User talk:Gonzalo84

Buffy Wiki
I haven't seen many active Admin's on the Buffy Wiki. Do you know of any? 03:29, January 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * Din's Fire... but nevermind... I'll make you admin there. My Buffy Wikibreak isn't over yet. --Gonzalo84 (talk) 03:32, January 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * Awwww yay!! Thanks :) BTW, what is the license template you use for actor images? 03:38, January 3, 2013 (UTC) P.S. I am re-watching the entire series now with my boyfriend- we started tonight with s1 ep-1-4 so I will be editing there more often I am sure :)

Complete Guide to Westeros
Your version was much closer to the original than mine, now that I know that you can do them that way the others will go faster. I thought you had to make them very different. The only apostrophe that I found that I hadn't put in was the one for "father's bed". I tried to check thoroughly, was that the only mistake? Should the photo of Theon with the direwolf have been put in the gallery rather than in the Season 1 section?Ch&#39;vyalthan (talk) 05:59, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, each Aerys should have been followed by an apostrophe. Darn, this time I really thought I had checked enough. Maybe I need to wait an hour, take a break and then reread. I'll try that. Ch&#39;vyalthan (talk) 06:01, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Buffy Wiki part deux
Ok, clarify for me... give me an example what you would write past tense and what you wouldn't... lol. Sorry, I can be slow at times. And don't sell yourself short, you still register roughly around 35-40thousand views/hits a day on the wiki :) That's really good! Ok, I won't mess with the pic licensing- I may  create a generic license statement though and put it on the community page somewhere. Just so we have it somewhere as a disclaimer, in case they do ever look. 16:08, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, I gotcha now :) Thanks. Oh, I also want you to consider making Ownerman an Admin. I've noticed he's made over 2,000 edits, and he really deserved it more than me. I think he could help me a lot while you are on hiatus. Just a thought :D -- 03:16, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Catagories
Yes, I did add some new houses to put people in the Catagories of the Houses that their information boxes said they owed alligence to. Most of these went into houses that had already been established, Stark and Lannister primarily. I think I did add three or four Houses, but then I went back and deleted two of them, because you said not to make catagories that had less than three entries. I think you mean that I didn't add them to the Houses Catagory. Thanks for the heads up, I will go and do so now.Ch&#39;vyalthan (talk) 04:42, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

I agree they are pointless, that is why I do a search and see how many articles are related and would be included in the Catagory, and I deleted the ones that didn't. I'm going through the whole list of vassel houses now. About half of the house catagories are linked to the Vassel House Catagory and houses of a particular region Catagory and half aren't. I was adding the ones that weren't. I think it would probably make more sense that way. I'm probably not explaining that right.Ch&#39;vyalthan (talk) 05:30, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I didn't catogize anyone under a name I'm just doing houses. Vassel House, House of the North, etc. what I was saying before was that instead of putting House Clegane (to use your example) into the Catagory of House Lannister, put it in the Catagory of House Clegane and then put that Catagory into the House Lannister. So when it's pressed you get all of the house articles together.Ch&#39;vyalthan (talk) 05:36, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, Category. It was actually auto correcting it that way. When it auto corrects I usually trust it better than my own judgement.Ch&#39;vyalthan (talk) 05:39, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Anyway, let me know what you think about adding the category of the house rather than the house itself. This way the article page would take you to the category of that house, and then the houses category page would take you the category page of the house it owes alligence to. What do you think?Ch&#39;vyalthan (talk) 05:42, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Winterfell Shepherd
I did add one line to this, about Theon giving the gold pouch to Dagmer, and I corrected it to say that they were "orphans" and that Dagmer had gone back to kill him and his "wife". And those lines were correct. I'm being more careful with grammar.

As for Cersei, I went to change it, but you had already done so. Ok, I see how the handmaiden's reference to Cersei was tangential, but Cersei's reference to Robert being an indifferent husband was relevant.Ch&#39;vyalthan (talk) 17:52, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Are you on tonight?
I was wondering if you were familiar with templates for references? I need help on another wiki I run. I am trying to set it up so that references will show at the bottom of the page, but having major issues. Thanks :) 03:02, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

In the books
"The series is called A Song of Ice and Fire, not "Song of Ice and Fire... please correct your modifications".--Gonzalo84 (talk) 22:02, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

That's exactly what I'm doing. I've been changing incorrect instances of "The" to "A". Not once have I changed it to just "Song of Ice and Fire". Please be more careful in the future, as this is the second time you've accused me of something I haven't done--The Bastard of Bolton (talk) 22:12, January 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * I know you're not making that mistake. If you understood that I'm sorry, I just wanted you to place the "A" inside the links. That's all. And thank you for improving my latest cleanup spree. Its greatly appreciated.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 22:15, January 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * I have been adding the "A" within the links in every instance that I've edited so far. And you're welcome. Of, course, I understand that honest mistakes are made.--The Bastard of Bolton (talk) 22:23, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Daenerys I Targaryen
Thanks, I will go and leave a note about it on the other wiki.Ch&#39;vyalthan (talk) 05:07, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Eddard and Catelyn
This is a work in progress; I only started writing it yesterday. I have not gotten to the point of proof-reading for commas yet. As for Brandon riding to his wedding, that is in the book, but I thought it was also in the Complete Guide to Westeros, which would make it canon. I will check. Yes, I have used the term "Crown Prince", but I will stop doing so. I am still making descisions about how much information about other characters to include. I will reread QueenBuffy's "Drogo and Daenerys" as a guide. Thank you for proofreading, I always appreciate constructive criticism.Ch&#39;vyalthan (talk) 06:23, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! I'm new at the forum, and still don't know how it work...

189.62.23.229 14:01, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Italics
Ok, I'll see how the other films were put in and do it the same way. Also, there needs to be a concensous for an apostrophe on a name ending in an "s". I put in an 's and had "s" taken out as unnecessary. Then when I removed one it was put back in. I looked it up on Wikipedia and apparently even the Supreme Court can't decide if the "s" is needed after the apostrophe on a name ending in "s".Ch&#39;vyalthan (talk) 04:56, January 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Words ending in "s" DO NOT add another possessive apostrophe-S. Never.  For example, "the daughter of Stannis" is written as "Stannis' daughter", NEVER "Stannis's daughter".  There is no debate.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 05:07, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

What you want me to do
Sorry I left this message on my page, but I'm not sure you got it. Do you want me to go through the whole Mentioned Character category and remove them all from the "Image Needed" category only, or from both the "Image Needed" and "Quote Needed" categories. I will be happy to take out the ones I put in and the one others put in, as well. Please just tell me which ones.Ch&#39;vyalthan (talk) 00:34, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

storm of swords book compilation

'''== I'm sorry. Spoilers from the novels, == '''

Quotes
I had that quote for Armeca so I added it in when I put took her out of the quote needed category. I have other quotes, but I'll wait until I finish and go back and add those in. Ch&#39;vyalthan (talk) 02:49, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

I think I've taken all the only mentioned characters out. I still think that a house sigil would be better than nothing. That's how it's done on the Family Trees on the major character pages. It would make the Characters category pages look better.

