustration it was eventually settled that they both started in 298 AL -- because prop letters from Season 1 have "298 AL" written on them.  This might just be an oversight on their part...but it's a better solution than just shrugging our shoulders and saying we have no idea.  A temporary/functional solution which has yet to be outright contradicted.


 * Check out the Timeline page for more.

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:29, February 23, 2015 (UTC)

Chat?
Chat room? I have a question. 19:31, February 23, 2015 (UTC)

What to do
I want to help, but finding it hard to jump in. Can you tell me anything that needs to be done? :) 02:29, February 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * We can complete the sigils of character articles using the new templates. Complete the summaries of the new histories & lore articles and make sure the screencaps are in high quality.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 02:45, February 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, sounds great. :) 02:56, February 27, 2015 (UTC)

Is it a spoiler?
Hey, I'd like to know is it a spoiler if we write about Sansa going to Winterfell in Season 5 (Sansa in crypts, Arryn men going to Winterfell) in the differences from books sections? Since you know you can see it in trailers, etc. Personally I am not a fan of this thing (almost bad as no Tysha). --Gladiatus (talk) 20:11, March 9, 2015 (UTC)


 * I will handle it. It's...hard to say, really. Littlefinger says in Sansa's final chapter so far that he intends to use her as a symbol for the Valemen to retake the North from the Boltons (thus officially turning on the Lannisters), but it's based on stuff from the next, unpublished novel. So while it is a "condensation", it's a condensation including FUTURE material....so how the heck can we JUDGE it as a good or bad condensation? I'm trying to not give myself a seizure by considering "maybe this is close enough to how the next book goes".--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:31, March 9, 2015 (UTC)


 * Let's just hope she won't replace Jeyne. Hrr. --Gladiatus (talk) 14:39, March 10, 2015 (UTC)


 * Well my opinion is that ANYTHING revealing what happens in the new season should be classed as a spoiler. Stuff like "Gendry will appear in season 5" is absolutely a spoiler and the same thing goes for the above in my opinion. Some may not agree and it is difficult considering there is written material the tells us almost exactly what's going to happen and in the end it's not my decision but I don't feel this kind of stuff has a place on the Wiki.


 * I don't think we have to write about it straight away, no one is demanding this information immediately, once the episode airs then it's fine, again in my opinion. - Son Of Fire (talk) 14:48, March 10, 2015 (UTC)

I did a preliminary writeup, please continue discussion on Talk page over there: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Differences_between_books_and_TV_series_-_Season_5 --The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:37, March 10, 2015 (UTC)

Apologies
Sorry if my comment on Tyene Sand's talk-page offended you. I have very little time for those two, and am not shy about saying so. "How many eyes does Lord Bloodraven have?" 11:49, March 10, 2015 (UTC)

What? It's nothing, you can voice your opinions.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:39, March 10, 2015 (UTC)

GOT Roleplay Wiki
Would you be interested in joining? Byzantinefire 18:15, March 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * I am sorry but no: ours is a world of fact, not fan-creations. Besides I'm so buried with work on this wiki - what kind of Admin would I be if I was spending a ton of time on a roleplay?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:45, March 11, 2015 (UTC)
 * Well i know plenty of admins who roleplay like Dlrgirl75 she was plenty of roleplay wiki's. Byzantinefire 20:11, March 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * It's more that we're really busy, what with Season 5 almost starting up.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:13, March 11, 2015 (UTC)
 * Well that was one of the reasons for me to create one but can i still ask around? Byzantinefire 21:18, March 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * Well there's no reason not to. I'm of the mentality that "This is going to happen anyway, best that people who know what they're doing start it so we can steer it in a mature direction". I.e. I'm a hardcore book fan but I wanted to help set up a TV show adaptation wiki, to make sure it was guided by book fans instead of people who had no idea what they were doing taking charge. If you, a qualified wiki don't work on a GOT Roleplaying wiki, someone unqualified will. --The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:23, March 11, 2015 (UTC)
 * So a blog about the GOT roleplay wiki then? Byzantinefire 21:27, March 11, 2015 (UTC)

What? Yeah, no problem.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:28, March 11, 2015 (UTC)

Olenna and Ellaria
Where was it confirmed that Olenna and Ellaria's actors have been promoted to the main cast? I can't find any source on the wiki, yet it says they're both going to be major in the fifth season. Thanks if you can help! CoyoteDork (talk) 20:31, March 12, 2015 (UTC)

...I don't know. I assume we'll get confirmation eventually.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:34, March 12, 2015 (UTC)

Brazen Beasts or Sons of the Harpy? Or both?
Seems that the guys with horned bronze masks were the sons of the harpy and not the brazen beasts as we originally thought.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 21:38, March 12, 2015 (UTC)

I agree...Westeros.org put out the theory that maybe they're Sons of the Harpy who then STOLE some Brazen Beasts masks, which is plausible but...well, we'll know soon enough.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:45, March 12, 2015 (UTC)

I was thinking that, because the men in the first images of masked men weren't wearing the tv!tokars.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 21:53, March 12, 2015 (UTC)

Flaying
Roose doesn't chide Ramsay for flaying the ironborn. . "How many eyes does Lord Bloodraven have?" 17:46, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

He really doesn't. "The Dragon Demands" must have been remembering that from ADWD, where it did happen. In the show it doesn't, though. I edited back. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 17:50, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

No.

Roose: "Most of the ironborn have fled the North - now more will follow, thanks to you."

He doesn't use the specific word "flaying", but I think it's clear that he's chiding what Ramsay did (and probably more will follow on this note next season).--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:52, March 15, 2015 (UTC)


 * How is that "chiding"? He's clearly congratulating him for driving the Greyjoys out of the North... "How many eyes does Lord Bloodraven have?" 17:54, March 15, 2015 (UTC)


 * He's congratulating that he got a difficult task done, as well as chiding him that the manner in which he did it will result in more Greyjoys coming, when as he said earlier in the season, he wanted to quickly make peace with the Greyjoys to focus on reining in the other Northern Houses to Bolton rule.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:01, March 15, 2015 (UTC)


 * What are you talking about, TDD? He was thanking him for taking Moat Cailin. He also didn't display the flayed men in the Dreadfort as he did in the books. You're mixing up the book with the show here, I'm sorry to say. Roose was only congratulatory in this scene —ArticXiongmao (talk) 17:56, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

1 - How is "more will follow thanks to you" a compliment?

2 - I'm not confusing this with the book scene. I'm aware of the book scene and pointing out how it's hinting at it.

3 - While they aren't displayed in the scene that Roose is talking to Ramsay, yes, remember when the flayed bodies of the Greyjoy men are littered around Moat Cailin and Ramsay brags about it to Reek?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:59, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

They WANT the Ironborn to flee the North. I don't get how you don't understand this. He's saying that now most of the Ironborn have fled the North, and thanks to Ramsay's actions now the rest will follow. How can you possibly understand anything different? —ArticXiongmao (talk) 18:01, March 15, 2015 (UTC)


 * "More will follow" means more will leave! Unless your implying that Roose wants the ironborn in the North, I'm not where your confusion is coming from. "How many eyes does Lord Bloodraven have?" 18:03, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

18:03, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

...Okay now I see what you're saying. You think he meant "more will follow them in fleeing". ...I still think that in context he meant "more will follow and come to the North", though admittedly the line is confusingly worded.

The key point I was focusing on is that he said "most" had already left, so he would have said "the few remaining will follow" or "the rest will follow" if he meant they were leaving, but that "more" implies that they will return in large numbers.

...Now I'm not absolutely certain what they meant by that line.

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:04, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

It's not confusing at all. They're closing the arc for the season. Ramsay is successful in his mission and Roose rewards him for it as he promised ("Take the Moat for the family, and I'll reconsider your position".)  —ArticXiongmao (talk) 18:08, March 15, 2015 (UTC)


 * It couldn't be clearer. The scene is positive affirmation of Ramsay's worthiness to be Roose's heir, culminating in his legitimization. "How many eyes does Lord Bloodraven have?" 18:09, March 15, 2015 (UTC)


 * Exactly. And how does "more will follow" mean more will go back to the North? Who they will follow? The only possible sense of the word is that they will follow those who have fled. In other words, they will flee as well. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 18:10, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

...the writers could have made that line more clear. I still think it might have meant "follow them here" (why not just say "the remainder will follow" instead of "more"?) Well, because it's vague and doesn't specifically mention flaying, yeah it may be better to omit that point for now.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:11, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

You're only one I've seen who interprets it like this. It's a rewarding scene for Ramsay, not a chastising one. Listen to the commentaries, read reviews, I don't know... The point is, it's a clear-cut piece of dialogue "Most have fled —more will follow." I don't see any other reasonable way to interpret it; more of the remaining ironborn will do as most of their brethren already have and flee the North.

I've asked Bryan Cogman, though I find th is a bit stupid. But maybe there's luck! —ArticXiongmao (talk) 18:17, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

Well okay; make the appropriate revisions.

when did you ask Cogman?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:37, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

A long must watch videos and no easy link to newly uploaded images
We should contact wikia and tell them to reduce the amount of "must-watch videos" that show up to the right of articles.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 21:59, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

Those can be intrusive - I saw it earlier today when the "recent changes" were pushed below the videos. However it seems fine now.

We need more control over those given that they're on every page.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:51, March 16, 2015 (UTC)

Bran and abilities chat
Made another reply on my wall, please take a look.

Kiljaedenas (talk) 20:39, March 17, 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I saw that you had been working on the wiki for GOTand was wondering if you'd be interested in creating newsline pages for the actors. Newslines is like a "Wikipedia for news". Our writers add 50-150 word summaries of news (life events, YouTube performances, interviews, crimes etc) about celebrities, authors, companies and products. The summaries are sorted into interactive news timelines called "newslines". You can add news on any topic you like.

Because we share 50% of advertising revenue with our contributors, someone like you could make a lot of money (possibly thousands of dollars/month) for very little time investment on your part. Have a look at the site, and let me know what you think: http://newslines.org/about/

"In the books" for "The Wars to Come"
Since we already got a pretty complete synopsis of the premiere, I'm writing the "In the books" section, which will of course remain off the wiki until the episode airs. I just wanted to get ahead of it, because there are many details which are often only added months later, since scenes often have dialogue and events from many different chapters. For example, Cersei's scenes in this episode are taken from Cersei I (she awakes to discover that Tywin is dead), Cersei II (Tywin's wake, meeting Lancel), Cersei VI (meeting the High Sparrow for the first time) and Cersei VIII (the Maggy flashback is recounted in full first in this chapter, even if it was alluded to earlier.) So, if you're interested to see the work in progress, I'd share it here or in my page. If you want, of course. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 12:06, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

1 - Only go in broad strokes.

2 - Only give episode spoilers on the separate "Differences between books and TV series" page (though this is interlinked).

3 - Obviously, we won't know the full details until the episode actually airs...--The Dragon Demands (talk) 14:13, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the guidance ;) Of course, it will be considered a work in progress until the episode is released. I'm sure many things were missed in these summaries. I've already posted it in my own account's Talk page. What do you think? —ArticXiongmao (talk) 14:34, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

Overall good, though the Jon XI parts seem more based on the TV description than how the books did it (Jon doesn't talk to Stannis atop the Wall).--The Dragon Demands (talk) 14:50, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

I didn't remember that at all either, and it's not specified in the asoiaf wiki, that's how it happens. I looked it up in my e-book, and indeed that's how it is. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 14:59, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

If you can't confirm exact details be vague, i.e. just "Jon talks to Stannis about what to do with Mance and the wildlings."--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:02, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, I confirmed it, don't worry. I looked it up:


 * “The king would speak with you, Jon Snow.”


 * Jon thrust the practice sword into the earth. “Might I be allowed to change? I am in no fit state to stand before a king.”


 * “We shall await you atop the Wall,” said Melisandre. 


 * [...]


 * Melisandre was waiting for him at the base of the Wall. She had sent her queen’s men away. “What does His Grace want of me?” Jon asked her as they entered the cage.


 * “All you have to give, Jon Snow. He is a king.”
 * He shut the door and pulled the bell cord. The winch began to turn. They rose. 


 * [...]


 * They found Stannis Baratheon standing alone at the edge of the Wall, brooding over the field where he had won his battle, and the great green forest beyond.

