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Fenrir51 wrote: BigBadBruin343 wrote:

Sansa almost killed Jon and all of his men by not telling him that she sent a letter to Littlefinger. Her not telling Jon that she sent for help, caused the death of over 1,000 men. I wouldn't want to follow a person that is so stupid that she doesn't tell her "brother" that she's asked for renforcments, and that they should wait for a reply.

Bran has no leadership experience. Sure, he met with lords when Robb was in the South, but he's never led anybody. Jon has been an administrator while he was Lord Commander, and he's led men into battle. One of the big reasons that the Northmen declard Jon their king was becuase of his bravery on the battlefield, Bran can't even walk (or even continue the Stark bloodline, according to Ned, and you know, because he can't get it up). If the Northmen cared about who's a Stark and who's not, they would have made Sansa queen. But they made Jon king, by all the laws, Sansa should be Queen in the North, but they said "f*ck it".

I bring up Jon's mother because NO ONE OF NORTHERN BLOOD HAS SAT THE IRON THRONE. It think it's ignorent to think that the Northern lords automatically against Jon being on the Iron Throne because he's not a full Stark.

Jon is one of the few people that fought against the White Walkers, he's a leader and a warrior. Bran is a cripple, and Sansa is a girl that has ZERO leadership experence. Those are they're two fallbacks they have (well, maybe Arya, but she doesn't have any leadership experence either). If your a northren lord which these four choices (Jon, Sansa, Bran, Arya) do you go with?

Jon killed his men because he lost his head and charged at the enemy, by himself, like an idiot. Sansa not telling him that she's got reinforcements on the way does not exonerate Jon from doing what he did. Plus she DID warn him not to fight the battle straight away. You won't follow someone like Sansa, but you'll follow someone as reckless as Jon?

Bran has experience of ruling. That is leadership experience. He wasn't like Joffrey, Tommen or Robin Arryn who were puppets of their mothers or councillors. He personally saw to administrative problems in the North. Which is more than what Jon did. He was barely Lord Commander of the Night's Watch for one season, and he left a lot of paperwork in Samwell's hands. And yeah, I get that many paraplegics "can't get it up", but seriously, not all of them are infertile. It depends on the extent of the damage. And apparently that didn't stop Robb Stark, Maester Luwin and Ser Rodrik Cassel from recognizing Bran as the HEIR! And once again, they made Jon king because the THINK he's Ned's son, not just because he won the battle (with the HELP of the Vale)! Making Jon king over Sansa just shows how hypocritical they are because they all follow the same laws of succession for their own lordships. Do you think Lyanna Mormont would be chill if she had any male bastard siblings or cousins whom usurped her lordship of Bear Island because they had military backgrounds and she was just a kid? Hell no she wouldn't!

The Northerners want INDEPENDENCE from the Iron Throne. That's a fact! It's not ignorant to say otherwise. It is ignorant to think the Northerners would love for one of their own to sit on it. What would it do for them? Jon would just go away and rule the North as an absentee landlord. Just like all the other Targaryens did. The Iron Throne means jackshit to them.

I would choose Bran because a) he's the rightful lord by the laws of succession, so there's no excuse to fight a civil war over who the rightful one is. b) Bran is the only one amongst his siblings with ruling experience. Jon's just a soldier who wasn't even Lord Commander long enough to qualify leading a country. Bran was trained from boyhood to rule, even though he was a younger son, and he did very well to govern the North while Robb spent his whole reign fighting in the Riverlands. Ned expected Bran would rule some of Winterfell's minor holdfasts for Robb when he grew up. The execution of a Night's Watch deserter in the pilot episode was part of his education. c) Even though no other Northerners know this yet, Bran's a greenseer! Jon's just a resurrected warrior with a Valyrian Steel sword and can only do so much damage to the White Walkers. Bran's got enormous insight in to the White Walkers. He can see into the past and potentially re-discover the secret behind making Valyrian Steel. He might use his warging to possess Dany's dragons and torch most of the undead army and setback the course of the White Walkers mission. He could potentially be aware of plots and conspiracies before they happen, so the schemes of someone like Littlefinger will fail against someone like Bran. Sansa is just as responsible for those mens deaths as Jon is. If she had taken Littlefinger's offer, then the Northern lords would have seen Jon and Sansa as the winning side, and would have been able to rally more houses to their cause. Instead she outright rejects Littlefinger's offer, and then sends word to him without telling Jon, who would have waited to attack if he knew that there was a chance they'd get an army of over 10,000 MEN!

Bran didn't do a good job of ruling Winterfell (it fell when he ruled it), Luwin and Rodrick did. Bran looked board as sh*t would listening to the complaints of the Northern Lords, and didn't really do anything. And if Bran can't get it up, then he can't have sex, if he can't have sex, then he can't have kids. Last I checked no sex = no kids.

Sure, Bran is a greenseer, and that can be helpful, but the Northern Lords clearly want a person that is brave, and a great warrior, not a cripple.

And are you telling me, that the Northen Lords would rather just rule the North, and not all of Westeros? If Jon had a choice of lasts names, he'd go with Stark, not Targ. He has the North's best interests at heart. Why just rule half of the country, when they could basicly rule the whole thing?