I checked for quotes, but didn't find many where a quote was put in, but the "Quote Needed" category hadn't been removed. I found a lot more characters that had spoken in the show, but didn't have quotes and weren't in the "Quote Needed" category. I didn't add them; I just made a list. I wasn't sure what the reaction would be if I started adding more people in than I was taking out. However, I'll be getting quotes for them or at least trying to in the next few days. Ch&#39;vyalthan (talk) 10:50, January 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * "Quote needed" isn't so bad as "Image needed", as theoretically, any character mentioned or referred to in dialogue can have a quote attributed to them. Things like "Luthor Tyrell", however, which you added "Quote Needed" to, SHOULD NOT AND CANNOT have a quote, because they're only known of from family trees. "Quote Needed" can broadly be used for anything mentioned in actual, on-screen dialogue, even by other people.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:57, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

I did not put "Luthor Tyrell" in the "Quote Needed" category, I only put him in the "Image Needed" category, and then took him out. I still think there could be the image of the House Sigil as there is in the Family Trees. It would make the Characters category page look better. I went through every character and there were only a couple of things I found that I had done wrong, such as putting Mace Tyrell in the "Quote Needed" category. He was one of only two season 3 people that already had a quote. I did find several people who had been given quotes, but had not then been removed from the category, and I took them out. I did find a couple of others not in a category they should have been in like the Lord of Bones. I also removed the image and quote needed categories that other people had put in, for characters only written about in books. I removed everyone who was only mentioned that I had added to the "Quote Needed" and "Image Needed" categories, as I had been instructed to do. I never added anyone who was only written about in a book to the "Quote Needed" category. I found lots of characters who actually spoke during the show or were spoken about who did not have quotes. I didn't add in more people to "Quote Needed", because of all the fuss, but I made a list and will try to get the quotes. If I can't find them or can't make out what they are saying or just get tired, I'll add them into the category and let someone else take a shot at it. About the Aggo page, I did catch that Rakharo was spelled with an "h" and thought I had changed it, but apparently something happened as it didn't publish the correction. Thanks for catching that. Ch&#39;vyalthan (talk) 21:15, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Thos charactes don't require sigil images on the infoboxes because they already have sigils by their names--Gonzalo84 (talk) 22:00, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Valyria
We need to differentiate articles with "Valyria" in the title, however I think having a disambiguation page (as the default link) isn't really necessary. What I think we should do is have "Valyria" redirect automatically to "Valyrian Freehold", as this is what is usually meant. A link to a disambiguation page can go on the top of this. Meanwhile, I think we should retitle the article on the specific capital city to "Old Valyria", to keep the titles distinct (and not without justification, as they've called it that at times). Other things aren't so ambiguous; "Valyrian peninsula", "Valyrian steel", and "the Doom of Valyria" won't really be confused with the ancient empire, though I would put them in the disambiguation page as "Valyria related topics".--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:55, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Smallfolk
I think soldiers should be in a separate category from smallfolk. Well, "Palla" is a smallfolk living in Winterfell, but actual guardsmen like Polliver should be in a "soldiers" category.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 05:11, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Can I edit
I was trying to edit and it won't let me. It is just like when I first joined and it would only let me edit in monobook. I edited War of Five King's. There were a lot of mistakes and I corrected them. Now it won't even let me check the edit history. I was working now on changing the word Harrenhall to Harrenhal. There is one in the "in the book" section of Old Gods and the New, but it won't let me change it. Am I not allowed to edit while my case is under review, because I need to rewrite my article that's in my sandbox. What about making a blog. Is that OK? Ch&#39;vyalthan (talk) 13:03, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

It is terribly frustrating having to work in monobook. Please let me know the rules about whether I am allowed to edit.Ch&#39;vyalthan (talk) 13:13, January 23, (UTC)

P.s. I had an idea that I told Dragon the other day. Can we get quotations for mentioned only in book sources characters out of A Complete Guide to Westeros? We do use it as canon for background information.Ch&#39;vyalthan (talk) 13:15, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

It's letting me edit again in wikia. If I can't edit I need to upload that list of all the characters that spoke or were spoken about into the "Quote Needed" category so someone else can do itCh&#39;vyalthan (talk) 13:37, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

War of Five Kings
Usually I never comment or question a revision by an admin, but my revision of War of Five King's was not a bad one. The word strength was misspelled twice in that article. It said that Stannis and Renly have "raise" their own armies instead of "raised". It didn't mention that Eddard had been named regent before being charged with treason. It said the Lannister forces "has" responded instead of "have". The name Greyjoy was misspelled. It said "on" the wake of Eddard's execution instead of "in" the wake. Your revision put all of these errors back into the article. These were actually things that were wrong that I corrected. Ch&#39;vyalthan (talk) 13:53, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

I edited War of Five King's again. Please, please read it and you will see that my edits are good.Ch&#39;vyalthan (talk) 14:21, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Quotes
I was going to continue with finding quotations, but then I realized that I may not be here in a week, and I have to wrap up all of my loose ends, just in case. I have this list of people that quotes exist for who still need them, but as I can't do it, I'll have to add them to the "Quote Needed" category. They have been checked, but I will go through and double check to be sure that they speak or are spoken about and do not currently have posted quotes. In fact I'll probably recheck the whole thing just to be sure. I'll make a note to Dragon so he doesn't think I've gone "insane" again. I like to visit actors Wikipedia pages, and, when I find a fact that is new, I jot it on a list. I have two loose leaf pages of notes. I have to input this stuff if a time is coming when I can't, so I'll have to stop looking for quotes, for now at least. I think quotes would be a good idea on every page, not just characters, but castles, cities objects etc. If it is decided that we can use The Complete Guide to Westeros for quotes, it would give us quotes for lots of people, institutions, events, eras, etc. It would make the wiki look really polished. I will check in with you before starting anything major.Ch&#39;vyalthan (talk) 16:54, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Unnamed
This is nearly empty. If it is a valid category, I'll add to it, if not I'll empty it so it disappears.Ch&#39;vyalthan (talk) 23:39, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

I've gone through the Characters category so often I'm seeing these people in my sleep. Hot pie and the Tickler are names, so I didn't include them in with the unnamed. I asked this once before, are the animals characters? The Three-eyed raven is in Characters, but the wolves aren't. The wolves have more right to be so, if they aren't, then the raven has to come out.Ch&#39;vyalthan (talk) 01:35, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Quotations around episodes
One of the things Dragon says I did consistently wrong was putting quotations around episodes. There are quotations around episodes throughout this wiki. In picture descriptions, in info boxes, in galleries, and even in references. I see them everywhere. I was going to start making the effort to remove them, but I'm not sure where to even start. Any advice?Ch&#39;vyalthan (talk) 06:23, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

P.s. I started doing searches on misspelled stuff and I've been able to find and remove a lot of weird stuff: Danerys, Barratheon, Mamoa, etc. Kit Harington's info box had the title "Kit Harrington".