I also didn't remember Jon having "Mance" shot so he didn't suffer, but it did happen. The only difference being that in the show Jon'll shot him himself —ArticXiongmao (talk) 15:04, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

Userbox
Any clue as to why the Night's Watch userbox on my page has stopped displaying properly?--The White Winged Fury 15:53, March 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * ...that's been happening in a couple of galleries, actually. I've noticed it on the Heraldry and Costumes pages.  Some days, one image will randomly stop displaying properly, but be okay again hours later.  I think it might be server strain or something but I don't really know.


 * ...keep an eye on it and tell us if it's still not displaying properly in a few days.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:55, March 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * Okay, will do. Thanks.--The White Winged Fury 16:02, March 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * It's displaying fine now. Thanks.--The White Winged Fury 14:14, March 22, 2015 (UTC)

laptop issues
im sending this from my mobile, as my laptop has clapped out. i'm trying to get it fixed but wanted you to know that any absence on my part over the next few days/weeks is a result of this. please pass this onto our colleagues, and please bear with me. regards, patrick

--Crud. I've been there before.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:28, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

House Martell's youngest son
In "What is Dead May Never Die", Tyrion describes the as of yet unnamed Trystane as House Martell's youngest son, not Doran Martell's youngest son, as it's claimed in the "In the books" section of Trystane's page, quoting Elio Garcia.


 * "I'm brokering an alliance with House Martell of Dorne. Princess Myrcella will wed their youngest son when she comes of age, ensuring their loyalty and their army should we need it" —Tyrion Lannister to Grand Maester Pycelle.

Why does it matter? There's a big difference. The latter implies Doran himself has other children, which he doesn't have in season five; the former simply means Tyrion will marry Myrcella to the most age-aproproiate male member of the Martell family—that is, House Martell's youngest son. Though I'm sure they weren't planning to cut both Arianne and Quentyn back in Season 2, they worded it very carefully so that, if they did, it never became a continuity issue. And it isn't, thankfully ;) —ArticXiongmao (talk) 19:26, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

...that's just taking exact words to an extreme. The spirit of the statement was obvious.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:29, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

Well, of course. That's why it isn't "technically" a continuity issue. If we're going to accuse them of a continuity mistake, we have to be factual. It was carefully worded, vaguely worded, precisely so that there couldn't be mistakes in the future. Doran's name wasn't even mentioned, let alone Trystane's. It's not just names; Tyrion doesn't even allude to the Prince of Dorne, just the House, the family, and their youngest male member, not specifically Doran's youngest son. That's a fact. It's not taking exact words to the extreme, when their ruling Prince wasn't even referenced. The "spirit" of the statement was only obvious in the meaning we though it had for book readers; but it also fits the current show canon. Fits both perfectly. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 19:31, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

No.

As an Administrator-level policy decision, this line was obviously referring to Doran. Even Westeros.org pointed it out.

Drop the issue. Do not even mention it in articles. It's simply a continuity error.

I also think it is incongruent to be instructed on the meaning of exact words by someone whose primary language isn't English (I think?)--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:44, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

I'm just saying we were reading into it as book readers. Anyway, we'll see how it plays out when season five starts. English is my second language, true... so? Can you bother to explain how that sentence does NOT fit the current canon, instead of throwing ad hominems? For us book readers, the line implied otherwise, but it doesn't contradict the current canon. How is it a contunity issue? Please explain it to me. Still, don't worry, I'm not going to edit anything, that's why I asked you here instead of changing it myself, I knew you may take umbrage. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 19:49, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

Actually the level of English comprehension in this instance is fine - the vague level of interpretation and such. I shouldn't have brought that up it is irrelevant here.

...The writers have been intentionally vague before in Season 2, if their line "Stannis has no sons" is any indication (they made sure to word it so they could later say he has a daughter).

...don't make mention of it unless or until we get a specific quote from the writers themselves, specifically saying "we said "youngest son" in Season 2 to be intentionally vague, because that could be interpreted as "youngest male member" of their family". --The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:52, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

Gotcha. As I said, wasn't going to change anything myself, don't worry ;) —ArticXiongmao (talk) 19:54, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

"Jaqen"
Hey Dragon, I'm curious about something. If the leaked script summary turns out to be correct, Jaqen is back, but he is only back insofar as "Jaqen" was ever there —that is, a different Faceless Man, the Kindly Man (don't know if they'll credit him or call him like that, but anyway), puting on Jaqen's face. If so... does he get his own page, or how that does work? In the books, the faces seemed to implant some memories in the user, so... if this Kindly Jaqen has memories of meeting Arya, do we simply continue writing on Jaqen's page? If he doesn't, is a new page created? What if he's not credited as anything other than Jaqen? I'm a bit confused about what would be done in this case. Have you given any thoughts to this? —ArticXiongmao (talk) 00:15, March 20, 2015 (UTC)

...I don't think they outright implanted memories with each new face, but either way, I doubt the TV version will actually state that to confirm it.

In which case, he's the Kindly Man - who happens to also be played by the same actor. He's not "Jaqen H'ghar". Yes he will be a separate article.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:19, March 20, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! —ArticXiongmao (talk) 00:22, March 20, 2015 (UTC)

Martell family tree
Perhaps its time to expand the tree to mention each of the Sand Snakes.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 02:43, March 24, 2015 (UTC)

I want to, but we have not yet confirmed if TV-Tyene is Ellaria's daughter or not.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 14:04, March 24, 2015 (UTC)

Richard III
I noticed on your userpage that you're a Medieval Historian? I've just been watching the live reburial of King Richard III. I'm not sure f you have access to any UK TV channels over there, but it was broadcast on Chanel 4; maybe you can watch it online? If you can, you definitely should. It was fascinating, as I'm sure you can imagine.--The White Winged Fury 17:34, March 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * I am aware, though Richard III is practically Early Modern.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:43, March 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * True, but I figured it would probably interest you.--The White Winged Fury 17:45, March 26, 2015 (UTC)

In the "characters" category on the top of the wikia, I think you should switch out Grey Worm for Daario Naharis. The reason for that is because Daario is a much more important character to Dany's storyline, and the fact that Daario will be a major character in the fifth season I just thought this would make sence. Let me know what you think.

Sebahed (talk) 21:11, March 26, 2015 (UTC)

Change in the "characters" section
In the "characters" category on the top of the wikia, I think you should switch out Grey Worm for Daario Naharis. The reason for that is because Daario is a much more important character to Dany's storyline, and the fact that Daario will be a major character in the fifth season I just thought this would make sence. Let me know what you think. Sorry for asking twice but forgot headline :/

Sebahed (talk) 21:14, March 26, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah...you see they're physically limited to only ten items in a list.

....I think it's time to remove Jorah, he's kind of a free agent now not affiliated with the Targaryens.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:15, March 26, 2015 (UTC)

TTGOT Family Trees
It's ok. Just felt like doing it really. I'm also getting around to the other houses of the TTGOT since they're not very large.JK1011x (talk) 00:57, March 27, 2015 (UTC)

Yes I noticed half way through doing it so I changed it and did the same for the family trees I made. JK1011x (talk) 13:22, March 28, 2015 (UTC)

Tyene, Ellaria's daughter
In a Spanish TV interview the actress for Tyene confirmed that in the show she's Oberyn's and Ellaria's daughter, if there was any doubt:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=816400455081262

The interview is dubbed-over, but she says: “I play the role of the youngest one, in the show I am Oberyn and Ellaria’s daughter.” We also get our first Dornish dialogue in this video, by the way. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 21:58, March 27, 2015 (UTC)

.......(long pause)

.....7.62 millimeter....full metal jacket.......

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 04:14, March 28, 2015 (UTC)

GoT hits NoLa Jazz
This video has been viral for awhile, but just had to share in case you have missed it. Best cover of the theme to date! Of course, I may be partial ;) lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itn8highTRo 22:46, March 28, 2015 (UTC)

It's okay, I liked that bossa nova one.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:53, March 28, 2015 (UTC)


 * Pfttt. Anything Nawlins' Jazz is best ;) lol 22:53, March 28, 2015 (UTC)

Laptop
I've secured a temporary replacement, which is... shite. I mean actual garbage. It's taken me ten minutes just to load my desktop. Fortunately my Birthday is not too far away, so I might be in luck! Is there anything I need to be caught up on?--Ser Patrek (talk)

Episode Pictures
The pictures for episodes S5E1, S5E2 and S5E3, are they just random pictures from that episode that are going to stay in the real one's place until the actual episode airs? Or are they the pictures we are going to use for them? I am curious and High Sparrow's picture could be better if it'd be picture of High Sparrow himself or Sparrows doing damage to wine barrels. --Gladiatus (talk) 19:51, March 29, 2015 (UTC)

An extra row for the characters box in the main page
Perhaps we could add a new row since some characters seem to will be having a bigger role:

--Gonzalo84 (talk) 03:55, March 31, 2015 (UTC)
 * Ellaria or Trystane, who seemingly will take over the Arianne Martell storyline. Extra points if Ellaria makes the opening credits.
 * Davos or Melisandre. Melisandre will have a big role.
 * Tormund: To have someone on the Free Folk Side. Plus he's part of the opening credits
 * Loras Tyrell: Tyrells will be major players now that Tywin is dead.

Game of Thrones Pop Culture References page
I was thinking that there could be a game of thrones pop culture references list i can name a few shows in which Game of Thrones was referenced like Bob's Burgers, The Simpsons, South Park, Parks and Recreation, Robot Chicken and Family Guy. Byzantinefire (talk) 23:10, April 1, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, Memory Alpha has one of those for Star Trek. I wouldn't be able to put effort into it given how backlogged I am for the Season 5 premiere, but please get started on that.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:23, April 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. Byzantinefire 03:24, April 4, 2015 (UTC)

Episode 507 error
It seems that the synopsis for ep. 507 is the same as ep. 506. This is clearly a mistake. Please fix this mistake ;) cuz the page is blocked for me to edit it.

Pungrotte (talk) 14:12, April 2, 2015 (UTC)

Telltale's Game of Thrones Portal (of sorts)
Hey Dragon Demands!

I wanted to reach out about an idea we were discussing today regarding some of the awesome Telltale Game of Thrones content that has been created so far after three released episodes. Pretty soon the show will start (FINALLY) and a lot of the game content may get loss in the shuffle. We were thinking it might be a good idea to make an article page that spotlights the game content, incorporates a good navigation into article pages for the game, and showcases some of the videos and discussion blogs that have been made as well.

It's just an article page, but I wanted to give you a heads up and see what you thought. Maybe it's something worth linking to on the game page too. We were thinking of calling it a Super Walkthrough (like we did here - http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/Beyond_Earth_Super_Walkthrough), although it would look significantly different.

If you have any feedback, let me know!

Best, Jorge (profile)•(talk) 22:58, April 2, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I'm working on it. I have a dozen or so projects to get through before the premiere - my spring break just started however, so I've got free time between now and then to check things off the "To Do" list in a flurry of work. Check back soon.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:00, April 2, 2015 (UTC)


 * Oh awesome! We'll mock something up on our end and create something for you to work with. That should free up your many, many duties. We'll be in touch! -- Jorge (profile)•(talk) 17:47, April 3, 2015 (UTC)


 * Here's what we got for that portal page btw! Let me know what you think - http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Telltale%27s_Game_of_Thrones_Super_Walkthrough Jorge (profile)•(talk) 22:45, April 13, 2015 (UTC)

This looks nice, I'm at school now I'll figure out how to incorporate it tonight. --The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:35, April 14, 2015 (UTC)
 * Good call on just embedding that portion of the Super Walkthrough on the mainpage. We'll add it below the videos section and change it up a bit to it links more clearly directly to the Super Walkthrough page. Thanks! Jorge (profile)•(talk) 17:30, April 20, 2015 (UTC)

Character Page
I was wondering if on the character page, if instead of having the house members go horizontally, they could go vertically. So, John Snow would stay where he is, but under would bo Sansa ect. The beside him Would be Jamie Lanister and under would be the rest ect ect. --~ Lorisa! (talk) 22:24, April 3, 2015 (UTC)

...which character page?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:25, April 3, 2015 (UTC)

I think she refers to the characters list on the main page.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 07:13, April 4, 2015 (UTC)

Nymeria, wrong link
Nymeria has the wrong link the direwolf family tree. It links to the historical figure, not Arya's direwolf ;)

EDIT. Also, I uploaded a better pic of Shaggydog for the family tree. He's black, and in the current one the background is very dark, so you can't even see him. In this one the background is a green field, so I think it's better. I did something similar for Summer. Could you edit the family tree for this as well? —ArticXiongmao (talk) 11:57, April 4, 2015 (UTC)

The Jaime/Cersei sex scene analysis
I think it should be a subpage of the "Breaker of Chains" article, like Breaker of Chains/Jaime-Cersei sex scene analysis --Gonzalo84 (talk) 18:41, April 7, 2015 (UTC)

Of course. That's what I thought would happen. But what do you think of its content?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:25, April 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * I think the article is okay. I find it a bit too long, but that is to be expected of a controversial matter that includes any points of view. Still I'd try to make it as simple as possible--Gonzalo84 (talk) 19:18, April 8, 2015 (UTC)

Community App Post
Hey DragonDemands,

I know I already thanked you for making that blog post, but I just wanted to say thanks again! It's really nice of you to share it with the community and promote it. Anyway, I know you're busy with Season 5 coming up! Thanks again!

