User talk:Raylan13

Site Merge
Yes, we are trying to integrate the video game better into navigation (I did personally put it in the top navbar, alongside the main TV series seasons). Our front page redesign is due for overhaul and yes we'll feature it more prominently.

" After discussing it with the lead admin over there, a tentative agreement has been reached that would result in the merging of that site into this one."

....however, ser, I did check out the other wiki: http://ttgot.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:3068

You didn't "discuss" this with the Admins over there and they were just as reluctant as we were.

This merge could have been handled better.

We were actually already discussing the idea of promoting up someone who focuses on the video game to Administrator status on here anyway, so this merge idea would actually dovetail with that very well.

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:GoTWiki_Small_Council_meeting_4:_GoT_video_game_by_Telltale#Conclusion


 * 1) - Redirecting any future attempts at making a Telltale Video Game Wiki to this wiki instead would prevent overlap, yes.
 * 2) - We're getting around 300,000 daily site hits in the off-season, and that went up to around 3 million in Season 4.  The video game wiki crew would gain a massive amount of exposure from this, making a merge beneficial.
 * 3) - This is of course not a merger of equals:  they are gaining more than we are by being let into our playhouse.
 * 4) - Had I known that Jakest123 started a video game wiki four months ago (I was unaware it existed until this moment) I would have independently offered a merger of some kind, instead of dividing our efforts.
 * 5) - We generally have a "hands off" approach to the video game content anyway (we don't play it, though we've tried watching it on the Youtube), letting contributors come on here and update articles about its characters as they think best.
 * 6) - Our standing decision was to make separate articles on characters in both, i.e. a separate "Tyrion Lannister (Tellatale)" article (that's how Walking Dead does it).  So that would actually prevent overlap.
 * 7) - We would make the founder of the game wiki, Jakest123, an Administrator (though not a Bureaucrat).  Trying not to hand out Administratorships lightly.  He would be the one Admin for the game materials (though everything overlaps and the current Admins will gladly help out when possible).  The other Admins he appointed over on their wiki have (in one case) under 200 edits, and another guy, under 50.  It is unreasonable to ask that they also be made into Administrators over here based on such little work (though I do look forward to working with them as active regular contributors).  Combined with our help on here, there's no need for more than one video game Administrator (at present at least).
 * 8) - There is no physical/technical way I am aware of to make someone "Administrator of the Telltale articles" - we'd make Jakest123 an Administrator, and on his verbal agreement, he'd just promise to focus on video game articles (just as another Admin might be "the image file guy").  But that's just personal preference.
 * 9) Our templates and such are, in general, better set up than what they have. I do not mean that as a boast.  We'd port over the "raw information" from their wiki and work it into our template setup -- though obviously, their articles will have different subsections due to video game content (Their character pages include kill counts).  Though if they want to make new templates we'd help them out with that.

Now I'm worried this sounds like it comes off as harsh. Actually, I'm utterly sympathetic to Jakest123's concerns. I genuinely wish we'd known about their efforts sooner so we could have planned this out better.

But I think this is an exciting opportunity.

So in summary, the counter-proposal is:


 * Copy-paste content from the Telltale Games wiki's character pages into our own -- that is, Jakest123 takes a look at our "House Forrester" page and his own, and tries to combine the best bits.
 * All of this would work under our themes and for the most part our templates - though we were already making special templates for "House Forrester" or "Video game content" etc.
 * We are redesigning the front page as Season 5 nears and we would make the video game sub-section/sub-portal more prominent. Need help setting up an actual nav portal.  I was already incorporating it into our top navbar.
 * We were already discussing promoting up an Administrator to (unofficially officially) focus on the game content. Due to the other wiki being only four months old, and the small number of Admins on here (we're not Wookiepedia), I'd suggest promoting up their founder Jakest123 to Administrator status on here, and he'd oversee the subportal wiki-within-a-wiki.  I don't think that merits Bureaucratship.
 * We generally have a hands-off approach to video game content so Jakest123 would pretty much have free reign on articles categorized as "Telltale" (we have one or two points about stylistic/spelling standards and the like, but nothing major - it's all kind of intuitive).
 * Overlap is something of a problem: as I said, we decided "Tyrion (Telltale)" is a separate page...They wouldn't re-invent Tyrion's core biography, but focus on his actions in the game...what about locations in both?  Well I guess "King's Landing (Telltale)" would focus on "King's Landing the actual game level", not rehashing the summary we have already.  We can discuss this.
 * As the guy (in theory) putting the most work into the game sub-pages, Jakest123 would be the official liason with first pick on all exciting cross-promotional events by Telltale with the wiki, i.e. the Fan Studio. In theory, if Telltale wanted to have some kind of Electronic Entertainment Expo panel on the game, and wanted a wiki representative on a fan panel, Jakest123 would officially be the guy sent to it.  Jakest123 and the current set of contributors on the nascent game wiki would massively benefit from being incorporated into this wiki, moreover, due to our 300,000+ daily site traffic (which will go up around 3 million in Season 5).

I think this plan would be massively beneficial to the editors on the game wiki, and help us out with workload. I understand their concerns about content, etc. I'm also really worried that this sounds like me laying down the law -- again, I really have a hands-off approach to the video game articles on here already. I mean we "have" them, but the Admins weren't really picking over them because we didn't play the game and didn't know enough to even review the content.

In short: if you shut down the other wiki and redirect to here, we can work towards setting up a game sub-portal on GoTWiki. We will make Jakest123 an Administrator to focus on the Telltale games subdivision - and he gets to ride the proverbial gravy-train. Win-win situation.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 06:16, February 18, 2015 (UTC)