When I'm less tired, I need to go through all the minor characters next as there are several uncredited extras in there who I think should be in the background category instead. Which leads to another question. There are several uncredited extras who are described as reoccurring background characters. Are they background characters or reoccurring characters? Or are they both? Ch&#39;vyalthan (talk) 06:27, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Progress
I think I've got the characters in the right categories, and I've burned through one page of my actor notes. Just to check before I do some thing, actors have a star category, but no categories for the others: minor characters and extras. I was going to make those. I have so much practice now that it shouldn't take that long. Also, I never got an answer on my question of the idea of getting quotes from The Complete Guide to Westeros. To clarify, I'm not going to do it, I was just asking if it was a possibility. I think it would be nice if every page started with a quote, as it really improves the appearance of the page. Have to go. iPad needs recharging. Still looking out for quotations around episodes, those really are everywhere. It will be a massive job to remove them all.Ch&#39;vyalthan (talk) 23:07, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, no more incidentals. Can I put in those actor categories when I come back?Ch&#39;vyalthan (talk) 23:17, January 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * First, yes, for future reference for other editors, I think the Complete Guide to Westeros is a good source of quotes, albeit, ones from the actual TV series are preferable - i.e. quotes about Ned Stark should be from the TV series, but if there is no other quote for "Valyria" etc., we'll use the Complete Guide as a second best. The idea being that not everyone bought the Blu Ray box or viewed the Complete Guide on youtube or whatever; we need to be geared towards casual viewers strictly watching only the 10 aired episodes. I didn't point this out sooner...because I don't want to encourage you to contribute to this wiki in any way whatsoever.
 * Second, Gonzalo84 already told you to stop making hour by hour "progress reports" touting how much wonderful work you've done...and instead, you might try doing "actual work".
 * Third, do you comprehend that there's a formal vote to have you banned from this wiki? What purpose is served by launching into a binge of work which you cannot possibly finish before next Tuesday when the final decision is made? Are you trying to finish all of this before next Tuesday, in the hopes that this will "sway our opinion" with your wonderful work? You're a walking disaster area and this wiki will only get back on track once you are removed.
 * Fourth, as I said on your own talk page....THESE were your character notes? Things you read off IMDB and Wikipedia? ANYONE could have done that.
 * Fifth, my heart leaps for joy inside whenever you announce that "my iPad needs recharging" because it means we get a few hours without the distraction of your editing. That, and you're still buffoonish enough to keep pleading "but I'm using an iPad!" as an excuse for either not loading images, or, stopping needed editing half-finished because you're out of charge.  These are "explanations" but not "excuses" ...in much the same sense that "I am lazy" would technically be an "explanation" but not an "excuse".  Seriously....do you think this wiki is about a TV series, and its thousands of viewers...or about you?  WE DON'T CARE WHY YOU'RE TURNING IN BAD WORK, only that you are.  Think objectively.  Your personal reasons for being physically unable to contribute as well as any other user SHOULD NOT AFFECT US.  There isn't some online anti-discrimination law against that....again, if someone came on here and said "I can only use a computer with a keyboard that has all the vowel-keys removed from the keyboard"...THAT WOULD NOT BE A LEGITIMATE EXCUSE.  So why should we care if you have an iPad, or if you're banging two rocks together?  All that matters is you're turning in bad work.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:30, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Major Characters
I didn't put Ygritte in minor characters, she was already there. I made her character supporting because of that. Talisa wasn't listed in either major or minor, but if Ygritte was minor having more screen time. I'll change them.Ch&#39;vyalthan (talk) 05:45, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

I am consulting the list on every character. Ygritte was listed as minor and Talisa wasn't there at all. I agree with you that it was something neglected some where along the line, but we caught it now. That's good. I'll change it.Ch&#39;vyalthan (talk) 05:48, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Actors
It will work with the categories you suggested. Starring cast, supporting cast, minor roles. I can fix it. Ch&#39;vyalthan (talk) 09:13, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

I had to fix this. I had a stomach ache and couldn't sleep until I did it. I put in the categories you said, except I used "Supporting Role" instead of "Supporting Cast", because I already had a bunch of people in there. I don't plan on making any more categories, I'll just put people into existing ones, but I had to fix this. I found a photo on Aimee Richardson's IMD'b entry. It's of Myrcella and Tommen looking in horror at something during the Hand's Tournament (Ser Hugh or Clegane's horse probably). I dont think it's on the wiki yet. I did good work today. I corrected several wrong facts, one in Fire and Blood that Ser Ilyn was the one that held up Eddard's head, and I added the reference list to Wolf and the Lion. And even though I started out doing the Actor categories wrong, I did fix them, and they exist now. Ch&#39;vyalthan (talk) 11:48, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Moving up banning timeline
There wouldn't be much point in waiting until Tuesday, except, that the other admins haven't commented yet. You already got The Bastard of Bolton's attention, but as for Admins, I've left notes for Werthead and QueenBuffy, they should get back to that in a day or two. (I also left a note for OPark77, but he's been on break from the wiki since November, so if the other three people weigh in but he hasn't, we probably shouldn't wait for him). But we at least need QueenBuffy and Werthead to weight in; this can't look like an "unfair" snap judgement done in a fit of pique. We can't have him running around saying we're unfair bullys. Rather, solemnly evaluating his record, he has to be formally rejected by this wiki's contributors.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:13, January 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * Indeed, that is the very reason why I didn't outright ban him.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 19:21, January 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * Were the decision mine (which it is not), I think that the "Eddard and Catelyn" article which Ch'Vyalthan has been working on for the past few weeks should be deleted out of hand; it would be easier to restart from scratch at a later date than put up with his nonsense. It would be a final proclamation that his work truly was useless. Moreover, he seems to be treating it as a parting shot to the wiki: "haha, you're banning me but I'm still determined to get that Eddard and Catelyn article uploaded" - working away at it for 22 hours straight even when he knows he's being banned. Destroy all Ch'Vyalthan touched.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:29, January 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * According to the Block Log, Ch'Vyalthan still has a ban with "with an expiry time of 1 year", and not permanent. Is it actually permanent?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:01, February 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ah, good then. It is officially a permanent ban.  And if for some reason due to wiki mechanics only setting one year bans at maximum (I'm not sure on that), even if he comes back in a year we just automatically re-apply the ban.
 * It is done then. In which case:  Heads, spikes, walls.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:21, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Bolton Template
I edited the Bolton template, removing Ramsay Snow as the heir, but now it simply says "" on the template, but when I go to edit it again, there is now "heir" in the edit page. Did I do something wrong? DRAEVAN13 00:50, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Kovarro
Hey, can you change something on AWOIAF? I don't have an account there. I need you to remove Kovarro from the "characters only in the TV series" category. As explained in the "in the books" section on Kovarro, he's not so much "new" as "renamed"; apparently because they thought "Jhago" sounded too much like "Khal Jhaqo", they renamed it "Kovarro"...and then switched the names and descriptions of Rakharo and Jhago/Kovarro. Thus while the book Jhago is younger and skilled with a whip, and book Rakharo is slightly older and skilled with a sword, "TV-Rakharo" is younger and skilled with a whip, and "TV-Jhago" (Kovarro) is slightly older and skilled with a sword. He's not really a "new" character, anymore than "Yara Greyjoy" was.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 03:11, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well yes he's more of an expy, but even the AWOIAF page interlinks by saying that "Rakharo in the TV series seems to be based on Jhago".--The Dragon Demands (talk) 12:23, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Summer Islands and Sothoroys
At the moment we have no confirmation that the Viewer's Guide map will be updated. Given that Dany has already reached the eastern-most-part of her journey (at Qarth, according to GRRM) and S3 will be spent in areas on the existing map, HBO may choose not to bother. In that case the TV show and books will simply have different maps, with Great Moraq and other places simply not existing in the TV show version of the world. Once S3 starts we should know for sure, and should hold fire on adding any Land of Ice and Fire locations until then (and then only what are shown on the TV show's map). --Werthead (talk) 12:59, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Permanent banning
Hi Gonzalo. Regarding your message to The Dragon Demands - to permanently ban someone from a wiki, you select "other time period" from the drop-down menu, and write "infinite" in the box below. Hope that helps.-- 11:11, February 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks man.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 15:30, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