Knakveey (talk) 21:24, April 10, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you.

Always striving for excellence:

1 - I think the menu could be refined a little, I'd have to make up new mobile categories ("Characters" just lists everyone from A to Z, hundreds of characters, could make a short-list category of important ones the mobile audience would be looking for).

2 - A few things don't display properly - episode infobox displays category tags and such - not really a big concern people would ignore it. The family trees however don't display at all -- If we *drew* a family tree for each, like as an image file, could you then, I don't know, load that in place of the family tree wiki code template? I don't know if you can load things onto the mobile version that conflict with the regular version.

3 - I can't easily access the "Recent Changes" list from the mobile app - not that I'd be editing that from a mobile phone, but it's how I check daily activity and stay vigilant for vandalism.

We'll be refining this as we go.

Hey, I'm thanking you guys. I don't know how to build a mobile app.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:29, April 10, 2015 (UTC)

I just noticed that Donnel Waynwood (played by Alisdair Simpson) who appeared in two episodes is not listed in the guest cast section on the season 4 page. The page is locked for editing.--188.126.201.55 12:03, April 11, 2015 (UTC)

Cast member missing from the season 4 page
I just noticed that Donnel Waynwood (played by Alisdair Simpson) who appeared in two episodes is not listed in the guest cast section on the season 4 page. The page is locked for editing.--188.126.201.55 12:04, April 11, 2015 (UTC)

Kingsguard sigil
Just in case this matter wasn't confusing enough already... the Kingsguard sigil that appears in the White Book and on the table carving is actually a third different version! Not sure which you want to use, but here it is anyway.--Ser Patrek (talk) 08:51, April 12, 2015 (UTC)

All cast portals
Tomorrow I think I'm going to go through and work on each image in the cast portal boxes. Some are stretched, some are too small.. some have heads chopped off.. lol.. etc. So tomorrow I may get that project started for each portal. :) Tonight we had a few more people trying to add info from future eps, but we rolled back and warned. Also, I did let one user go ahead and just add which character will be in the next episode (no surprise guests, just ones you'd see like on IMDB, main cast, etc), but he only did it for next Sundays. Just wanted to let you know, so you don't freak if you see it. lol. Anyway, Ser and Gonzalo are on tonight so I am heading off. I will return tomorrow. Oh, I also moved the poll to the very top right corner.. makes it easier for readers to see and participate in :) 06:35, April 13, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I just used placeholder images.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:48, April 16, 2015 (UTC)


 * I worked on it today. I updated most of them and rearranged some to just change it up. :) 02:52, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Leaked episodes
I'd suggest we make some sort of public announcement, declaring a complete zero-tolerance policy for those adding information/images from the leaked episodes: Instant blocks. No warnings.--Ser Patrek (talk) 15:23, April 13, 2015 (UTC)

...That would only publicize that the leaks even exist. I mean that's like putting up a sign saying "DO NOT attempt to resurrect your dead loved ones by burying them in Stephen King's Pet Semetary". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqu0ogtqlQs

I made it a point not to watch them.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:53, April 13, 2015 (UTC)


 * I suggest we DO start protecting pages that get overly vandalized though. I went ahead and protected Greyworms, for only members to edit. 17:24, April 13, 2015 (UTC)

Wait, I realized: let's make generic warnings about "don't post spoilers for episodes that haven't aired yet" - without specifying "some of these already leaked onto torrent sites", and lock down the important pages too. Just a generic warning about "Spoilers" that should help.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:24, April 14, 2015 (UTC)

Maps
Hi DragonDemands,

It's been awhile since we talked about maps. Unfortunately, our product team has taken a break from working on the maps product for now. Like you said... there is no way to do rollback edits. You can view edits on the map and which user made them via Special:Logs and by selecting "Maps" in the tab.

Is there any reason why you need a Wikia staff to upload the maps? It's a fairly easy process and the tutorial can be found here; http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Wikia_Maps

The above tutorial will go over which image sizes/types are best, as well as how to connect map markers to articles.

Please let me know if you need any additional information or help,

Knakveey (talk) 23:23, April 13, 2015 (UTC)

In that case it might be helpful to remove the "Maps" link from the top nav bar so people don't get confused with a preliminary setup.

As for Filming locations, I'll try to make a map by hand using other means.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:22, April 14, 2015 (UTC)

Daario and Dany's relationship
Do you think that Daario and Dany should now be classified as lovers or paramours at this point? Considering what we saw in episode 501, and we know that there will be at least one more "bed scene" between them that we saw in trailer 2 for season five were Dany says; "I am a Queen, not a butcher" and Daario replies "All rulers are either butchers or meat". Well my initial question was that if you think it would be propper to add Daario to Dany's "family section" as a paramour/lover just like Ellaria Sand is listed as Oberyn's paramour or as Ygritte is listed as Jon Snow's lover. What do you think?--Pungrotte (talk) 23:49, April 13, 2015 (UTC)

...I'm going to go with "military advisor/lover".

Might say "paramour" but I think people would mistake it for a specifically Dornish term.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:00, April 14, 2015 (UTC)


 * Per the Ygritte/Loras example he should be added. Yet, I think betrothals (Brandon-Catelyn or Myrcella-Trystane) should be removed.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 01:39, April 14, 2015 (UTC)

Well I think add him in somehow.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:21, April 14, 2015 (UTC)

Night's Watch mutineers/betrayers
Why is the page about the night's watch mutineers titled "The Betrayers"? They are only referred to as the mutineers in the show.--Sebahed (talk) 22:49, April 14, 2015 (UTC)


 * It's a descriptive term. You're taking this too specifically.  --The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:52, April 14, 2015 (UTC)

A "Relationships" section! Just a crazy idea from the top of my mind :P
Just and idea but: I think it would be cool if someone added a "Relationships" section to the character pages simular to The Walking Dead Wikia: http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Rick_Grimes_(TV_Series) (if you scroll down to almost the bottom). Considering Game of Thrones has so unbelievably many characters, this could take an extremely long amount of time but I think this is a very cool and smart idea considering there are so many character interactions in this show. And ofcourse when I say "Relationships" I don't neccesarily mean only romantic relationships. Let me know what you think of this idea! :-) --Sebahed (talk) 22:37, April 17, 2015 (UTC)

There are so many characters that to make a relationships sections for say, Catelyn Stark, would increase the size of each article drastically, so I'd rather not.

Such "relationships" or "personality" information usually goes in the "backgrounds" section.

That said, we did make some attempts to make "romantic relationship" sub-articles in their own right, but we got backlogged. I don't know if you'd like to try those out.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:00, April 17, 2015 (UTC)

Robin
I have protected his page.. just wanted to let you know. 18:46, April 18, 2015 (UTC)

The Jaime/Cersei sex scene article
I think the article is perfect as it is... All there is to do is to make it a subpage of the "Breaker of Chains" article.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 19:21, April 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Looks good. Maybe add some more pictures of the scene, to make it look more like an article and not blog. 19:31, April 18, 2015 (UTC)


 * I have a whole gallery of the scene in there.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:36, April 18, 2015 (UTC)


 * Perhaps a couple of screenshots of writers or Alex Graves or GRRM or Benioff or Weiss being interviewed.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 19:52, April 18, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, yes, that would help break up the wall of text.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:56, April 18, 2015 (UTC)

Fairuse template
I updated the Fairuse template. It can be seen Here. 20:18, April 18, 2015 (UTC)

Affiliate Wikis
Hello! This is Killian Jones, from the Once Upon a Time Wiki. I was wondering why you are no longer displaying the affiliated wikis' wordmarks on your homepage. The OUaT wiki is still displaying your wordmark, so I think it is only fitting that you do the same thing. Anyway, please let me know if you intend on brining the affiliates section back, or if instead I'd rather remove the Game of Thrones Wiki wordmark from our affiliates section. Thank you for your time! <b style="text-shadow: white 0 0 5px;color:#00A7D6;letter-spacing:6px;">KILLIAN</b> <b style="text-shadow: white 0 0 5px;color:#0098c2;letter-spacing:6px;">JONES</b><b style="text-shadow: white 0 0 5px;color:#0098c2;"> ~</b> I hate <b style="text-shadow: white 0 0 5px;color:#0098c2;">you</b>, flying <b style="text-shadow: white 0 0 5px;color:#0098c2;">jellyfish</b>! 02:43, April 19, 2015 (UTC)

...we redesigned our homepage a few weeks ago. You should ask User:QueenBuffy, she handles the Affiliates stuff.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:45, April 19, 2015 (UTC)

Leaked Episodes
Hello Dragon! I'm sure you are aware that the first episodes of season 5 were leaked, is it okay to write the informations from them into the wiki? Or shall we wait till the official release? --Exodianecross (talk) 21:39, April 19, 2015 (UTC)

It is forbidden to post any spoiler information from episodes which have not aired. Do not say anything about them.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:45, April 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * The problem is, they were aired, but not legal it seems! I've watched them, but if you demand it, I won't write informations from them in the articles! --Exodianecross (talk) 22:34, April 19, 2015 (UTC)

On Being an Admin
Greetings Ser,

I'm honored to have been asked to be an Administrator, but I'm currently very busy in life, and as such wouldn't be able to contribute as much as an Administrator should...this inactiveness would undoubtedly provoke the wrath of the Dragon. Although I have to decline to be an Administrator at this time, I'd like to thank you for asking.

Iron Bank (talk) 22:30, April 19, 2015 (UTC)

Regarding Barristan
After seeing so many people claim he dies in the leaked episode 4 and adding his death on thsi wiki, I gave in and went and watched that one scene... no, he doesn't. He just passes out.  DRAEVAN13  01:01, April 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * You know how I keep saying that the smallfolk are idiots?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:03, April 20, 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, he is stabbed three or four times, but he's certainly not confirmed dead yet. Neither is Grey Worm, for that matter. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 01:07, April 20, 2015 (UTC)


 * (scoff) Barristan had worse at the Battle of the Trident. You think some letter-opener is going to take him out?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:09, April 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * I thought they'd meant something conclusive, like decapitation or being incinerated/eaten by Drogon, but a few slashes on the leg and a stab on the shoulder is all we get. He might be dead, you never know, but I highly doubt it.  DRAEVAN13

01:11, April 20, 2015 (UTC)

Half of me thinks they're going to fake his death.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:15, May 7, 2015 (UTC)

The Kindly Man is the Old Man
According to the The Watchers on the Wall tumblr, the Kindly Man in the form of the black old man played by Cedric Henderson is credited in the promotional material as "The Old Man."ArticXiongmao (talk) 03:12, April 20, 2015 (UTC)

Jaqen H'ghar in Season 5?
Please go the article's talk page and discuss.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 20:14, April 20, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you writers (again)
From the same creators of "Myrcella will wed the YOUNGEST Martell son" followed by "only Trystane" now we have, "Falyse will inherit Stokeworth when her FATHER dies" followed by "MOTHER Stokeworth". So, do we save face and imagine the Lord Stokeworth mentioned by Tyrion died and passed on Stokeworth to his wife Lady Tanda?--Gonzalo84 (talk) 20:28, April 20, 2015 (UTC)

I assumed that Bronn was just making an assumption. It didn't even ocurr to me that it was a continuity issue. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 20:32, April 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * .Actually, its Tyrion the one who mentions Falyse's father.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 21:16, April 20, 2015 (UTC)

Let's discuss this on the House Stokeworth Talk page, but I don't see it as that big of a problem: why invent a difference, when we can just leave a note saying we assume that Tyrion either misspoke (more focused on other problems) or doesn't know the Stokeworths very well in the TV version, and assumed her father was still alive?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:56, April 20, 2015 (UTC)

High Sparrow Image
The picture for episode 3, is it just a placeholder/stand-in picture, or will we keep it as the picture to represent the episode. Or will we change it to a picture of the actual High Sparrow? --Gladiatus (talk) 17:56, April 22, 2015 (UTC)


 * Until the episode airs it's just a placeholder.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:58, April 22, 2015 (UTC)

Significantly changed characters
Now we should include several characters: Jaime, Ellaria, Trystane, Tyene--Gonzalo84 (talk) 23:32, April 25, 2015 (UTC)

...I don't know about Jaime. I made the list on an ad hoc basis for "cited quotes from Martin saying this isn't even loosely "in the spirit" of what that character would do in the novels. Sansa's storyline will also be a major issue.

...Ellaria at least, she's not acting like how book-Ellaria would in the same situation. Crud. I knew this day would come.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:35, April 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * I included Jaime because this version isn't drawing away from Cersei. And besides, book Jaime wants Cersei to announce they are together and use the Targaryen precedent--Gonzalo84 (talk) 00:01, April 26, 2015 (UTC)

House Mormont
Hello Dragon! It's necessary to include Lyanna Mormont, Maege's daughter in the familytree of House Mormont. She exists in the TV series like in the bookseries, responded to Stannis' call that they won't recognize him, only a Stark! --Exodianecross (talk) 23:53, April 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * I know I'm getting to it in a few minutes, I was updating the front page design first.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:57, April 25, 2015 (UTC)

New front page design
Just wanted to let you know one of the banners is too long.. at least, on my end. Here is a screencap- here. Actually I just realized the Featured Media banner and the one under it are too long as well. 19:10, April 26, 2015 (UTC)

Damn it - I don't know how to make them as a proportion, just as a set size. At least I can ere on the side of caution and make them smaller. Need to figure that out.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:27, April 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * You can't just cut off the ends of the box/banners? 19:34, April 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * Its the same on my screen.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 19:35, April 26, 2015 (UTC)

Wait, yeah, I resize the box and not the image - what does it look like now?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:37, April 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * the Media banner and the Contributing banner are still too long. The wiki banner is fixed, but shorter. I mean, it looks ok, but if you wanted it the exact same length, just make it the same length as all the "noble houses" banner, and those other ones below the cast portal. Those are the perfect length. 21:45, April 26, 2015 (UTC)

Wait, I've got it: I was setting the width based on pixel size "px", but you're supposed to set it to a percentage: "width:100%", so it shows up the same on any display. That's the answer.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:19, April 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * Looks good. Don't forget the "Contributing" banner too. Its still too long. 22:47, April 26, 2015 (UTC)

Main page sliding panel
I have begun a little discussion at QueenBuffy's talk page over the main page sliding panel. We need your opinion on it.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 19:45, April 26, 2015 (UTC)

House Stokeworth family tree
Are you up for updating it? Adding Lady Tanda Stokeworth and changing Bronn for Ser Wylis Bracken?--Gonzalo84 (talk) 20:50, April 26, 2015 (UTC)

The family trees are what I'm up to next, yeah.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:56, April 26, 2015 (UTC)

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Alysanne and Jaehaerys I aren't in the TV show that much.

Pick a character from the most recent episode, go to their character page (Sansa, Littlefinger, Varys, whoever), and type up a basic two paragraph description of what they did in the last episode.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 03:44, April 30, 2015 (UTC)

Season 5 credits template
I was only wondering if there is a season 5 credits template avaiable, cuz I can't find it. I am talking about the template that is on the actors' pages, not the characters'.--Sebahed (talk) 23:47, May 1, 2015 (UTC)

Major characters = Main characters
I personally think that the characters played the starring cast members should be reffered to as "Main characters" instead of "Major characters" as this would fit better along with "Recurring characters", because recurring and main/starring are the two cast member statuses that are. Example: Eddard Stark, also known by his friends and family as Ned, is a main character in the first season.

Excluding "Guest characters", which also should be a catergory of its own maybe. Let me know what you think.--Sebahed (talk) 19:50, May 2, 2015 (UTC)

You weren't here when we had a talk about this:

While we tried to impose subjective standards of "major character" for a time (Loras or Olenna are important but technically weren't "starring" in Season 3) this led to endless bickering about who was "major" or "recurring".

So right before Season 5 began, the new plan was to abandon this entirely, and just stick to "starring cast" (billed as starring cast), "recurring" (appear in more than one episode), or just "character"/Guest character.

The bickering and debate over who was major or not was a drain on finite resources of writing-time.

The problem is that we got really busy with working on Season 5 episode info - reclassifying characters is simply a lower priority than making a page for "Lollys Stokeworth".

Anyone is free to relabel the pages according to this basic "starring character/recurring character/character" scheme, but I am too busy with major projects to work on it myself.

...or maybe it was "Loras Tyrell is a character played by recurring cast member..." -- with the adjective describing the status of the actor, not the writer.

We'll tinker around with this, but please ask around.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:09, May 2, 2015 (UTC)

All I was saying was that we change were it says "major" character to "main" character, do I have the permission to do this myself, or will it simply just be removed afterwards?--Sebahed (talk) 21:52, May 2, 2015 (UTC)

It would be a great help if you could apply the new more objective scheme, which is to say "Eddard Stark is a character played by starring cast member Sean Bean"

No longer using major/minor description for characters, and sorting them by actor based on "starring", "recurring" or just "actor" (for one shot guest actors). I think we'd use "guest actor" for someone really important who only appeared once, but otherwise don't worry about that.

So yes please help change this, but the format is no longer "major" or "main" character, but "starring actor", "recurring actor", etc.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:10, May 2, 2015 (UTC)

I have managed to change the "major" characters to "main" characters, which in opinion, sounds and feels much better. I was not able to make this change to Pages: Sandor Clegane and Catelyn Stark, due to their pages being blocked for some reason. I would also need help to change the page: "Major characters" to "Main characters", this i cannot do because I was not the one who created the page. --Sebahed (talk) 11:36, May 4, 2015 (UTC)

'No, I told you not'' to add the descriptions "main" character. There are no "main" characters its an ensemble cast.'''

I said to rank them based on actor Starring, recurring, or guest status. Revert these changes you have made.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:01, May 4, 2015 (UTC)

People violating image policy
I'm about to lose it on these people. One warning is all they get, if they continue to upload without using the correct image policy, or even attempting to ask how.. I am blocking them for 1 week. It's too busy around here, for us to have to go back and properly fix every image. 15:22, May 4, 2015 (UTC)

Sand Snake in Sons of the Harpy
Been trying to figure out what snake was by Jaime's head. I'm nearing the conclusion it is a Red Milk Snake, seen here. Here is the image with Jaime... . If this IS a milk snake, it is actually a non-venomous snake. 16:22, May 4, 2015 (UTC)

Herpetology is not my forte. --The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:37, May 4, 2015 (UTC)


 * Dang it. lol I wish me and my ex were on speaking terms. He was a snake wrangler for the movies. haha 16:38, May 4, 2015 (UTC)


 * Well just because we've got an Alaskan Malatut playing a Direwolf, I mean it's it's meant to be a direwolf.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:42, May 4, 2015 (UTC)


 * Good point!! I think I read where the red milk snake is found in the USA...so that is why I am just confused about this. Although, the props dept. could have just used it as a guide when creating the prop snake. 16:45, May 4, 2015 (UTC)

Daenerys's or Daenerys'?
What correct spelling? Daenerys's dragons or Daenerys' dragons? I recently had an argument with another editor, who claimed it is pronounced "Daenerys's" not "Daenerys'" which I thought it was. What do you think?--Sebahed (talk) 23:24, May 6, 2015 (UTC)

Officially, a singular name that happens to end in "S" will also gain an extra possessive "S" at the end: "Daenerys's", "Stannis's", etc. It's just such a common mistake that we can't catch it every time, though you should fix it when you encounter it.

People confuse this with how plural nouns do not need to gain a possessive "S" -- "Jaime Lanister's hand" but "The Lannisters' gold". "Lannisters's" doesn't exist.

"Daenerys" and "Stannis", however, are not plural nouns - they just happen to end in "S". They do gain a possessive "S": "Daenerys's" and "Stannis's".

Part of the fault is mine - I really...only confirmed this by late Season 3 or so, and before that, when we wrote a lot of stuff, I was actively using it the other way around. I only got corrected about how to actually do it about two years into writing on here. Ack.

Yes you would pronounce this posesssive, pronounced as it is spelled; "Stannis" = "Stan-iss", but "Stannis's" = "Stani-iss-ez"--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:14, May 7, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Audio clips
Sure, I'll avoid uploading audio in the future. Should I add the transcript to the file description or Domeric's page? Or both? Corkeyandpals (talk) 01:20, May 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * Add it as a really long quote at the top of the page..--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:29, May 7, 2015 (UTC)

Regarding assassins
If Daario isn't an assassin then Mandon Moore sure as hell is not either. Daario infiltrated Dany's camp unseen and could have killed her, but chose not to. Mandon Moore was just a Kingsguard that was ordered by Joffrey to kill Tyrion, not assassinate him. I think that Ser Mandon Moore should be removed from the category of "Assassins", if you disagree let me know why.--Sebahed (talk) 19:11, May 7, 2015 (UTC)

...wait...now I'm not sure. Have to ask one of the other Admins if it was for "professional" Assassins. You know what, just add Daario back to the category now given that Mandon Moore is in it, and I'll play with it later...--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:18, May 7, 2015 (UTC)

"The Gift (episode)" link is wrong!
Just wanted to let you know that if you press the link "The Gift" on the appearances template you are redirected to the location titled the gift not to the episode, at least this happened to me when pressing the links on Jon Snow's and Sansa's pages. I don't know how to fix this.--Sebahed (talk) 15:59, May 10, 2015 (UTC)

Kill the Boy
Hey, was wondering if you could unlock the Kill the Boy episode page so I could add in the cast.

Thanks in advance. --Devinthe66 (talk) 02:36, May 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * After seeing last night's episode and Jorah getting infected with Grayscale... it's looking more and more like the Griffs have been cut from the show :/  DRAEVAN13 

16:21, May 11, 2015 (UTC)

Yes...but who knows what they're doing in Season 6 after they double-back; this season was crunch time, now it's shifted to "but HBO wants 10 seasons!" ....yeah, we'll see Arianne and the Greyjoys before the Griffs. So it goes.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:34, May 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * Still trying to understand why Cogman (COGMAN!) of all people would name a frikkin Ghiscari "Eaton" and not Jonaz mo/zo Doenaq.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 18:54, May 11, 2015 (UTC)
 * Because Master Eaton was eaten. I believe the character's name was written for that purpose, just for fun, even though it's kind of stupid in my opinion.--Sebahed (talk) 19:29, May 11, 2015 (UTC)

Significantly changed characters navbox
With the truckload of book changes we'll have to place this navbox in half the wiki. It has served its purpose but with all the changes (Ellaria the wahawk, Tyene the nice Sand Snake, Tommen the horndog, Loras the arrested gay stereotype, the whoremongering High Septon, Mossador, Barristan's death, Grey Worm's angst upgrade, Missandei's age lift, Mossador) I vote for its removal.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 19:07, May 11, 2015 (UTC)

Character change in the Castportal template.
I think some of the characters in the castportal template should be switched out because some of them aren't even "major" characters such as: Loras, Shireen, Mycella, Sand Snakes and Doran. Quite frankly this kinda enoys me a bit, because there are so many other "major" characters that isn't  present on this list, characters like: Bronn, Davos, Daario, Jaqen, Missandei, Jorah, Gilly and probably a couple more that im forgetting. A specially with this season having added a lot more series regulars (main cast members) like Daario, Missandei and Jaqen, who will all three have big spotlights on them in season 5. I personally think that this change should be made because characters like Shireen don't even compare in importance compared to lets say Davos or Jorah. I think that the castportal template should only feature the main/major characters of the season we are currently in. I also think that the order should be changed, either in the order in which they are credited or in alfabetical order, though this change isn't as important. If you disagree, please let me know why!--Sebahed (talk) 19:43, May 11, 2015 (UTC)

Doran is the faction leader of House Martell, and a major new casting this season. The Sand Snakes are also important this season - and it lets us link to three characters for the cost of one box.

No, Jaqen is not big enough of a character to appear in the top 25 or so that we put on the front page.

As I have already explained on the Talk for the front page, the problem is to make links to characters who are "POV access points" for separate narrative threads. Davos isn't in because he overlaps too much with Stannis.

For the same reason we had to put Tormund in to give some reference point to the Free Folk.

Bronn overlapped with Tyrion, then with Jaime. Missandei would also be great on the front page but she overlaps so much with Daenerys.

Loras is a major character - albeit the writers keep pushing off his storyarcs.