Hi!
Hello, I am Daniel, I come from Merlin Wiki and as that show as ended I began watching Game of Thrones after my friends convinced him to and I could not have regretted it less! I have been hooked and now have to go through torture waiting for Season 3! ;) It is an amazing show, best TV show I've watched, it is so unique and original. This Wiki too is good but there is just one thing I must protest about, and that is the background for the form on the edit menu. I know I could easily edit this out in my personal CSS/JS, but it really is very difficult to read the text on top of it. Could you at least lighten it, or put a coating of colour or something over it? It doesn't even match the background, I can what it's getting at and the concept is nice, but it is an eyesore with the text on top!

Also have you considered more customisation and JS featyres for your Wiki, such as custom skins for your buttons and toolbars, a "jump to top" button (this can all be found on the developer Wiki), an auto-refresh for your Wiki activity.. just to list a few. I hope to talk again!

Daniel

Hello
thnx for the warm welcome and the explanations given.

This wiki looks great!

MIGR (talk) 09:13, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

House navboxes
Shouldn't Great Houses like the Starks or Lannisters have their own current House navbox at the bottom of the page, for ease of navigation?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:24, February 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Wait, I see: yes the bottom half about "Sworn Houses" becomes redundant, but the stuff about family, heirs, and titles is still needed; we should keep the "Stark navbox" etc. while removing the redundant info.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:28, February 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree. I'll modify the infoboxes.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 18:10, February 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:13, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

Vandals and Layout
Dragon Demands has been promoted. We had a significant vandal attack yesterday, but fortunately I was online at the time and able to stop it in its tracks, so yes, this is going to be a problem. I don't really see any option other than to clean up and lock any articles that are targetted in particular. As for the background, I agree but it's going to be difficult to find a good way of using the new S3 artwork on the wiki. Some of the American newspapers are using a version where the shadow of the dragon falls across the text of their actual articles, but I'm not sure if that would work here, or if it would look too weird if it did (plus it would mean changing the colour scheme of the whole wiki).--Werthead (talk) 15:09, February 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Wikia Staff is going to create a new layout for us. :) 18:10, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

Colour scheme
I like the backdrop, but it isn't meshing well with the wiki colour scheme. Ironically, the new colour scheme we've just adopted on the I&F Wikia actually might be a better match for this background. Otherwise perhaps increasing transparency, so the dragon shadow is more visible? At the moment it looks a bit odd.--Werthead (talk) 20:56, February 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree the image needs to be a tad bit smaller so that we can make out that the shadow is indeed a dragon. Also, the section headings are still red/gold...as well as the visual box is still showing the crown. I will message the Joe from Wikia about it. :) 22:01, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Stannis
Great! I will check on it, if you haven't already. 02:00, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

Stannis Image
I think I'm going to wait and see what HBO releases as it's newest still of Stannis. The screencap you uploaded seemed a bit green in hue/tint. :) There's no rush. 19:43, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

Contest
I wanted to let you (and the other admins) know that the Create Your House contest is currently live. I am going to put a link to it in the main page slider (hope you don't mind). I will keep you guys updated on judging and prizes.

Also, speaking of slider, there is currently a link to Westeros.org. Would you mind if we change that link to go to Wikia's A Song of Ice and Fire Wiki? Let me know and thank you.  PORTERFIELD  02:23, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * We would vehemently mind. The entire point of Game of Thrones wiki is that the A Wiki of Ice and fire crowd from Westeros.or co-opted THE wiki about the TV show before it even started, leaving the pissant Wikia A Song of Ice and Fire wiki to wither on the vine.  No, do not change the links.  Burden not Columbia with your chaff.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:01, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

User name
I have to say, I'm a little offended by user Taint Maggot's name. What do you think we could do about this, if anything? 07:30, March 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't know... how did we get "The Bastard of Bolton" to change his name and become "The Boy Who..."--Gonzalo84 (talk) 15:14, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think the staff came to him. I will bring this to them however. It's quite the vile name. Thank you. 15:37, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Name...
I'd prefer to meet you in chat and tell you there, if that's ok? 19:28, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

"I'm sure I am missing something because of the whole "not native english-speaker" thing, but I'd like to understand the offensive thing about Maggot's username. Is it a slur?Gonzalo84 (talk) 19:11, March 7, 2013 (UTC)"


 * It's gross and it is offending to me. I'm sure it may be to others. If "Bastard of Bolton" was made to be changed, than I am sure the staff won't look too kindly at "Taint". That word coupled with "maggot" is nasty and I'm sort of appalled that you are defending it. I've already brought it to the staff, so it's their say. No need to defend it again. 20:10, March 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh I'm not defending it, I personally banned him out of hand simply for choosing such an offensive name. Oh I see what you mean: the above "I understand your concern" bit was just about shooting Gonazalo84 a message on his Talk page, explaining why this is a grotesque username (instead of waiting around for chat): even though "cunt" is a word on the TV show, I'd still ban anyone who used it as part of their username (Ch'Vyalthan had the odd habit of not wanting to repeat curse words used in-dialogue, instead going out of his way to make awkward phrases to get around it; it was kind of labored).--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:13, March 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh, I was wondering! lol And I explained to him in chat. I'm going to go ahead and remove the explanation- even that sounds gross lol. 20:17, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Characters significantly changed
CestWhat is starting to argue against the very concept of comparing books to TV adaptations so I'm going to ask your opinions on this: I think my section on Robb/Talisa/Catelyn was a bit too acerbic and negative, though I don't have time to rewrite it now. Are there other things you feel need to be changed? I'm looking for a specific list of things which need to be fixed. CestWhat seems upset by the Osha/Asha/Yara stuff, though I've posted a link to a WiC news post which pretty much sums up the whole thing anyway. CestWhat opposes making the basic comment that "Asha is a more significant character than Osha so it's curious why they'd change Asha's name and not the wildling's name, but maybe they just didn't realize this at first because Asha wasn't in season 1". I am a WikiDragon, not a WikiKnight. We do what needs to be done.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 05:07, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