Shireen was fairly important the past few episodes - Myrcella is going to get a big introduction next episode.

It's a god-damned game of musical chairs. Can't fit any more boxes in without being confusing. Jorah and Missandei are important and I wish we could fit them in...given that Melisandre is going WITH Stannis in the TV series (she stays at Castle Black and has a separate storyline in the novel)

...so...also we might not see Varys again until next season, though he is a major player.

I thought Ellaria was redundant with the Sand Snakes.

Tell you what, I'll swap out Ellaria for Missandei, and Melisandre for Jorah. I'm also inclined to swap out Tormund for Bronn - given that Tormund appears alongside Jon all the time....I'll bring this up on the main talk page.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:51, May 11, 2015 (UTC)

It would be far too much work for you at this point anyway, but had you put any thought into the idea of putting characters by location on the main page? Like "Characters in Dorne" then list Doran, Sansnakes, Ellaria etc.

Again way too much work when the show is going on, and might not work visually anyway, just an idea I thought I'd throw at you. - Son Of Fire (talk) 02:18, May 13, 2015 (UTC)


 * ...I'm worried that might lead to spoilers and stuff. They usually don't move around that much one episode to the next....however, if you look on the front page, the "Locations" dropdown menu is designed around "major places characters have actually visited" - Sunspear, Braavos, Volantis, Meereen, King's Landing, etc. - plus two or three that while not seen are so prominently mentioned it made sense to include them (Highgarden and Storm's End).--The Dragon Demands (talk) 03:50, May 13, 2015 (UTC)

Daario image category not present
Why is Category:Image (Daario Naharis) not present at the list on this page: Category:Image (Character)  ???--Sebahed (talk) 23:52, May 12, 2015 (UTC)

A question for Cogman
We have a twitter account, right? Perhaps we could use it to ask Cogman about "Eaton".--Gonzalo84 (talk) 20:49, May 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * Hell, I've been trying to ask Cogman about bigger stuff than that, and we still get no response. Just last week I tweeted to him "Who is the Kingsguard in episode 5.4?" yet received no response.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:52, May 13, 2015 (UTC)

Birthday Girl
Guess who had a big 3.6. Birthday today... THIS GIRL, that's who! lol ;) 04:44, May 15, 2015 (UTC)

Sorry :/
Hey Dragon Demands! Hey bro I wanted to apologize for my behavior. I truly do not rmember what I did, I just remembered I put some stupid shit on the forum and my IP got banned. I was stupid back then and I deserved it. Now, I have finished the books and I'm a HUGE fan of both the books and the show. I even run an Instagram account called 'gameoffacts ' which I have over 73 THOUSAND followers which makes me one of the top 10 game of thrones insta accounts with most followers. (if you want proof, comment something on my pic like "I'm Dragon Demands from the GoT wiki", and I'll respond to you confirming this is me). I always check the Game of Thrones news every day, look at the new stills of episodes and I would really love to be able to edit the forum again :/ I'm currently using my iPhone's hotspot because I couldn't even leave messages on profiles because my IP  is blocked. With this account I'm using (eugeniodiaz30), I've edited and added lots of wiki's and have truly helped the wikia. I would like to ask if I could maybe, just maybe be unbanned so I can easily add and edit the forum's again. I promise I won't ever do what I did before. I've matured and GoT is part of my daily life now (I post like 3 pictures per day in my insta).

 Here's my ban: 

The block was made by   The Dragon Demands.
 * Reason given: gross incompetence
 * Start of block: 22:53, March 18, 2015
 * Expiry of block: infinite
 * Intended blockee: 189.212.125.173
 * Block ID: #2061
 * Current IP address: 189.212.125.173

Thank you so very much for this. It would be amazing if I could come back to this amazing community again and continue helping. Thanks for your time.


 * Wait, you are a blocked user, who ignored the block and returned anyway?! That isn't how this works. You've returned regardless of the fact you've been blocked, and now you have ignored my image warning, and continued to upload images anyway. What was your user name? Also, please sign messages here. 15:23, May 15, 2015 (UTC)


 * It's not my username that is blocked, it's my IP adress. And sorry I didn't see your image warning. I won't continue doing it. And sorry I came back even though I got blocked, I just really wanted to come back :/ and how does it work with the sign messages here? I don't understand the user talk pages :P

It seems that I banned your IP address because you had no idea how image files work in Wikis; you don't make a direct URL link, you add the name of a file uploaded to the wiki. This was apparently done in a quick purge of random IP address clutter that day.

Not really worth banning your named profile over now - but why didn't you simply create a new, named profile...and not tell me about it? How would I even know it was you? Think this through.

Your instagram is mostly just repeating stuff from the wiki notes.

Doesn't really matter. Well, you can keep editing, but please make sure to figure out how wiki links and such work when you add stuff, so you don't make more work for the rest of us.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:37, May 15, 2015 (UTC)

'''I know bro, but I understand perfectly now, and I want to fix my pictures but for some reason I'm still banned and still can't edit :/ I've been seeing some tutorial videos on youtube of wikia so I now know really good how to use it. And I swear that I rarely take stuff from the wiki notes.'''

Thank you so much and I'm sorry for what previously happened :/ Eugeniodiaz30 (talk) 00:17, June 2, 2015 (UTC)

'''Sorry for commenting again but I still can't edit the forum, would it be possible you could unban me now? Thank you very much! Eugeniodiaz30 (talk) 23:44, June 9, 2015 (UTC)'''

You are unblocked already. Maybe you were trying to edit a locked thread or something?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:46, June 9, 2015 (UTC)

Game code giveaway
Hi DragonDemands,

I posted this message earlier this week on QueenBuffy's wall but she has yet to get back to me. We had some ideas about how we could give away game codes to the telltale game. Of course, if you don't like any of them then we won't proceed.

(a) Us adding a "pencil unit" calling out the latest "The List" blog post and the giveaway that's part of it on relevant pages: TT GOT overview page (http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Game_of_Thrones:_A_Telltale_Games_Series), TT GOT hub (http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Telltale%27s_Game_of_Thrones_Super_Walkthrough), the latest episode article page (for example, http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Sons_of_the_Harpy_(episode)). I can send you a screenshot of what it would look like on an article page

(b) Running a giveaway blog post (requirements to enter: log in, then leave a comment with your favorite GOT character) and then featuring that giveaway in the first slot of the main page slider for a few days?

(c) Lastly, would you mind if we updated the text of the community message itself when you change the Featured Programs section (so instead of sending the generic notice "Community Message has been Updated" it updates with context and a link)?

Let me know if your thoughts and concerns and please pass this on to any other admins you feel it should go to.

Knakveey (talk) 21:12, May 15, 2015 (UTC)

A - ...wait, what do you mean by "pencil unit"? I don't understand. Please post a screenshot of what this would look like.

B - Oh yeah, giveaways are great. Yes put that in the first slider (though we only have four so I guess move game content from the fourth slot to the first for that giveaway)?

C - Yes I will update the Community Message now. Yes you can update that with Game announcements so long as you don't delete other stuff.

QueenBuffy doesn't have HBO access for the second half of Season 5 so she's going to take some time working around that.

As for me, I'm right in the middle of the last week of finals essay writing so I'm very busy IRL.

On top of this...I'm going to a conference in Europe for a week and will miss episode 7. You see, I had assumed that the show was going to take a week off over Memorial Day weekend - they did last year and the ratings were actually better for it - everyone is traveling or on vacation on Memorial Day Weekend.

But no, it turns out they're suddenly not taking a break over Memorial Day Weekend, but I had already planned to be in Europe for about 10 days.

The good news is that once I return, my school work is finished, so I will be able to focus much more on the wiki during the last three episodes (leading up to the big focus on the finale), more time than I've been able to be on here in the past month or so.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:04, May 16, 2015 (UTC)

Hi TDD,

Thanks for getting back to me.

I do recall them skipping a week last year and assumed it would have happened again. Thanks for the heads up. I hope your conference in Europe is enjoyable :)

In regards to the pencil ad, here are some examples:





It should be noted the ad in the 2nd image is right below "mordecai/3.340k pages on this wiki"

The image we make for the pages on the GoT can be smaller if preferred and can be put in the right rail instead. We can be very flexible as to how it looks.

Again, it would only be visible specific pages, not site-wide.

Anyway, I know you're busy. If this sounds ok, write back some image sizes you'd be ok with.

Have a good trip,

Knakveey (talk) 21:57, May 19, 2015 (UTC)

Wiki French
Bonjour, Nous recherchons des personnes motivés pour participer au wiki http://fr.gameof-thrones.wikia.com/wiki/Game_of_Thrones

Etant déjà très occupé sur d'autres wiki anglophone, je recherche des personnes actives et motivés pour aider à faire grandir rapidement le wiki.

(ce wiki à était créer car celui gérer par vampire8 n'est pas très actif et le membre refuse toute collaboration avec d'autres contributeurs).

ps: je m'excuse par avance si je me suis tromper de catégorie pour vous écrire ce message. Salutation. Radagast l'animal 16:27, May 16, 2015 (UTC)

Je suis très occupé ici, parce que la saison 5 est seulement la moitié terminé.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:47, May 16, 2015 (UTC)

Season 5 episode 9: "The Dance of Dragons"
If Young Griff is going to appear this season, it's going to be here. Naming an episode after a war where Targaryens fought one another does seems suspicious, to me at least.  DRAEVAN13  14:34, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

Or... you know. Dragons are getting unleashed ;) —ArticXiongmao (talk) 14:35, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

Could be, but dragons being unleashed has nothing to do with the war the title is referencing. The dragons were quite controlled, it was the Targaryens involved who were mucking about.  DRAEVAN13 14:58, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunately I think they just picked a catchy name because a dragon appears in it.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:53, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

Letting the Admins know
I am soooo tired of writing out message after message about the image policy to users who don't properly upload pictures here. I have created a template, that we can use when telling editors about our policy when it comes to images. ImagePolicyFirstWarning If you see wording that may need to be changed, or anything added- please feel free to make those changes. 18:39, May 19, 2015 (UTC)

Barristan Selmy's page
Can you open Barristan's page for editing, it seems to be locked. There is important information to add, such as: number of appearances, information regarding his post-death scene and more.--Sebahed (talk) 00:27, May 20, 2015 (UTC)

Look!
Finally we get a look at Tyrell soldiers. Are those two "Left" and "Right"?--Gonzalo84 (talk) 06:04, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

...We'll have to keep track of this.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:35, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Ragestorm/Admin
Hey, next time someone is promoted to admin, can you tell me? I had no idea about Ragestorm. Thanks. 00:55, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

...I'm sorry I thought you saw from the forum proposal I made a few weeks ago.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:34, June 4, 2015 (UTC)


 * Likewise, I never saw it. I admit I was away from Lima participating in a theatre festival but a message on my talk page would've been good.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 15:57, June 4, 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't understand what the issue is here... we all voted in favour of Ragestorm as an admin, you two included.--Ser Patrek (talk) 16:32, June 4, 2015 (UTC)


 * Well either way I'm sorry I didn't send a specific Talk page message if that ended up confusing you guys.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:29, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

GoT Wiki + User Discussions
Hey, Dragon! The growth of the Game of Thrones Wiki has been exciting to watch, and we wanted to congratulate you all on the amazing work that's been done to make it into the ultimate GOT resource! As we brace ourselves for the surge of interest in the season finale (especially after the craziness of the last few eps), we were wondering if there might be any interest in implementing feature(s) that accommodate discussion of episodes like turning on comments on article pages, or even just using forums to discuss things.

I know comments are a bit hard to monitor, but, if we were to use forums as a center for discussion, it would be great if we could turn on the 'newer' forums feature. It's more modern looking and easier for most users to use (especially people that aren't avid Wikia users), and the great thing about it is that you would be able to create topic specific boards and could close threads that are old or inappropriate! Check out how Walking Dead Wiki has theirs set up! GoT Wiki has definitely become a great resource for GoT fans, and we are hoping you'll be interested in making it a place where they can congregate and talk to each other about it :) If you have questions or concerns, we'd love to talk about this with you and get your thoughts on it. P.S. Hope your Europe trip was good! Grace (profile)•(talk) 15:18, June 2, 2015 (UTC)


 * Article comments must never be allowed to be turned on here.--Ser Patrek (talk) 15:55, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Would you all be interested in turning on the new forums then? It allows for more structured discussions by board, and you could create one specifically for fan theories or something if you wanted it to remain mostly factual and based in evidence! Grace (profile)•(talk) 21:55, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

The Europe trip set me back two weeks, I'm catching up now (as you can see).

...well many don't seem to be in favor of article comments and neither an I - would lead to a lot of contentious bickering and flame wars as they always do.

We do have the old forum but it wasn't being used that much.

(reading link)

Oh the Walking Dead forum setup is great.

You see the problem was that we have so many thinks to link to, and such limited space on the top nav bar, that I removed the "Community" link for the "Culture and Society" one (otherwise people couldn't easily find our "Faith of the Seven" page). I put the "Community Forum" link into the community messages sidebar on "Recent Changes" but that's not very visible. I asked if there was some way to add a "Forum" link to the "On the Wiki" main tab (next to "Photos", "Videos", etc.) but was told it needed a lot of coding work.

Yes, I am in favor of specifically the Walking Dead Forum setup, with a link to it in the "On the Wiki" tab.

...what happens to the old community forum? Should we archive the one or two things we need from it?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:28, June 6, 2015 (UTC)


 * The old threads on the original forum will still be accessible through Forum:Index! When you view the new forum boards, there actually is a link at the bottom that says "Old forum archives" for anyone that had created topics of discussion. If you'd like, we can turn on new forums and get those boards set up :) Grace (profile)•(talk) 02:57, June 8, 2015 (UTC)

Hey Dragon, just following up on my last message. Do you want me to turn on the new forums so you can start setting up specific boards for discussion? Grace (profile)•(talk) 16:38, June 9, 2015 (UTC)

"Galbart Glover" at Sansa's wedding
Perhaps you could upload a comparative image to ascertain if Glover is present?--Gonzalo84 (talk) 15:38, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

As the person who pointed out the resemblence, I will second this. It would also be nice if we could see any sigils or anything. TheUnknown285 (talk) 03:09, June 7, 2015 (UTC)

Excessive page locking
I don't agree with locking down "The Gift" just because you haven't agreed with the edits. Locking pages should be used to settle edit wars or protect against vandalism, none of which is present.

http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Page_protection

Also, administrator powers should not be used to settle debates. Ideally, they maintain the integrity of the community by issuing warnings and setting guidelines, among other things, but certainly not by removing the chance for community input. Regardless of their quality, the edits you are making cannot be challenged, which violates the spirit of a wikia admin as an equal user.

http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Best_practices_for_administrators

Lksdjf (talk) 20:27, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Agreed. Gladiatus (talk) 20:53, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Ack. I only locked it because I was writing a lot and didn't want to get stuck with a lot of edit conflicts. That's back when I thought it would only take an hour. Sorry about that, I'll unlock it now. Feel free to revise anything I added.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:57, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Fair enough. Although I disagree with locking down the page, there wasn't any ill intent behind the action, so I understand and will not hold it against you. Thanks for lifting the lock, cleaning up the page, and adding some new content. Lksdjf (talk) 21:11, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Cave people
How do you know those wildlings with white face-paint are the cave people?--Gonzalo84 (talk) 18:29, June 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * Who else uses face paint? If you watch that "Making of the Battle of the Wall" video, the excerpt from the actual script mentions "cave people with their painted faces" in the crowd and I think you can see them in wideshots, but we mistook it for snow on their faces, etc.

https://youtu.be/4VvGh-7mKFU?t=2m36s

Therefore, it seems that Benioff and Weiss must know that their TV-version of cave people also feature the "painted faces" they're described within the novels.

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:53, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Hardhome
Just wanted to let you know that the frontpage links to the page for Hardhome the place when it should be linking to Hardhome the episode. TheUnknown285 (talk) 02:51, June 7, 2015 (UTC)

House Martell (Episode The Dance of Dragons)
Hello Dragon. I have a question, in the last episode there were a few things mentioned, Doran said to Ellaria that she is the mother of four of his nieces, but wasn't it mentioned that Ellaria has five daughters, including Tyene? And Doran also mentioned that Trystane has to learn to rule, was this a hint that he is Dorans heir? --Exodianecross (talk) 10:19, June 8, 2015 (UTC)


 * I point that out in the episode article's notes: yes, it doesn't really make sense.  She was mother of four in the novels but not Tyene - if they make Tyene a daughter (by combining her with traits of Book-Elia)...that increases to five!  Now we have to think of another mother for one of the other Sand Snakes or something.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 14:36, June 8, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, that's one point, and the other about Trystane? Perhaps he will be established as Dorans heir in the TV-series while in the books it's his sister Arianne. I hope, they won't drop her totally. --Exodianecross (talk) 15:09, June 8, 2015 (UTC)

Dance of Dragons
I JUST finished FINALLY watching Sunday's episode.. and.. O.. M.. G!!!! lmao I am speechless.. much like Tyrion! haha 01:04, June 9, 2015 (UTC) Also.. I have been out of town all last week and this week for work. I will be back to edit full time next Monday :) 01:33, June 9, 2015 (UTC)

Same here, I was in Europe for episodes 7 and 8. Hopefully I won't run the wiki into the ground while you're gone (ack).--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:51, June 9, 2015 (UTC)
 * Somehow I doubt that. ;) 19:15, June 9, 2015 (UTC)

Turning on Forums
Hey, Dragon, we left off with you saying you liked the idea of having forums like The Walking Dead Wiki. I can turn on the new forums for you but wanted to make sure that you were okay with it before doing so :) Let me know as soon as you can! Grace (profile)•(talk) 16:18, June 10, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, please turn them on.

Actually there are only two or three threads we would save from the old ones - turn on the new ones, I'll migrate over the few vote-threads of importance, then later on I'll say when to shut down the old ones.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:23, June 10, 2015 (UTC)


 * Sounds good! I'll set up the initial boards following the Walking Dead Wiki format and you can change whatever you'd like Grace (profile)•(talk) 20:28, June 10, 2015 (UTC)

I also just noticed that your On the Wiki section is full because there is Chat, Maps, and Blogs. Normally the Forum link would go there but now there are too many items for it to fit. Are you okay with removing any of those items? Grace (profile)•(talk) 20:41, June 10, 2015 (UTC)

For the costumes section
Take a look at this interview with Michelle Clapton:--Gonzalo84 (talk) 17:50, June 10, 2015 (UTC)
 * I know, I added it to the news, I need to get to it.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:53, June 10, 2015 (UTC)

Follow Up
Hi TDD,

I hope your trip in Europe was enjoyable and got some time to relax. Also, I see you wrote on my wall about the wiki being sluggish and publishing edits have been taking longer... Everything looks good on our end. Are you sure it's not your connection? Are other users experiencing issues? We had some downtime last week so that might be what you experienced.

Anyway, I'm glad to hear you're cool with promoting the giveaway on the 1st hub slider on the mainpage. We really appreciate that...

Another thing has come down the pipeline that MAY or MAY NOT actually happen, but I wanted to see if you'd be interested:

We are working with sponsors and partners to place certain content on fan communities.

This content could be, for example, trailers or behind-the-scenes videos and would live in a prominent place on all of the pages of your community. The placement is temporary (~2-4 weeks) and is only done with admin consent. This is a great way to get content that is relevant and interesting to existing fans as well as drive new fans to your Wikia community!

Here are a couple examples of what this could look like Borderlands and Witcher. What do you think?

Again, this isn't something we're going to do for sure, just want to know if you'd be interested.

Thanks for taking the time to get back to me,

Knakveey (talk) 19:16, June 10, 2015 (UTC)

Well sure, but I mean ask the other two Bureaucrats as well, I'm not the only one.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:08, June 10, 2015 (UTC)

Recent executions
Don't forget to place the "blocked user" banner on the recenlty blocked users and add the block reasons in their respective talk pages. Perhaps adding the reason for blocking in your Traitor's Walk could also be of use.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 05:44, June 12, 2015 (UTC)


 * He vandalized another user's profile page....specifically to mock my great friend Michael Hunt.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 13:53, June 12, 2015 (UTC)

Local Navigation
Hey Dragon, I was hoping to get Forums linked on the nav before the finale this weekend :) Between Chat and Maps (or even Random page), do you mind one of those getting replaced with Forums? Let me know, thanks! Grace (profile)•(talk) 17:28, June 12, 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, replace "Maps" with "Forums" - I mean we're not developing the Maps anymore, right? Shelved project?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:18, June 12, 2015 (UTC)

You got it! Also, just in case you didn't know, you can highlight forum threads that you want people to see. Logged in users will get a note in their notifications menu that a thread was highlighted, and will be prompted to check it out :) Grace (profile)•(talk) 20:15, June 12, 2015 (UTC)

Hey
Hey Dragon i dunno if this is necessary but should Dyanna Dayne be added to the family tree's? Also a quesiton on "Aelinor Targaryen" you have it as not related to House Targaryen on the family tree's i did notice a discussion about it was she the daughter of Daeron II and Myriah Martell or was she just "Aelinor Penrose" a cousin to Aerys I?

Hey Dragon, thought Id inform you that User:GhostWolf716 has a substantial more edots to his page and only few to other pages on this wiki, I know I did this once and was calld out which made me edit other pages more. Thanks

Indefinite locks
Many of the most highly-trafficked pages are locked down indefinitely, some that have had no bearing on recent episodes, or even this season. Can we at least do away with indefinite locks, and set them to something more reasonable, like a week or two? A lot of potential content is not being added because normal users cannot get around the locks. Trust in the regular editors of this wiki; there are many of us that wish to uphold a certain level of integrity here, and we will act appropriately in light of vandalism. Additionally, have you considered establishing a new tier of editors with rollback privileges? This would certainly make it easier on the admins, who can focus on other pressing issues. Lksdjf (talk) 06:55, June 15, 2015 (UTC)

Changing some characters in the Castportal character meny.
Considering Jon, Stannis, Shireen and Myrcella are dead I feel like it is time to swap out some characters in the Castportal. Also recurring charaters should't be on the meny in my opinion because they aren't as important to the overall story compared to the main/major characters. In my opinion characters: Doran, Sand Snakes, and Loras should also be removed.

Worthy replacements: Jorah, Bronn, Davos, Jaqen, Daario, Gilly or Missandei (not really though considering she has had less focus as a main cast member than she had last season as a guest, which is weird).--Sebahed (talk) 00:57, June 16, 2015 (UTC)


 * Wait until Season 6 info becomes available.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 02:56, June 16, 2015 (UTC)


 * I agree that we should wait. Season 5 has only just ended.. we have plenty of time to figure out the cast portal. :) 03:02, June 16, 2015 (UTC)


 * Okey then, we wait :-)--Sebahed (talk) 15:22, June 16, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah Season 5 just ended, let's hold off a bit.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:26, June 16, 2015 (UTC)

Lock pages?
Could you lock the Myrcella Baratheon, Stannis Baratheon, and Jon Snow pages? There's an edit war going on over whether they're dead or not that's dragging on.  DRAEVAN13  12:06, June 16, 2015 (UTC)


 * Seriously, please lock the pages, especially for Myrcella and Mother's Mercy. Or block the users who keep removing the deceased category.  DRAEVAN13

13:45, June 16, 2015 (UTC)

Tom Wlaschiha
Tom Wlaschiha's pages has been locked under the entire season, but it need to be updated. Will you update or unlock it.--Mesmermann (talk) 15:53, June 16, 2015 (UTC)

"Uncertain" Subheadline?
Hi, I saw that you had created a new sub-headline for "uncertain" in Appearances on Mother's Mercy. But how does that really make sense? considering it's under Appearances, it makes it seem like there was an uncertain appearance, which would only really make sense in the case of a faceless man or something. The way I see it it should only state that they are in deaths, but unconfirmed like I did (As is the case in previous Appearances like Sandor Clegane in The Children) or at least a sub-sub-headline of deaths, if that is even possible. 17:59, June 16, 2015 (UTC)

I didn't create a new sub-headline, someone else did and I reverted it back....though that contradicts what I say in the notes. Er, I'll get back to that.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:03, June 16, 2015 (UTC)

user:Hatred101
Please keep an eye out for any editors who may start verbally harassing users or admins. Hatred101 is giving us trouble, and has even harassed me on my other wiki. Please promptly block anybody who fits this behavior, with no warning. Thanks. 19:24, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

User who wants to be unbanned
Will you look over his page here Edible8 and his message here to me on BTVS wiki. Let me know your thoughts on this. Is it something we can explore further, or does the matter seem hopeless? Thanks. 18:15, June 19, 2015 (UTC)
 * He was editing pretty badly. Based on the opening credits he moved the entire page "Sunspear" to "Dorne (city)". Nor did he ask permission for such a change or discuss it on a talk page. It was so bizarre I banned it as near-vandalism.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:49, June 19, 2015 (UTC)
 * He seems pretty sincere, maybe we should put him on a trial basis? If he keeps up good edits, he can stick around? 03:51, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

Well okay unban him I guess; everyone gets one "I was drunk and/or not paying close attention editing half-asleep" get out of jail free card. I just hope it doesn't become a trend.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 04:04, June 20, 2015 (UTC)


 * I will do some research on him, see how he edits on other pages, if he has. If you don't feel he should get a second chance, we don't have to unban him. His edits just seemed rather ignorant, and not truly vandalism or meaning harm. 01:55, June 21, 2015 (UTC)


 * Unban him at your discretion.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 03:08, June 21, 2015 (UTC)

Other wiki's that have been edited by him/her are also pretty messed up. I think it's safe to leave the block. Thanks for your time. 19:03, June 21, 2015 (UTC)

Mago not Qotho
Qotho, bloodrider to Drogo, died in the novels as well. It is Mago who is still alvie, and a bloodrider to Khal Jhaqo.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 18:17, June 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * Blast, of course, it was Mago.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:48, June 19, 2015 (UTC)

Pacing
Hey there, noticed your addition to the article on the last episode questioning why D&D sped through the last two novels so much (nevermind they've actually been covering them since Season 3). They explained here that they don't want the show to drag on and lose its momentum as well as having everyone working on the show get bored of it and turning in subpar performances. Does this help explain why they want the show to wrap up in seven or eight seasons? --Alientraveller (talk) 01:46, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

Hardly. Though I thank you for the article. "A Storm of Swords" was the climax of "Part One of Three" of the "A Song of Ice and Fire" saga. In short, they want a Red Wedding level event every year, even though it took three years to build to that in the TV version. It's an accusation leveled at the fourth novel a lot but....for god's sake, it's the beginning of "Part Two of Three".