Robb Pic
I know you are a right to like or not like whatever pic, but I prefer the other family tree picture for Robb Stark I used. I liked it because it show how light brown his hair colour is. CestWhat (talk) 16:21, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

Alayaya
In "Lord Snow" in the scene where Catelyn first meets Littlefinger, is the dark-skinned prostitute sitting behind him supposed to be Alayaya?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:14, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Opposition
Would you be opposed if I banned CestWhat? For 1 - pervasive and unrepentant spelling errors, 2 - pestering the Admins (particularly during a very busy time), 3 - linking to a youtube clip. I increasingly look to the strict standards of the Mass Effect Wiki, and realize that if they can maintain such high editing standards, why can't we?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:38, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

Portal
Oh sure. Do we have a new image of Stannis yet? I'm pretty sure I uploaded a new Jon image in the cast portal, but I will double check when I get home later. 18:32, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ooo, that is nice! I will change it in a couple of hours :) 19:32, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Check it out. Added Stannis and put Mance instead of Davos :) 18:09, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * I can sure work on it now :) 00:06, March 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * Done! :) 00:20, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

If Mance Rayder is going to have his own cast portal image on the front page, perhaps his slot in the slider should be changed to Slaver's Bay? It's an entirely new and important setting in the series (I really hope no TV-first fans were paying close attention to details about Qarth; they're going to spend quite a few seasons in Slaver's Bay).--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:15, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

Race infobox
I was inspired by Wookiepedia to make a Race template, now that Season 3 is going to start introducing things. Non-human races are so rare that I felt it was better to make a "Race" template as a catch-all applied to different "races" as in "cultures" - i.e. both "Giants" and "Dornishmen" (and a "Type" entry on the box indicates if they are "Human" or "Non-Human"). Things like the Valyrians would be "Extinct" (are the old-style Rhoynar "extinct"?, strictly speaking)? However I've run into problems with it on the "Giants" page; it keeps including the entire article in the infobox.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:45, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

Servants of Darkness
Do you think Servants of Darkness should have their own page? There wouldn't be much bio on them and I figured they'd mostly be written about in the article, but thought I'd ask :) 03:34, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, no I wasn't- I was thinking about it earlier when watching the episode again- thought I'd ask :) 03:37, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * The image of her is an actual HBO promotional image. Is there one of her from the episode? 06:01, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the promo images are always great. Good quality :) 07:49, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

chat
Do you have time for a quick chat? 23:19, April 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Me too. 23:26, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

CestWhat
CestWhat destroyed what little chance she had for coming back onto this wiki; rather than complain and ask for leniency, she proceeded to make a series of dummy accounts and continued to edit under them. ...rather stupidly, she continued to work on things which only CestWhat was working on; character quote templates, family tree templates, etc. Oddly, she didn't just make one dummy account but multiple accounts depending on what task she was doing at the moment, i.e. "Quotabe characters" for quotes, or "PicsPics" for photos, etc. But the nail in the coffin was over on Wikia: I wrote her a warning on her Talk page there to go away and stop harassing us on other wikis. She used one of her dummy accounts, "PicsPics" to remove the message...apparently not realizing this tipped me off that they were one and the same. Complaining for leniency was one thing, but making multiple dummy-accounts to circumvent a ban crosses the line: now there is no doubt it must be a permanent ban, beyond all hope of appeal, and any new account she makes will be deleted on sight.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:09, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

Re: New Images
I have categorized them. I did it right after I uploaded them. I forgot 3x03 in File:Greizhen mo Ullhor.jpg. Sorry for that --Mesmermann (talk) 07:33, April 15, 2013 (UTC)

Spare time we don't have.
I know we don't really have "spare" time, but if you happen to find some, I could use some help going through these uncategorized files and either delete them, or categorize them properly. I figured if we all do a little here and there, they will eventually get finished :) Special:UncategorizedFiles 20:14, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Uncategorized images
It's done and I added also permission to them. If there is more of my picture who isn't categorized or their missing permisson on more of my picture, please let me know. I will remember to categorize and add permission to my pictures in the future. --Mesmermann (talk) 07:55, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Marei
Thanks and done Marei --Mesmermann (talk) 20:18, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Images for S3E4
I posted a couple of images for Clegane, Beric, the Sack of Astapor, Joffrey, and Varys. Most of the articles dont have text so i did not put em anywhere, but put them where you see fit if you can. Im off for the night :P Noc noc... whos their? Darknesssss (talk) 06:05, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

WTF is going on with starks
So bouth in books and in tv series please spoil for me, are Starks done? are they totaly eliminated or going to be eliminated from the series? what does books say? im so pissed off that starks are dieying by pathetic deaths.

Scare Cr0w (talk) 18:26, April 22, 2013 (UTC)Scare Cr0w   (Loyal member of Stark Family)

Yarnu
Oh wow. It means Wikia has blocked them Wikia-wide. I wonder if that was a Cestwhat sockpocket or a user that was complained about on another page? 19:12, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry
Hey, I just noticed that you deleted the image. I wasn't aware that the particular wiki I took the image from was using fan-made content. I'm sorry. Viktoria Landers (talk) 20:58, April 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * Hmm... Judging by the image I found in that wiki, I don't expect mine to be much different since it matched the sigil's description.. right? Viktoria Landers (talk) 21:18, April 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for you help, I hope everything is fine now :-) Viktoria Landers (talk) 23:29, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Cleanup
Done. With almost 300 instances of that wayward period, I can see why it was such an annoyance!
 * http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/xraydeltaone/images/b/b2/Siggy4.png @ (profile)•(talk)•(email) 17:23, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

Durrandon vs Durrendon
Crud. Apparently, Elio "Ran" Garcia of Westeros.org confirmed that the name is actually "Durrendon" -- apparently centuries of linguistic/name drift turned the "House of Durran" into "House Durrendon" with an "e". http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Talk:House_Durrendon -- however, the talk page does not cite where Elio said this.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:35, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

Battle Infobox
Hi! As you've noticed, whenever I edit a battle infobox the name of the battle disappears from the template. You corrected that on the War on Conquest page, but I just edited the Last Storm page and the same thing happened. How do I correct that? Thanks! Ravenclaw999 (talk) 19:32, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

Guest cast page
Regarding it's hasty deletion; Are you serious? It had legitimate information, and whilst I concede it wasn't as neat as other pages, it was a few short edits away from being fine. Can you explain your decision further?


 * I agreed with the decision to delete it. We are overburdened and understaffed, barely keeping up with new information from Season 3.  We don't need the distraction now of...needlessly creating a chart of Guest Cast appearances.  I mean...to what purpose is that?  It's like memorizing baseball statistics.  We don't need accurate numerical lists of how many episodes each cast member appeared in; we need prose paragraphs in character biographies describing what they actually did in those articles.  Otherwise it's just a glorified IMDB cast list.  Theoretically, one might not even have watched the damned episode to create such a list, just looked at the credits.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 12:45, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

My Wikia App
Hello. My name is Nic and I'm from the Community Development Team. As you may or may not have heard, we recently released an application called My Wikia. We are hoping to bring this app to the attention of more people and for this reason could use some cooperation with this Wiki. We are hoping that you will allow us to display this Template in the upper-right hand column on your wiki. If you are fine with us displaying this, please let me know. Thanks. - Wagnike2 (talk) 14:24, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

What do you mean?
I don't know what you mean with the last message. What subtitles did I alter? I've read the books. Can you please explain so I can understand and not make the same mistake (if I made one?) --Mesmermann (talk) 18:03, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * I can't remember that, i'm sorry for that. Yes, i know the event. I'm teasing my friends about something big is gonna happend soon. I can't wait to get the reactions from them. But i've tight lips--Mesmermann (talk) 12:01, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

I checked another 2 or 3 major character articles to make sure before editing but in any case all of the pages on here have 1 main quote at the top of the page before the character bio, so what is wrong? I made sure to change the episode link the quote in Edmure Tully's page too. Celtic-Oranje

Quick question: How would one use another name / appositive for a character (such as "Khaleesi" or "Red woman") and still have it link back to that character's page on the wiki?

Back from Britain
I'm back from my week-long trip to Britain. I hope things haven't gotten too out of hand. I barely managed to watch episodes 6 and 7 before I left, but not compose summaries for them; now I need to watch episode 8. I'll cleanup what I can. Amazing that new users come on here and yell about "why isn't the Jorah Mormont page properly categorized?!" when 1 - we don't have basic summaries written for some episodes or main character pages need to be updated, and 2 - anyone can add categories to a page, and it actually took longer to complain than to do it themselves. Well, I'm back, so it's time to start cracking heads. We have little time to prepare for episode 9, probably the biggest night this wiki will ever experience. I hope all of the locked pages will hold.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:54, May 30, 2013 (UTC)


 * Side-note: I saw a production of The Tempest at the reconstructed Globe theater in London, starring Roger Allam as Prospero. I've never seen The Tempest before: did you take your username from Gonzalo, Prospero's faithful advisor?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:55, May 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, Gonzalo is my middle name
 * Ah. Funny how things synch up like that.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:35, May 31, 2013 (UTC)

Protect?
Hi. I was wondering if it might be an idea to put up some level of protection on the Season 4 page. I noticed a couple of days ago that someone had added a Stoneheart reference, which could very likely be added again with upcoming events. Just an idea.R achel P  06:31, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

You banned me the day I joined the Wiki because I had "sworn to house Greyjoy" in the wrong tab, so instead of helping a new member of the Wiki learn the ropes, you felt it was appropriate to ban me for a month. Cut the "welcome" crap and never post anything on my talk page again.

You banned me the day I joined this Wiki because I had "sworn to House Greyjoy" in the wrong tab. Instead of helping a new member of the Wiki you opted to ban me for a month. Cut the "welcome" crap buddy and never post anything on my Talk Page again.

Unlock The Rains of Castamere (episode)
Will you please unlock the page then episode aires, so we can contribute to the site. --Mesmermann (talk) 20:12, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

Blog comment deletion
I was wondering if you could delete a book-spoiler comment a anonymous user made on my blog "To those who wonder if Robb is really dead..."? In response to one of user Lily!'s comments he/she talks about Catelyn and the Brotherhood Without Banners. DRAEVAN13 13:19, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

Roose's image
His main image/slider pic is now changed Ser Gonzalo! :) 03:13, June 4, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Block reasons
Man I'm soory =/ I didn't quite know what you were saying by "categorizing new images", but I did a research and I know now... I will put the categories from now on and on all the images I have uploaded already--KIWIBOλ (talk) 16:02, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

Danys profile photo?
Could a cropped version of this photo be used as a picture to her infobox?--Mesmermann (talk) 16:59, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * That photo is kind of dark.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:03, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

Please stop reverting my edits without an explanation
Hey! Could you please stop reverting my edits to the Daenerys Targaryen page? I've tried adding a better infobox photo several times, but you keep reverting my edits. The photo that is now on Dany's page is lacking in quality, which is why I'm trying to add a better one, as well as one that is from a more recent episode. What am I doing wrong? It seems silly to stop my work for no reason. Lionheartedcat (talk) 22:04, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Lets just keep the infobox image the way it is. With Dany in the blue cloak. It's an HBO promo image and very recent. I don't particularly like arguing and back and forth when it comes to infobox images. Let's just put the other image in her gallery page. 22:15, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually I like the one Gonzalo updated it with. It's also part of a promo image and it's a closer image of her face. :) 22:18, June 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * They are both promo photos from HBO, all episode stills are. And the one I was trying to add from 3x09 is more recent, and a closer image of her face, so I don't understand your reasons. But you are the mods here, and it's your wiki, so if you don't like it, of course I'll listen to you. I was just trying to improve the page. Please remember to leave an explanation when you revert an edit though :) Lionheartedcat (talk) 22:26, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

You were given reasons in the edit summaries. Stop putting in new images just because they are the most recent. We're going for "most iconic" for the current season as a whole. No, we don't need one zoomed-in on her face, that's too close. An image should show some of a character's costume as well. The last version you wanted to add was too dark, from a night scene, and was such a closely cropped headshot that we couldn't see her costume well.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:43, June 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * I added recent images because that's what's standard. I haven't seen any rules on this wiki that says otherwise, which is why I didn't understand why you reverted my edits. I've seen screencaps used as infobox photos that are not iconic at all, and are zoomed in on their faces as well. I think you've got me confused with someone else. What night scene? The latest photo I tried to add was a light photo from 3x09, and was not at all closely cropped. I'll stop updating infobox photos from now on, as I'm afraid I'll do something wrong again. Lionheartedcat (talk) 22:54, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * You do a good job Lionhearted, I'm not sure which is the pic that was originally there now. And yes, I agree it usually is very standard to add the most recent/updated image to a character. Can you send me to my talk page which image you were trying to post to the infobox? 23:15, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Brackets on names
I see. Though it says nothing about that in the guidelines (at least not that I noticed). Also, it is not an obvious indication of a character being dead at all, especially since this wiki is aimed at the viewers of the show and not the readers of the books. But I'll keep this detail in mind if I happen to come across other stuff in articles that (to me) looks like an editing blunder.--Abonbon 14:57, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

typo will will on season 4 front page
Hi Gonzalo84, Susan Ae here. Are you aware that on the front page, written for season 4, there is a typo that is: will will. I don't see any way to remove it with the editor. Of course it needs to be fixed!! I'm mostly a proofreader around here! Susan Ae (talk) 01:35, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

Sppook
I suspected that Pierre Sund might be CestWhat, but there's records of him editing on True Blood Wiki over a year ago, so I guess that's not another sockpuppet. Sppook, on the other hand, is displaying several classic signs of CestWhat: 1- No prior record of editing on other wikis, 2 - Editing family tree templates and navboxes, and 3 - Making certain needless redirects like "Lady Barbary Ryswell", including the "Lady" title. I'm going to ban Sppook, unless proven otherwise.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:34, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

Family tree updates
I'm trying to update the family trees, and I've loosely figured out how (after screwing around with some, or reverse-engineering them from other similar but pre-existing trees). The reason I was encouraged to do this is when I tried to explain to a friend who the Martells were, and I said "you know, Myrcella got engaged to their youngest son" but she didn't remember that had happened back in early season 2.