So I don't find their claims unsurprising...IF this isn't just them saving face and it was really the actor contracts limiting them the whole time...I mean even observationally, a major criticism circulating around is "you're trying to make a Red Wedding level shock every season, when you should be shooting for a Blackwater level climax".

Do you...seriously think that having Ramsay Bolton maritalrape Sansa Stark, a character he never even met in the novels, "kept the pace" of her characterization?

"Don't want the crew to get bored with it"...what the heck does that even mean? When Gemma Jackson couldn't keep up, she left. Now even Michele Clapton is leaving.

In short they're saying "we would rather rush this show to get it done early, with us in charge, rather than retire from it to allow others to do it slowly and carefully"?

I mean read through the doubletalk and lip-serving: "We don't want the actors to get bored" --"bored"? Meaning what exactly? It's about contracts! "Lose Momentum?" What the hell was the Dorne subplot, but losing momentum? Wasn't the UTTER ANTI-CLIMAX of Stannis at Winterfell "losing momentum"?

I thank you for the interview.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 03:17, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

Please read more carefully what they said:

Even within that interview, pre-Season 4, Benioff and Weiss were repeatedly saying "the show will last 8 seasons, but not 10, we can't just keep going for 15 seasons" etc.

No, explain how this has anything to do with combining the fourth and fifth novels.

There are going to be seven novels; when they split the very long third novel in half, everyone assumed that would mean eight seasons as a result. THEY said eight seasons was then the goal.

Then last year they started mysteriously backtracking and saying "well, we've ALWAYS said seven seasons"....which was probably a face-saving move if the actor contracts didn't work out.

No, they were talking about dramatic momentum as a reason not to have TEN seasons, HOWEVER, it doesn't justify condensing two novels into one season.

Unless somehow they think they'll need two seasons to adapt all of the White Walker war or something. Which I'd find odd because they're not even text yet, just outlines.

Eight seasons, for seven books one of which got split into two seasons. One book equals roughly a season, otherwise. Why then suddenly adapt two seasons into one?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 03:31, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

I see... it will be good to learn eventually if they concluded Stannis's story in S5 because Dillane was unwilling to return (he seems the sort to always move on from a part) or because they felt they needed to fulfil the promise of the Battle of Winterfell, unlike the book I understand left readers disappointed at leaving us just as two major battles got underway. --Alientraveller (talk) 10:38, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I was terse, I'm just really upset about this.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 14:38, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

Gregor on Kingsguard
If the death of Meryn Trant is somehow known in Westeros leading to UnGregor to be named Kingsguard... does that mean we have to restore the "pseudo-Osmund Kettleblack" article?--Gonzalo84 (talk) 01:03, June 21, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, I think we need to assume that the two unnamed Kingsguard are Osmund and Balon. Named members are Jaime, Boros, Preston, (Artys), and unGregor. Artys just came back from Dorne immediately after sending Myrcella there.


 * Another point is that Mace left for Braavos fairly early in the season and it's actually a short trip - I think things we seen in Braavos in episode 10 happen at the same time as say episode 6 to 7 in King's Landing, just spaced out for dramatic pacing...so I see no big crime in assuming "okay, Gregor just directly replaces Meryn." -- A sloppy solution but not too bad as a stopgap assumption given that they never tell us anything.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 03:07, June 21, 2015 (UTC)


 * Alright then, "Osmund Kettleblack" is about to get resurrected.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 07:26, June 28, 2015 (UTC)

Raymun or Steffon Fossoway in the "Justice" video
I've just seen your comment, perhaps we merit a Raymun Fossoway article.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 17:02, June 21, 2015 (UTC)

#SCOTUSMarriage on the Main Page
What do you think of my celebration idea?--Gonzalo84 (talk) 03:46, June 28, 2015 (UTC)


 * 1 - Well, I don't mind. 2 - It shames the fact that I haven't gotten off my ass and done the Gender & Sexuality article writeup I've wanted to for months, based on my coursework.  But I had some other work to finish up from Season 5.  Reading through the season review blogger roundtable between WatchersOnTheWall.com and TowerOfTheHand, I'm surprised at how many incorrect assumptions people have about medieval sexuality.  Medieval people didn't think like we do, I mean their whole mental framework.  They didn't have a concept of a "nation-state", Stannis can't offer to make wildlings "citizens", etc.  --The Dragon Demands (talk) 04:00, June 28, 2015 (UTC)

At night all banners are black: on hoisting ;) Flags on GoT Wiki
Dear Dragon Demands,

this wikia's grown a lot since I edited here, looks amazing. Great chronicling job by you and others, well done.

I've stopped by here since we're releasing a new feature on Wikia called Flags.

We'd like you guys to be one of the first wikias to use it later this week (both because this wikia is one of our most popular, and because I personally like GoT a lot and would love to hear what you think).

Can you take a look at the announcement by Kirkburn on your forums today or tomorrow and give us an OK -- or feedback on the feature (though I'd think that you'll have more feedback after using it for a week or two).

The release process itself is automatic (we run a bot on your wikia), and we can also automatically undo the process if it's needed for any reason.

Hope you like it, and not in the least due to the amount of flags and banners in ASOIAF, 'cause they're not really that kind of flags -- but I couldn't resist making that pun. ;)

Cheers & happy chronicling,

TOR (talk) 00:55, July 1, 2015 (UTC)

Census Data
Hi there. Apologies for the (very) late reply, I've not been around in quite a while.

Yes I am male, and from England, not far from London. When I first started watching GoT I didn't even know there were books. I started reading them after season 4 but stopped at ASOS as it ends roughly where season 4 does although, as you say, they don't completely run parallel. Since season 5 ended, I've read AFFC and am currently ploughing through ADWD. In hindsight I could have read them all as Season 5 has diverged from the source material so much, not necessarily for the better, IMO.

Best

CorneliusAgrippa (talk) 09:45, July 1, 2015 (UTC)

Jon Snow
Some idiot messed up the last seen and status on Jon Snow's page. I do not have the authority to fix it but maybe you do. Thanks

Image policy
Hello,

I just received a message from Gonzalo84 saying that I did not follow the image policy correctly when I uploaded a picture. I've already left him a message asking what would be the proper way to go about that, but last night I uploaded another image in the same manner (the time difference meant I didn't get his message about my first image until this morning), so I'd like to nip any issues in the bud so I don't make the same mistake again. Please advise me.

Gotlvr87 (talk) 13:45, July 1, 2015 (UTC)

About a locked template
Hello there! Imry Florent's status is "Uncertain" and thus his deceased status from the family tree should be removed, sadly I cannot do it myself since you locked the template two years ago. Thanks! Viktoria Landers (talk) 21:08, July 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * Read his character page, he's given as "Uncertain" in his infobox there.  I assumed to just say he's dead too, but I got voted down.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:16, July 7, 2015 (UTC)

SDCC Header
Hey, I’m with the Wikia Community Development team. I added a temporary header to your homepage because of comic-con. I would’ve asked permission in advance, but we’re doing like a million of these and we don’t have time to ask everyone. You are totally welcome to delete it if you hate it and want it to die! This is completely temporary and we just wanted to keep it up over the long weekend. Wikia is having a presence at comic-con this year, and we’re gonna be covering stuff related to this wiki. We are thinking that some of your users might be interested in this coverage, and we want them to know that it exists. It would be really cool if you could let us keep this up through the end of SDCC on Sunday. - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 00:02, July 9, 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh no problem. In fact we're expecting new casting announcements out of the big GOT SDCC panel.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:12, July 9, 2015 (UTC)

User skirting IP bans
Hey TDD,

You'll need to open a ticket with community support by visiting Special:Contact page. They'll look into the issue and see if there's a solution. Please include the details you sent me on my talk page.

Knakveey (talk) 17:38, July 14, 2015 (UTC)

TDD,

Any luck with contacting community support? Is Gonzalo still being harassed?

Knakveey (talk) 23:52, July 16, 2015 (UTC

Ack, busy and didn't get to file complaint. Yes, he was on just this morning.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 04:43, July 17, 2015 (UTC)


 * Indeed, still being harassed on my talk page. Will lock it down for a while.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 04:53, July 17, 2015 (UTC)

i forgot to put a title on the talk page
couldn't it be argued that Loras is at least a bit clever for using tricks during the joust of for initially advising correctly Renly?

I had another question is it only the main characters who get a personality discription or do some recurring characters also apply?--

"Personality" is an outgrowth of the "Background" section, where we normally make general observations about characters. When that gets too big we split it off into its own section called "Personality".

Well, that's a separate question: define "main" characters. "Major recurring characters" tend to have more developed and nuanced personalities. But some characters are still kind of simplistic or too mysterious to detail (Eddard Stark, Robb Stark, Varys, etc.)

Again, we branch it off from the "Background" section so start writing there and see where it goes.

Second....no Loras is not particularly cunning, in the same sense that Eddard Stark was also a morally honorable soldier type; not, however, renowned for his cunning.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 04:48, July 17, 2015 (UTC)

It is as if CestWhat and Ch'vyalthan had a lovechild or something
Don't you think?--Gonzalo84 (talk) 04:55, July 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * Nah he's not that special.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 05:13, July 17, 2015 (UTC)

The Iron Bank
Do you think that's a spoiler? We're past the point where that happens in the novels and the Bank has already started funding Stannis. It was kind of dealt with in the series when the Bank started calling in loans and Cersei refused to meet their repayment terms. CorneliusAgrippa (talk) 20:23, July 20, 2015 (UTC)

...I don't know. Eh, put it back in.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:40, July 20, 2015 (UTC)

Theon's talk page
Hello, would you mind looking at Theon's talk page and review what i wrote about his age? Sorry about forgetting to sign it --Dannyjc80 (talk) 18:06, July 21, 2015 (UTC)

Psychotic/Psychopathic Usage {Gender and Sexuality}
Greetings!

Apologies if I present this wrongly; I am new to editing the wiki.

I have noticed a few times that the words "psychotic" and "pyschopathic" are used somewhat interchangeably around the wiki. They are actually quite different. As one source puts it:

"Psychosis is an umbrella term to describe the mental state of losing touch with reality. A number of things can cause psychosis, from schizophrenia to depression to sleep deprivation.

Psychopathy is a personality disorder which consists of a lack of empathy, impulsivity, recklessness, scrupulousness, callousness, and lying."

(Source)

I believe that the wrong term may be used on Gender and Sexuality, when discussing Joffrey in the section "Gender and Sexuality as adapted and depicted in the Game of Thrones TV series":

"It is in keeping with his trend from the novels of making outrageous and psychotically violent proclamations with little or no provocation (i.e. when starving war refugees come to the castle gates begging their king for food, he stands on the battlements and shoots several dead with his crossbow, insulted that they think him "a baker")."