The TV show hasn't introduced as many families and extended members, so that helps. In which case, family trees which need updating include:


 * House Lannister - I added Trystane Martell, linking him to Myrcella with the dashed line we use for betrothal/romantic links. I'm also adding Margaery Tyrell next to Joffrey. I need to find pictures for Myrcella and Tommen, probably from "What is Dead May Never Die".
 * Joanna and Steffon Lannister - these are established characters in the TV show even if their father is not yet; however I don't want the main Lannister tree to get cluttered (it is already very full) - so I think we should do what AWOIAF does, which is make a separate template which only appears on Joanna and Steffon's pages.
 * I want to add Ygritte to the House Stark template with a dotted romantic link to Jon, on the grounds that 1 - it is a major relationship in the show, and 2 - while not stated in the TV show, according to wildling custom, Jon is technically married to Ygritte.
 * House Tyrell - Bryan Cogman has officially established that Margaery is actually older than Loras in the TV version, due to the actress' age, though fundamentally in such a patriarchal society this doesn't affect things that much (either way Margaery is behind any brothers in line of succession). So I'm simply going to flip the order of Margaery and Loras.
 * House Karstark - slightly more complicated in that I think the TV show renamed one son who was "Eddard" in the books so viewers wouldn't get confused; not sure if youngest brother appeared yet. Either way, good to get started on that.
 * House Baratheon - has become badly cluttered, one of the more challenging ones to fix up. I was always opposed to adding three separate entries for Stannis' stillborn sons when a single box would have sufficed. But more importantly, the manner of handling Robert's bastard children isn't working - it needlessly forces Cersei's children down a full row, so only Robert's bastards appear on the second row. It's a drastic waste of space.
 * House Frey - wow...where to even start? The difficulty is compounded by the fact that not all of the Freys have been established within the TV series. I'll put this last on the list as it will be very difficult.
 * I think I'm going to throw together a small family tree for Hodor and Old Nan if I have the time.
 * How should we handle a family tree for House Florent? They're a large family but not all members have been established, but even in a simplified version we weren't provided with the names of Selyse' parents in TV continuity. We'd really only need to show that Alester and Ryam and Rylene are siblings, that Melessa is daughter of Alester, while Selyse and Imry are children of Ryam. I'll mock up a simplified TV version to test this out.
 * I think we should just avoid making a placeholder House Martell tree given that so few members have been identified in the TV series so far, and because in just a few weeks we'll get casting information which will confirm them.

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:58, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

Given how much space it took up relative to its usefulness, I've removed Mhaegen and Barra from the Baratheon family tree; it introduced an entire second tier and just made more problems than it was worth; my solution will be to make a separate family tree for "Robert Baratheon's bastards", much as there are sub-trees for House Lannister. This doesn't outright "remove" Mhaegen and Barra, actually, as they are included under the umbrella terms "various women" and "various bastards"--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:34, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

I'm finished with the Florent family tree; thus it is now open to revision if you think there are any problems with it. As you can see my solution to the problem of Selyse's three stillborn sons was to make one combined box instead of three separate ones; that ended up pushing Shireen off of the visible part of the tree (visible without expanding it) taking up too much space relative to their importance (stillborns, who didn't even die in infancy, who have little impact on the plot). We'll discuss this further on the Baratheon family tree, which is the last family tree I'm going to work on (as I said, I'm going to hold off on doing House Martell because we'll be hearing castings news sooner instead of later).--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:14, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

And the Freys; yeah, the ones left are the Baratheons and the Freys. I also gave up on the idea of making a Hodor-Old Nan one because it involves far too many unnamed characters.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:17, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

I am officially finished. I updated the Baratheon tree; it was too confusing when it ran on three lines; now it needs to expand left-right but at least it doesn't need to expand left-right AND up-down anymore. My solution was to make a separate tree for "Robert's bastards" but I don't know if it's worth having.

Meanwhile, I added Black Walder to the Frey tree. Otherwise, I've decided it's not worth getting upset over the Frey tree and I'm giving up on it until Season 4. I would be willing to put the time in to make family tree templates from the book continuity, but the TV show hasn't introduced MANY of the intermediary Frey characters we'd need to connect them all -- particularly that new swath of minor Frey girls that appeared in "The Rains of Castamere". So I leave it to anyone else who wants to take a try at it. Now that I am done, please point out any problems you have with the family trees I updated.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:31, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

Desmond Crakehall
Why did you deleted the Desmond Crakehall?

Marco dubrovnik (talk) 23:20, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I will fill the other categories, but can you help me with that also :)

Marco dubrovnik (talk) 23:45, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

How can I add in the main Mhysa page of episode the character Lord Desmond Crakehall near Maro Drobnic?

Marco dubrovnik (talk) 23:52, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

CestWhat
We need to be more active in dealing with CestWhat. First, I don't know how to contact Wikia to get her account removed on all wikis everywhere, but it is absurd that her account name "CestWhat" isn't banned on all wikis, such as the Downton Abbey Wiki.

She seems obsessed with screwing with our templates; a problem is that even the "advanced recent changes" tab doesn't display actual changes to templates.

The only other discouragement I have is to systematically delete anything she's touched, even productive things, to discourage her from coming back here. We can't keep letting this problem fester, we need professional help from Wikia to get a wide-range IP address block. We have to show CestWhat that we have her by the balls. Then we break the balls.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 06:38, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

Was this CestWhat? User:Mdreyes1228. CestWhat's accounts were usually banned globally by Wikia, when you look at "Contributions". We need to figure out what CestWhat's geographic location was, it will help with IP range blocks to prevent new accounts.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:13, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

Jorah's infobox
I was wondering.. If Daario and Selmy both have the Targaryen sigil on their boxes, should we add one on Jora's too? KIWIBOλ (talk) 14:04, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

Ok then xD  KIWIBOλ (talk) 23:49, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

Osmund Kettleblack
On further review, I think we should have a page for Osmund Kettleblack as a Kingsguard, based on the same logic that we used for stating that Balon Swann is a current Kingsguard. With Jaime in the Riverlans and Arys Oakheart in Dorne, there were only five Kingsguard in the capital - then Sandor abandoned the city after the Battle of the Blackwater, leaving only four Kingsguard physically in the city. These would logically have to be Meryn, Boros, Preston, and Osmund - and we see four Kingsguard when Tywin comes to see Joffrey on the Iron Throne.

In the books this is slightly more complicated of course - Tyrion dismisses Boros, so they raise Boros to replace him, but then when Mandon Moore and Sandor are removed, that leaves two vacancies, so Tywin simply reinstates Boros to fill the spot left by Sandor.

Meanwhile, Loras is of course rewarded with Mandon's position on the Kingsguard in the books, but hasn't done this (yet) in the TV series due to the need for Loras to take the place of Willas as a potential marriage opportunity for Cersei.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 03:36, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Heraldry
I decided to start off an article on Heraldry.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:31, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Your comments would be appreciated
User:Draevan13 does not think I should be an Administrator. I do apologize for being overburdened this past June from Season 3, CestWhat's sockpuppet attacks, and some real-life career problems. Nonetheless I stand by my firm stance on those unwilling to play nice and contribute like the rest of us. Please give your honest feelings on the matter here:

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Werthead#Regarding_Dragon_Demands

If nothing else I think it might be a good idea to promote additional Administrators, specifically Mesmermann and Greater Good. --The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:05, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

Blog with massive spoilers!
User Tezinkendrick just posted a blog which contains many character deaths for season 4 and beyond, just thought you should know. DRAEVAN13 13:21, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

Rickon Season 3
Hey, just letting you know that the Rickon Stark page is out-of-date, lacking anything from Season 3. It's also locked. If you will unlock it or at least give me permission to edit it, I will update it. Thanks. TheUnknown285 (talk) 18:52, September 3, 2013 (UTC)

Mya Stone
What with all of these Vale characters being cast lately, I hope Mya Stone somehow finds her way into the show. Basically the three "important" bastards of Robert were Edric Storm, Gendry, and Mya Stone. Edric they just folded into Gendry, perhaps to increase Gendry's importance as "the" bastard son of Robert...but a daughter isn't ahead of Gendry in line of succession (though that doesn't matter with bastards). I was confused - even in the books, they treat Edric Storm as really important, even though it's almost an open secret that Robert has an older bastard daughter in the Vale - he outright threatened to bring her to the capital once during a fight with Cersei. Logically, Cersei knew that Mya existed...in which case, why did Cersei make no attempt to kill Mya? All of the attention was focused on Edric. I guess a bastard son counts more than a bastard daughter. Also weird is that I'm not sure if Mya was ever "officially" acknowledged, but it was such an open secret that she was Robert's that she openly uses the surname "Stone" without fear of legal reprimand. Doesn't matter.

I'm starting up the semester again so my ability to contribute may be sporadic at times.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:32, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

Possible Vandal
This anon made several edits to the Katie Creaven article that are either a case of vandalism or not knowing how to make edits. Just letting you know. Thanks. TheUnknown285 (talk) 14:22, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

Infobox organization
The infobox for "organization" seems to have some problems; on the page for "Citadel" the word "center" is strange -- the "r" is cut off and appears on the following line (which is bizarre, given that other, longer words don't do this in the same infobox). I am unsure of what is wrong.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:34, October 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * Fixed.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 17:49, October 4, 2013 (UTC)

"Sunfyre"
I don't have an account on AWOIAF so it would help if you can check this out: some guy named "RumHam" recently came onto it and claimed the name of Aegon II's dragon (which we've never known before) is "Sunfyre". He didn't offer a citation and I have no idea where he's getting this. Please ask. It doesn't strike me that he knows what the heck he's talking about, given that he also speculated that the Last Dragon was actually Sunfyre, "maimed during the Dance"....when the Last Dragon was physically too small to ride, with a skull only the size of a large dog's - in contrast, Aegon II was able to actually ride his dragon into combat. No amount of "maiming" could do this.

On a related note, he also claimed that the "Hammer of the Waters" that the Children of the Forest used to create the Neck "was an Anti-Andal move, not First Men" when it was BLATANTLY done during the original Children-First Men wars. Please address this. --The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:37, October 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * The thing is I'm not an admin at AWOIAF.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 06:18, October 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * You don't need to be; I meant just raise the question of where the citation for "Sunfyre" (and the Moat Cailin thing) comes from on the "Talk" page there, just to get the attention of the other regulars, and they'll set that to rights. --- actually you've already done what I hoped: Thanks, that should draw attention to the problem.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 07:04, October 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * Turns out he was reading a spoiler thread in the forum made by "Lord Varys", confirmed to be taken from notes that Lord Varys took at a GRRM live-reading.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 04:04, November 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * Do you have the link?--Gonzalo84 (talk) 21:30, November 1, 2013 (UTC)

There were two forum links but the more spoilery one is here: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/98906-the-princess-and-the-queen-spoilers/

I have attempted to "narrativize" info from disparate sources into a single account of the Dance of the Dragons, given here: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:The_Dragon_Demands/The_History_of_House_Targaryen._Part_IV:_The_Dance_of_the_Dragons

Seriously, I can see how Martin started getting carried away by the Dance: it's this entirely new storyline on the scale of the War of the Five Kings or Tales of Dunk and Egg which he's barely tapped into before. I sincerely hope that they adapt this into a spinoff TV series after the main series is ended.

I often worry about that: after Season 8 we'll be out of a job, unless HBO continues to make adaptations. And they have said they are seriously considering making Tales of Dunk and Egg prequels, it's just that they physically cannot film the prequels at the same time, too much work.

Speaking of which, I know that Martin has said he'll never make a spinoff presenting Robert's Rebellion in chronological order - the main books gradually peel back the layers as they advance and reveal so many flashbacks that it would be redundant.

The TV series, on the other hand, hasn't used actual flashbacks, only descriptions. I've seen those Tumblr fan-castings for Robert's Rebellion-era "Young Robert" and "Young Ned".

It means we get to keep our jobs if we've got TEN seasons worth of new seasons and prequels to look forward to.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:38, November 1, 2013 (UTC)

See also "Talk:Meraxes"--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:39, November 1, 2013 (UTC)

Page protection
Hi, I was wondering why so many pages are locked? Ned Stark, Roose Bolton, Littlefinger etc. I wrote about it on Ned Stark talk page and asked someone to do the edits for me but there was no reply. So please, if you protect pages from common users, could you at least respond to editing requests? --Martell (talk) 14:50, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

We need to start unlocking all of those pages, we keep putting it off.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 14:58, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I spent an hour removing all of the full "Administrator-only" Protection locks...well, I left maybe 4 or 5 in place, but the obvious ones relating to the end of Book 4.

Initially I locked them because CestWhat was vandalizing any page that had family tree information on it. It would be an arduous task to individually lock ALL of the family tree templates (including infoboxes), but we need to get to that...eventually...

Well, hopefully this will lead to activity picking up on the wiki. Many pages I fully removed all protection, even "protection from new and anonymous users" in the hope that this will stimulate new editing. If it becomes a problem again we can just semi-protect them again.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:52, November 26, 2013 (UTC)