I would be grateful for your review! Many Thanks.

Ruby Doomsday (talk) 18:41, July 23, 2015 (UTC)

Ack! Indeed, I meant "psychopathic" and not "psychotic"; I'm aware of the difference I just make typos in the adjective form.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:52, July 23, 2015 (UTC)

Perfect, thanks - sorry for the unneeded lecture! Really enjoyed reading the page. Ruby Doomsday (talk) 23:29, July 23, 2015 (UTC)

So someone messed up some pages
So someone screwed up a bunch of pages. I was wondering if I just clean them up, or wait for an admin to see and ban the people?

Thanks!

InGen Nate Kenny (talk) 20:23, August 4, 2015 (UTC)

Funeral scene being filmed at Castle Black?
According to these two articles there was a scene being filmed involving a large fire at "the location that has been used throughout the series to film the ceremonial burning of the dead", on the Castle Black set. Maybe Jon's funeral?

http://www.ibtimes.com/game-thrones-season-6-production-update-funeral-scene-castle-black-cerseis-revenge-2047595

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/game-of-thrones-season-6-do-these-set-photos-confirm-jon-snow-is-dead-10451374.html

 DRAEVAN13  16:59, August 13, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Quotes
I just wanted to let you know also here (more directly) about the problem with quotation marks. There are more spelling mistakes. For example in the Across the Narrow Sea section of "The Mountain and the Viper" article: Daenerys inquires whether, when a slave is castrated, the masters take "all of it"; both the "pillar" and the "stones." and a bit below that Gently correcting his vocabulary, she notes that she doesn't remember teaching him the word "precious." – Tadejp (talk) 15:49, August 14, 2015 (UTC)


 * I haven't reviewed every single line on the wiki, particularly in plot recaps; correct at your discretion.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:47, August 14, 2015 (UTC)

' "Discussion of earlier events in the novels and the use of non-spoiler background material from the novel as regards specific events, characters and places in the TV series are allowed (in the 'In the books' section of an article) but future events cannot be discussed." '

Terribly sorry if I made a cross over reference from a  book. All were guesses at best, as I had no idea there were books. It  took me three days, but I just finished watching Seasons 1 - 5  for the first time based on a recommdation of a friend. Great story.

Just wish to inform you of a user that is/will cause some trouble
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nezzer

He has added unnecessary CLEGANEBOWL videos, which I'm sure violates something, and has changed the page 'Bastardy' to 'Wedlock' which someone once did before that you had to correct and block them. He has done several other things as well.

I haven't seen anyone do something about this, so I thought I bring it to your attention. InGen Nate Kenny (talk) 02:22, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

I'll...try to handle it gently...--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:29, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

CLEGANEBOWL
Can I at least create a CLEGANEBOWL page? Many articles mention theories, so why not create articles solely for them like they do on the Wiki of Ice and Fire? I'm a GOT/ASOIAF theory specialist, so I can help you with that. And let's be real, something so fucking AWESOME like CLEGANEBOWL deserves it's own page, don't you think? \m/ o \m/ Nezzer (talk) 16:16, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry we don't really do fan theories on here the way AWOIAF does.

At most, I wouldn't stop you from making a threat in our new forums about it. --The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:50, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

Hostages
hello The Dragon Demands, I can see why you reverted my edit on the Hostage page, but can you at least indicate that Jon snow is dead so the page doesn't look outdated. Forgot to sign--Dannyjc80 (talk) 00:46, August 30, 2015 (UTC)

Theon Greyjoy

Shouldn't theon's near rape also be included in your rape section? It was probably just ramsay using scare tactics but it's such a horrid grueling scene--Scarlet


 * Yes, in fact I was discussing this in real life with someone else just yesterday; originally I think I just mentally condensed it with "Ramsay's torture of Theon in general" - which I do mention - but I should probably include that. Officially can't screencap it though, that was another reason; Wikia Staff told us they have a firm "no buttshots" policy.  Phrasing.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:44, September 3, 2015 (UTC)

Derek and Brant
Hi dragon, I noticed that the Derek and Brant (Night's Watch members who harrass Gilly and give Samwell a beatdown) articles are missing images. I would add them myself but I am away from home and I'm just on my iPad for now. I was wondering if you or someone else could take care of it, or else I can do it when I come back but that'll be end of the month. Let me know. Best wishes.

ZaxenEchoesOfTheTower (talk) 23:13, September 6, 2015 (UTC)

Recast characters category
The explanatory text is kinda long. Perhaps its time we make a "Recast characters" article (included in the production category as well as the eponynous one) and shorten the explanatory text.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 02:54, September 10, 2015 (UTC)

...yeah...more people will read it that way...--The Dragon Demands (talk) 03:12, September 10, 2015 (UTC)

Jazzing up the heraldry
Hey, I'm experimenting at the moment with making 3D heraldry for the wiki: Shields that actually look like shields, and have rusted iron rims, and a weathered wood grain look to them. This could eventually extend to banners that look like they're made of cloth, and maybe an actual flag pole that runs along the top of the infobox, so the banners look like they're hanging off it. What do you think? I've made an example on Roose Bolton's page if you could cast your eye over it quickly. Thanks.--Ser Patrek (talk) 13:52, September 10, 2015 (UTC)

Sounds fun, let's try it out. Don't use it as the "official" heraldry image, just the icons, though - some heraldry officially has a silver border and some does not; people might get confused.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:45, September 10, 2015 (UTC)


 * Cool - I'll put out some more examples. The shields will be uploaded under new file names, and will be stored in a new category - "Image (Shield Icons) to separate them from the old heraldry, which we may still have use for. And, of course, the actual infobox images need to be of the highest possible quality.--Ser Patrek (talk) 17:04, September 10, 2015 (UTC)

Balon Greyjoy
First off, I would like to thank you for allowing me to add those quotes to the Kinslaying article. My apologies for forgetting my manners when you did that. Is it possible that we could have Balon Greyjoy unlocked as well? I'm was thinking of adding some of the dialogue from the last episode he was in. Shaneymike (talk) 00:59, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

What? It's nothing about manners, the fault was mine.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:26, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

Email from actress
I just got this email from the actress who played Whore (Two Swords) and I'm wondering how we should approach this:

Hey Kevin, I was looking on some website called wikia game of thrones or something and i noticed that you created a page/ posted and uploaded one of my modelling photos to the site. I would really appreciate it if you were able to remove it. I am in the process of becoming a teacher and am trying to remove as much association with game of thrones as possible. Thank you in advance for anything you can do. When you google my name this is the only site that comes up with the game of thrones information on it. It is going to prevent me getting jobs in the future as well as getting into placements. Anything you can do would be really helpful. Please. Kristen

--Greater Good (talk) 12:47, September 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * While we should respect her wishes, I find it's kinda sad she's ashamed of being on the show :/  DRAEVAN13

13:09, September 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, to be fair, she does play a Whore, so you know, that isn't exactly something you want your boss to find when you're trying to get a teaching job. - InGen Nate Kenny (talk) 20:31, September 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * Well if an actor asks us to remove stuff my official stance has always been to remove it. But I'm confused:  an image of this actress was added to her article yesterday, yet now today she asks us to remove this info?  Er...how do we know this is her?  How did having her picture on this get her attention if so?...maybe because she said it's the first thing that comes up on google search.  But if so, why didn't she notice the page before there was an image on it?  Ack.  Well if we can confirm (through twitter or whatever) that this is indeed the actress, yeah, we'll switch it to "uncredited" so her name doesn't come up in google search.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:22, September 26, 2015 (UTC)

Apparently the actress sent in a DMCA license pulldown notice thing to Wikia itself -- I take this as proof that the e-mail was authentic. So now we'll delete everything she asked us to delete.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:05, September 29, 2015 (UTC)

I finished deleting everything and left a note about it on the Talk page for the character article. Given that it was a minor one-time appearance role with no speaking lines this is no big loss of information.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:10, September 29, 2015 (UTC)

Upgrading the infoboxes
I'd like to move forward with this over the weekend, if you're in agreement.--Ser Patrek (talk) 09:46, September 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, sure.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 14:00, September 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * Cool. As far as usage goes, I thought we could have colors for each of the Great Houses, and then everyone who lives in the kingdom ruled by that house would also use those colors: For example, members of House Whitehill would have Bolton colors, members of House Tarly would have Tyrell colors, and so on. Obvious exceptions would be the Starks, Tullys, Kingsguard, and Night's Watch... and any who are clearly major distinct factions in their own right. What do you think?--Ser Patrek (talk) 14:38, September 27, 2015 (UTC)

Well okay, but what about vassal Houses that have their own color scheme? Ah people would get too confused that Umber red was Lannister red, I see your point. We'll do it by faction allegiance just like the heraldry shields. I've seen other wikis that do this, it will be cool to have it on ours.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:05, September 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * That was my concern... there are so many that look the same. We can always add more at a later date if it becomes necessary.--Ser Patrek (talk) 06:50, September 28, 2015 (UTC)

New poll question?
I've noticed we've had this question for more than 3 months and request that it be changed. Perhaps something related to the Telltale game, such as 'Have you played the game?'. The featured article has been there for a while too, so maybe get that changed? - InGen Nate Kenny (talk) 20:03, September 27, 2015 (UTC)

Been thinking on it; possibly something to do with casting information.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:08, September 27, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Image takedown
You are welcome to keep the page if you would like. It's not copyrighted material, and it's all based on publicly-available information. I told her this as well when I replied saying I had removed the image, but wouldn't be removing the page. You are, of course, empowered to remove the page if you want to. I just wanted to make sure it was clear that you don't have to if you want to retain that information. - <font color="#1A2BBB">Brandon Rhea <font color="#1A2BBB">(talk) 17:05, September 29, 2015 (UTC)

Re: 1337wiki.com
Yikes! I'll let our ComSup team know. Thanks Dragon! Jorge (profile)•(talk) 20:40, October 5, 2015 (UTC)

Checking in part deux
Just wanted to say hello and check in :)

How are you?

P.s. You need to reallllly archive your page :P 00:37, October 7, 2015 (UTC)

I know, I know...--The Dragon Demands (talk) 13:50, October 7, 2015 (UTC)

Rewatch status
I just lost my HBO Go account. Rather, given that despite holding a Master's degree in medieval History I am an unemployed student, the relative that let my use their HBO Go password just canceled their account, leaving me without access. That's how I was watching the TV series since Season 2 began. Also I could never afford the Blu-ray sets so I don't have those either.

Enough clips are up on YouTube of one scene or another that this isn't a problem for now in terms of checking scenes - also I usually use hi-res screencap websites instead of making my own (unless I absolutely have to because they missed something that only briefly appears).

The only specific problem is that now I can't check the exact spelling they use for specific names by turning on the subtitles. Though there was nothing I needed to check now.

I already watched through all of the online "In-Episode Guide" features that they had the first three TV seasons and gathered all possible information and screencaps from them, so it's no loss that I no longer have access to those.

For now this is an inconvenience. In Season 6 it may mean I won't be able to work on an episode a matter of minutes after it airs, but to wait until it starts circulating around streaming websites.

I may have over 40,000 edits on a wiki devoted to this show but I was never able to afford the streaming services, HBO account, or Blu-ray sets.

We'll see what happens by next April...--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:42, October 7, 2015 (UTC)

Article about "scorpions"
Hello Dragon. I want to create an article about scorpions because I think, we need it! On the one hand, "scorpion" describes an animal that exists in the GOT-world and is also a part of the heraldic of House Quorgyle, and it's also a "siege weapon", we saw it during the "Battle of the Blackwater" on Davos' ship. A little bit explanation could be also necessary because the siege weapon called scorpion isn't well known in our days and some people could be confused when they read that "Meraxes" was killed during a scorpion in the eye. May I create an article? Or better two? --Exodianecross (talk) 14:48, October 25, 2015 (UTC)

No. "Scorpions" the siege weapon haven't been mentioned on-screen in the TV series. It is mentioned exactly once in an in the books section that Meraxes was killed by a scorpion. We only mention them in the Animals and Plants page. House Qorgyle's heraldry was barely visible and even if it wasn't it wouldn't matter. --The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:53, October 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * I understand, but the siege weapons called "scorpions" were visible on Davos' ship during the Battle of the Blackwater, and in the german dub they were described with the name! --Exodianecross (talk) 13:47, October 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * It wasn't mentioned in the original English dub, but even if it was, it's such a fleeting mention that it really wouldn't confuse anyone enough to make a new article on it.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 14:44, October 26, 2015 (UTC)